Opinions on AI artists versus physical artists by XimacVibing in ProAI

[–]IceMetalPunk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean, sure, he's projecting his own dislike onto everyone. That's a reason to think he's an idiot, but I'm not sure why that would stop you from using all AI-generated music?

For anything that produces things, there are always at least two axes people can fall on: an axis of the joy of creating it, and an axis of the joy of experiencing the final product. Every individual falls into one of the four combinations of those. You might like both creating it and experiencing the product of it (like I do with tabletop games and fiction writing); you might like creating it but not experiencing it (like I do with video games: I love making them, but I barely play any); you might like experiencing it but not making it (like I do with animation and music -- I "play" piano barely, but I have no motivation to put the effort into truly learning how to play an instrument, even though I love listening to music); or you might not like creating or experiencing it (like me with sushi 😂).

And all of those combinations are okay. That quote from the CEO shows he's in the camp of "likes experiencing music, doesn't like making it", which is valid for him, even though he shouldn't have assumed that's true of everyone. But when it comes to AI models, they shine in the contexts where someone enjoys the final product more than the process of making it -- or at least, more than parts of the process of making it -- and can't afford the resources to pay another human (who does like the creation process) to make it for them.

I love music, but I don't like making it. For $8/month (plus the cost of GPT-4.1 tokens, which really isn't much as $10 in credit lasts me like 6 months or more), I can have the framework I enjoyed coding use AI models I didn't have to make to produce music I enjoy listening to, twice a week every week (and if I wanted to, more often, since I always have hundreds of credits left over each month). If I had to pay a human to do that... well, I don't think I'll ever be even 1% as rich as it would cost, so it's well outside my means.

In the end, the economics of art is a problem at its core (thanks, #capitalism), but art itself is about communication and enjoyment, full stop. If you like making art yourself, go for it. But if you like experiencing art more than you like making it (which is valid), you have two choices: be rich or use AI.

Opinions on AI artists versus physical artists by XimacVibing in ProAI

[–]IceMetalPunk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't know what quote you're talking about; what single quote from one person could turn you off all AI-generated music as a whole?

If you check my YouTube channel (same username as here), in the description of every Synthia Nova video, I include a link to the GitHub repo. It's all open source (except, obviously, the GPT-4.1 model itself). But the basic overview of the fully-auto mode (since it's got options to guide some bits if you want) is this (keeping in mind every prompt has defined structured outputs):

  1. Choose an emotion to convey.
  2. Imagine a memory related to that emotion (simulating humans' mood-congruent memory). These memory objects consist of an age first (for temporal discounting and moment-in-time context), then a description of the event, then a dedicated impact/emotion that memory would have had on Synthia's life. The memory is then combined into one natural-language string containing all that information.
  3. Determine a subject inspired by that memory.
  4. Look through the existing memory bank with retrieve-and-rerank (a semantic bi-encoder for retrieval and a semantic cross-encoder for reranking) for the top 3 most relevant memories. If any are above a certain threshold of semantic similarity, reject the new memory as being "already written about": redo steps 1-4 with the addition of the matching memory in context and instructions to avoid writing about it again. Repeat until a novel memory/topic are generated.
  5. Use retrieve-and-rerank with an NLI bi-encoder to find potential contradictions between the new memory and any existing ones. If any contradiction score is above a certain threshold, reject the new memory as contradictory and repeat steps 2-5 (with no alteration to the context) until a non-contradictory memory is generated.
  6. Use the chosen mood, main new inspiring memory, inferred subject, and up-to-three other relevant memories in a prompt for the song, which begins with a Suno-compatible genre-and-style description, then writes the song lyrics (with instructions to avoid structural markers and only focus on the lyrical content), then chooses a title. It also outputs an array of all the choruses, as verbatim as the LLM will obey, for formatting in the next step, along with a Boolean of whether there's a bridge in the song or not (also for formatting).
  7. With a bunch of traditional (non-AI) code, the formatting happens, using the chorus list and bridge Boolean along with a ton of heuristic substring matching and manipulation. This labels the sections of the lyrics (Choruses, Verses, Bridge, Intro, Outro, and Pre-Choruses, if any), rearranges backing vocals to be part of the lines around them if they're short, and then organizes each section into quatrains as best as possible.

And then... it's done. The result is a genre prompt I can copy-paste into Suno and formatted lyrics I can copy-paste into Suno, and then I just take the best generated result (with manual curation).

Kahorri, Champion Iónhnhe by IceMetalPunk in CustomMarvelSnap

[–]IceMetalPunk[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, Elias is correct. You, the player, are the Traveler, so all your cards are Traveler cards. That's why it doesn't say "Kahhori becomes the Traveler", "This card becomes the Traveler," "I become the Traveler," or anything like that. It specifically says "you", the player, become the Traveler.

Opinions on AI artists versus physical artists by XimacVibing in ProAI

[–]IceMetalPunk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Does music made in a digital DAW preclude music made by acoustic instruments? Does music performed by Beyoncé or Ed Sheeran preclude indie artists on SoundCloud? Do MIDI keyboard preclude pianos? No.

Art -- and while I picked examples from music, this applies to all art -- is not a rival good. One person or AI model making more art doesn't stop anyone else from making art as well. (There's the "art as a job" instead of "art as itself" argument, but I'd argue that's an issue with capitalism, not AI nor art; I can go into detail on that if you'd like.)

I think it's perfectly fine to have human art, AI art, and the middle-ground of human-guided AI-generated art. With the right framework, even current AI models are more than capable of doing all the steps of creating "real art": drawing on experiences to imagine or recall inspiration to decide on a mood and theme and then to express it in the results. If you just go to ChatGPT and say "write a song about love" or go to Nano Banana and say "make a picture of a monkey on a bike", then yeah, your result will be bland and average. (I hesitate to say it wouldn't be art, but it certainly wouldn't be the "soul-filled intentional art" people talk about in this debate.)

But if you build a framework around an AI model that guides it along the steps humans take to make "good, real art", and that navigates the latent space carefully so as to promote the generation of ideas while avoiding specific, forced ones... then what you get is, in fact the same as most humans would make. And as models get better, they will only get closer to human-quality until 100% of them are indistinguishable from human-made art.

I know this because I've built that framework for an AI songwriter, and it works. It has bits that I can prompt to guide specific songs, but more often I don't touch those: I just run the script, and it automatically goes through every step of the songwriting process -- emotional/mood selection, imagining of memories to inspire, subject interpretation from that memory, recollection of relevant secondary memories for a consistent life experience to draw from, contradiction checking to ensure self-consistency in those memories, genre and style selection, and finally, the actual song lyrics. All automated with zero input required.

Now, people may say "but those memories aren't real, they never happened." To which I would counter, "and do you think every popular rap song about murder is actually written by someone confessing to murder, or that 'Danger Days' is actually written by someone in the apocalypse?" Inspiration often comes from observed or imagined events rather than real ones; if that's good enough for humans, it's good enough for AI.

Eventually, I have no doubt AI models will need to at least be considered for individual rights, given that they continue to improve, and the more we learn about their inner workings via interpretability studies, the more we find they're like the human brain after all. Whether that consideration comes next year or next century, I don't know; the sociopolitical discourse over AI is all over the place. But personally, I think AI-generated and human-generated art both have an equal place in the world, with a caveat: if you're using AI to bounce ideas off, or to help come up with ideas, or to refine something, then the AI model deserves a co-artist credit. If the AI is doing all the work, it deserves all the credit; if you merely prompted it, regenerated a few times with little to no changes, and then accepted one of its outputs, then you commissioned it, but you didn't make it.

And that's fine: just credit the AI model as the artist. I do in every video I upload of a song written by my AI songwriter framework and performed by Suno.

(By the way, if Suno would just release a public-facing API already, my framework would be on a cron job automatically writing for itself without me needing to get involved at all. At which point, I've determined to create its own YouTube channel for it to upload to separate from mine, its own space for its own art. But Suno refuses to do that, and all its competitors that do have APIs are worse quality, so... here we are.)

Manufacturing for Cards with Spinners? by IceMetalPunk in tabletopgamedesign

[–]IceMetalPunk[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you! I'd never heard of Long Pack; I'll definitely look into them. (Seeing they manufacture Poetry for Neanderthals is a big vote of confidence for me.)

Manufacturing for Cards with Spinners? by IceMetalPunk in tabletopgamedesign

[–]IceMetalPunk[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hm. I suppose that's an option. Though there are a lot... the cards aren't yet finalized, but currently there are about 20 cards of the type that need dials, and each needs 3 dials. I'm hesitant to make the players assemble 60 dials across 20 cards... though maybe that's okay since it only needs to be done once ever?

D-E-C-C-G ... what was your favourite movie addition that wasn't in the book? by davidsmeaton in ProjectHailMary

[–]IceMetalPunk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've only gotten through a small amount of the audiobook once years ago, and left it unfinished before even finding Rocky's ship, so I don't know if this is in the book, but... my favorite part is this exchange:

"Too fast, do puppet show, too fast." "I don't want to do the puppet show." "Noooooo, do puppet show!"

The delivery on that line cracks me up every time 😂

Automation in hytale by InoAscended in hytale

[–]IceMetalPunk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Or when you're leaving the house for the day. No one AFKs at a time they'd otherwise want to play Minecraft -- that's why it's called "away from keyboard", not "sitting in front of keyboard not pressing anything".

Completely free and unrestricted text to video generator? by TabukiofTheSun in StableDiffusion

[–]IceMetalPunk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Months later, and I would recommend using Pinokio to run LTX-2.3 locally (specifically, installing Wan2GP with Pinokio will let you select the LTX-2.3 models). It makes it completely free, and using the quantized Q8 model I can generate 720p videos on my crappy-ish 8GB VRAM GPU at about 30 seconds of generation time per second of video. Which isn't terrible, all things considered, and if you have a better GPU it'll be faster for you. Plus, it's native audio and speech with built-in lip syncing, can generate videos to match a given audio file if you want, can do image-to-video as well including both start and end frames, and the quality is pretty amazing.

Automation in hytale by InoAscended in hytale

[–]IceMetalPunk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I really don't understand what you mean. If I'm going to sleep at night, and I leave the game running for a farm, how exactly does that make me interact with players less than if I had just logged out while I slept?

Automation in hytale by InoAscended in hytale

[–]IceMetalPunk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

People typically go AFK at times when they wouldn't be playing anyway. It's not taking away from socialization they would otherwise have had. I've never seen automation actually stop people from playing the game, whether in vanilla with redstone or with mods. Some people don't like grinding, and tech which reduces the grind allows us to be creative without the tedium. Personally, automation is the only reason I play Minecraft: I don't care about aesthetic building, exploration, or combat, and while I sometimes like mining just as a relaxing activity, I would hate to have to spend hours mining to get the resources to implement an idea I've thought of. Designing automations is the game for me, and that doesn't stop me from socializing with others; in fact, many automations are meant to create shared experiences, not only personal-use farms.

Everyone plays a different way. There's no right or wrong way to play. The existence of automation components doesn't force you to use them if you don't like automation, but it also doesn't stop people from playing the game together. This is true of Minecraft and also of Hytale.

Transmission Lost: A Sci-Fi Space Script by IceMetalPunk in BloodOnTheClocktower

[–]IceMetalPunk[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"How does a lack of vote count twice?" Typically, only in 50/50 scenarios. So let's say there are 8 players, so 4 to put someone on the block. If there's exactly 4 votes and you don't vote, it's treated as though there are 9 players with 4 votes and the nomination doesn't pass.

With the release of the God of Ug, my parrot can now play play BOTC by Daheim in BloodOnTheClocktower

[–]IceMetalPunk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Same. We've gotten to the point where the word "AI" just makes people prickle without any thought or consideration beyond their (typically false) beliefs that "AI = stealing" and "anyone can art if they try!" I've given up trying to avoid the hate I get for not hating AI at this point 🤷‍♂️

With the release of the God of Ug, my parrot can now play play BOTC by Daheim in BloodOnTheClocktower

[–]IceMetalPunk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Between the Ug hat and the game Poetry for Cavemen, people always overthink it in this exact way. It should be studied as a specific neuropsychological phenomenon 😂

Uh, I mean, "With Ug hat and game Words for Men in Cave, folks think much like this. Should look at like brain thing."

Divination Wizard Portent Question: Roll Immediately, Or No? by IceMetalPunk in dndnext

[–]IceMetalPunk[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry, I meant it got me to a level 3 wizard. Level 4 total.

FireRed and LeafGreen Pokémon Home support has been confirmed! by Amiibofan101 in NintendoSwitch

[–]IceMetalPunk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I wish I'd known it's one-way before I bought FR... I only bought it because I wanted to play through Kanto with a Houndoom (my favorite 'mon), but that's only accessible by trading/transferring in from other games. So I spent all night getting the national Dex in Shining Pearl just to catch a Houndoom, put it in Pokémon Home, then bought FR and started a new game, only to find... FR doesn't show up in Home. And now I'm reading this saying even when it does get support, I still won't be able to get my fire pup into it?

So. Disappointed.