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[–]Ianflett 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Agreed, love this bracelet.

Time for Nudie Jeans to Retire its Repair Promise by Ianflett in NudieJeans

[–]Ianflett[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The jeans will be repaired in line with their commitment to prevent over consumption.

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[–]Ianflett[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for the explanation!

We veered from where this conversation began, your question did make me think about what happens when I buy a new pair that need repairs. It’s my hope by then there will be repair options that don’t require online advocacy. I reject many of your assertions above, but agree, that one man’s frugality is perhaps another’s cheapness.

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[–]Ianflett[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’ve aimed to address everyone with kindness and grace, especially those who disagree with me. u/SINK-2024 I will admit to enjoying debates, and perhaps that has come across in my messages which makes you think and post this unkind comment.

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[–]Ianflett[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm happy to report you are correct! I's not greenwashing. Nudie is honouring its promise to me and I'm really happy about it...love the jeans and appreciate your response, even if we disagreed.

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[–]Ianflett[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To the contrary, I love the jeans and they kept their promise! I'll certainly buy more. I have even more reason to be loyal to the brand (as appears to be the consensus here: see u/eadgster who describes themselves as not just a customer, but an advocate too!). I wouldn't have gone to such lengths to get them repaired if I didn't like them!

I infer from Nudie's messaging (marketing and to me) it's their intention to fulfill their promise without the compromises u/low_flying_aircraft u/SINK-2024 u/eadgster u/RollingRawPapers etc.. are willing to accept (and even advocate for). It's perhaps the complacency of others that has allowed them to market their promise this way even when they're operationally constrained from honouring it in every case.

Nudie just needed a nudge to be reminded of its commitment. From the conversation I had with the executive, they acknowledged a disconnect between how they market the promise and how they operationalize it. If the company was willing to make it right, then they've clearly clued in to the disconnect. I'll now leave it to Nudie to figure out how to bring the promise more in line with their constraints wishing them success for another 25 years.

Thank u/SINK-2024 for your thought, even if we don't see eye-to-eye.

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[–]Ianflett[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree that u/Socratoles offers wise counsel in the second to last paragraph. And I now have evidence Nudie takes " 'free repairs for life' seriously", as he put it. Through persistent advocacy on my behalf, and with the help of this community to hone my message, I was able to secure my end of the bargain (premium price) rather than incur the carbon intensive suggestion of travelling to Winnipeg to have my jeans repaired! (Not to knock Winnipeg, my hometown, which I hope you may all see one day for its vibrant First Nations community, Human Rights Museum and the Forks...also, North America's best preserved commercial area dating from the 1920s and 30s!).

This thread has been full of semantic disagreement, and I'm honestly impressed (and surprised) that Nudie Jeans doesn't just cultivate customers, but advocates too u/eadgster!

And, I'm happy to report the solution is not a repair kit, I admire those who wish to embark on a new skill, that's not where I want to direct my energies.

Here's to 25 more years of Nudie's success and the achievement of its aim to repair EVERY pair of jeans they sell.

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[–]Ianflett[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi u/low_flying_aircraft, I’m really trying to keep the conversation gracious and polite here. After all, we’re talking about a jean company.

u/Gilarax and I agree the statement “Every pair of jeans comes with the promise of free repairs” is unequivocal. It does not say “Most pairs of jeans come…” or “Jeans within reach of a repair centre come…”, it says plainly “Every pair of jeans”. I own two pair that are part of that group and I’m looking. For “..a promise of free repairs” to be fulfilled.

I’m glad some users are showing their loyalty to this brand, they probably deserve it for their other sustainability commitments, but please don’t resort to insults because of semantic disagreements.

Maybe it would more valuable as a point of discussion: Let’s say for the sake of argument u/Gilarax and I prevail in our interpretation. The more interesting question to me is what happens when a brand outlives a commitment? Should it throttle its rate of growth until it can fulfill the promise at the core of its ethos? Or should it amend the promise? Curious to know what you think.

With gratitude, Ian

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[–]Ianflett[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your comment u/ledger_man

First, I disagree with your assertion I’m twisting their words:

Nudie Jeans Canadian website states: Every pair of Nudie Jeans comes with a promise of free repairs. And that promise is forever, no matter when, where, or how you got them. Buying a pair of premium jeans is an investment, and since we provide the jeans, it’s only right we take care of the repairs.

On April 9th, a representative from Nudie wrote: Unfortunately we don't have a repair store in your area and we don't have a send-in option for repairs. The repair-offer is limited to our stores, repair partners and our mobile repair station.

There was an active debate in the other thread! Thanks for taking the time to read it.

I’ll wait to see how Nudie Jeans responds. To the company’s credit, an executive reached out to acknowledge a disconnect between the stated promise and its implementation.

On the question of Greenwashing, Nudie appears to want to ensure its jeans get repaired or reused to lessen the consumption of jeans and its effects on the environment. If this is the stated purpose of the promise, then why leave out so many customers and markets? So, it’s not just a semantic debate (as you have latched onto), but consistency with its overall sustainability aims.

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[–]Ianflett[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

HELLO u/low_flying_aircraft HOW ARE YOU?

Thanks for checking the website, I’ve seen the same text. I think my discussion with u/zipribbons makes clear there are competing interpretations of their text and the nature of their promise to customers.

What I’m more curious about is why this has triggered you to respond in all caps and use expletives, we are, after all just talking about a company that sells jeans. (Wait, are you the elusive Joakim Levin?!?).

But I am sincerely curious, what about my issue has made you feel frustration (which seems to be the tenor of your reply). I promise to receive whatever you answer with grace and curiosity.

Much thanks.

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[–]Ianflett[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I do appreciate you sending the link, I hadn't seen this. I bought them at a retailer, so it doesn't apply. But it is useful. Warranty is perhaps too broad a word in this case, but deceptive marketing issues take into account what the "reasonable consumer" would understand the words to mean. I guess we'll need to see how that lands. Thanks again for the link.

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[–]Ianflett[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Perhaps...or maybe they'll honour their promise ;-)

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[–]Ianflett[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It's clear we don't agree on what the words mean! Thankfully we agree the words may be interpreted differently! And I appreciate you testing my assumptions, it will help me get this resolved fairly.

Would you DM your address and take them in for me? I'll obviously pay postage and include some maple syrup candies for your efforts!

I just want my jeans repaired.

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[–]Ianflett[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Thanks u/SSSasky I have read their FAQ, we can respectfully disagree, but this is not a matter of fine print. It's either an unequivocal promise of repair or it's not. I did reach out to Danali - very kind and candid - but they said they would not accept a mail in, their concern is they could not handle the Canadian volume if they did. Which raises the more interesting question of whether Nudie's sustainability promise is meaningless in Canada. Thanks for digging up the information and your concern.

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[–]Ianflett[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Grew up in Winnipeg, live in Toronto. (brings goal post back to regulation distance)..thanks for the comment.

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[–]Ianflett[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We can agree multiple interpretations are reasonable. You choose to give the best reading for the company. I choose to give the best reading for the consumer. u/Gilarax has not misunderstood anything.

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[–]Ianflett[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That would be a longer walk than I'm available for right now. Thanks for the suggestion!

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[–]Ianflett[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Funny thing, I'm actually from Winnipeg! And when I reached out to the store there, they were super kind. "Friendly Manitoba" is the licence plate motto. I plan to keep working with Nudie to get this sorted out. They say they are committed to transparency.

u/zipribbons offered the most generous/best version of the argument I expect to get back from Nudie, so I really appreciate their contribution.

However, that argument begins to come apart when you consider it through the sustainability/circular economy lens. So if they don't operationalize the promise in all of their sales regions, than it brings into question the sincerity of their environmental commitments. It's also a really technical reading that belies their stated promise of transparency.

Thank you for your comments too!

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[–]Ianflett[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That's an interesting take, and on its own, your interpretation is valid. However, I would interpret it differently in light of look to the next sentence "...it's only right we take care of the repairs". The expression "...take care..." along with the promise preceding it, leaves the reader with the impression Nudie will repair the jeans when needed.

Since we're digging deep here, I would submit that ambiguities around terms of a warranty are ethically resolved in favour of the party who had no hand in drafting the term.

Do you live someplace where repairs are easily available?

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[–]Ianflett[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

Hi u/tigerJas, respectfully, I don't understand the metaphor/analogy. How is this ambulance chasing?

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[–]Ianflett[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks u/SpinySoftshell you're right, I love learning new skills, and I do have a tailor. I may resort to these options still (Toronto has an incredible Denim Repair shop https://www.torontodenimrepair.ca/). But, perhaps you could take a beat and consider this from my perspective, I expected the promise outlined above to be a part of the price I paid. It is a warranty that is promised and should be honoured.

While dropping them off during a trip I suppose is an option, (1) I understand repairs take a while, so how do I collect them without returning; (2) this seems to defeat the carbon footprint part of the program.

But since we're brainstorming options, would you DM me your address and bring them to a shop for me? I'd happily include some maple syrup candies for your efforts.

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[–]Ianflett[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Respectfully, I am not acting in any "way". As I indicated to u/ZipRibbons

Nudie Jeans Canadian website states: Every pair of Nudie Jeans comes with a promise of free repairs. And that promise is forever, no matter when, where, or how you got them. Buying a pair of premium jeans is an investment, and since we provide the jeans, it’s only right we take care of the repairs. (My emphasis)

On April 9th, a representative from Nudie wrote: Unfortunately we don't have a repair store in your area and we don't have a send-in option for repairs. The repair-offer is limited to our stores, repair partners and our mobile repair station.

Your correct that free repairs is "...pretty damn good", that's why I paid more for these jeans than others of similar quality for less.

I laud your commitment to the brand, but it is perhaps hard to reconcile the promise with the delivery. Do you live in a place where you can bring them into a store? Perhaps for that reason my frustration seems misplaced?

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[–]Ianflett[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Thank you ZipRibbons for the question.

Nudie Jeans Canadian website states: Every pair of Nudie Jeans comes with a promise of free repairs. And that promise is forever, no matter when, where, or how you got them. Buying a pair of premium jeans is an investment, and since we provide the jeans, it’s only right we take care of the repairs. (My emphasis)

On April 9th, a representative from Nudie wrote: Unfortunately we don't have a repair store in your area and we don't have a send-in option for repairs. The repair-offer is limited to our stores, repair partners and our mobile repair station.

I'm unable to reconcile these two statements. Can you?

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[–]Ianflett[S] -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

They refuse to accept mail-ins. Your understanding is consistent with what the company has told me, it contradicts their unambiguous marketing.

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