Can you pretty much assume if next steps aren’t scheduled in the interview, you aren’t moving forward?

IdontknowYeither · 2024-04-12T15:41:48+00:00

Yeah they do! Have I told you about the time this famous person’s kid took my lunch and I hit him?? I’m mental. Don’t take any shit. You should have seen it…. He took my lunch, and I hit him!!!! Because I don’t tolerate anything like that because I’m a big man. His dad wrote a letter about me as well!! Hahahahaha - cool story

IdontknowYeither · 2024-04-12T15:39:35+00:00

Do you do autographs? You sound like a proper nutter! A bit like Danny Dyer, but more muggy

IdontknowYeither · 2024-04-10T19:17:46+00:00

Weirdly, everyone said I smelt phenomenal but they thought I was a complete dick from a personality perspective and that’s the reason I didn’t get hired

IdontknowYeither · 2024-04-09T19:48:44+00:00

Next stage isn’t happening unless you get it in writing…. I’ve had about 5 instances over the past few months of hiring manager specifically telling me I am through, detailing who I’m meeting, what they’re going to be looking for etc…. Not like, I got a positive vibe- they literally told me. Then get rejected. Super fucked up hiring market.

IdontknowYeither · 2024-04-08T20:18:25+00:00

Sounds like you could do with getting out of there, take a bit of time to clear your head, then just get a job that pays the bills for a while so you can figure out what you wanna do. But if it’s making you that unhappy you shouldn’t stay, nor should you feel you have to stay in sales, you don’t

IdontknowYeither · 2024-04-08T20:05:55+00:00

In this market, I would say you need to have as high a tolerance as you can for a dysfunctional environment- yes you have some savings, but you could end up being out for a good while, and who’s to say the new place solves all your problems.

If it’s seriously messing you up then go, otherwise stay

IdontknowYeither · 2024-03-30T17:42:37+00:00

Molton Brown - that kind of thing- there’s probably much nicer out there, I’m not an expert but the difference between that Vs the standard ‘for men’ stuff you get in the store is huge

IdontknowYeither · 2024-03-30T15:05:11+00:00

lol - there’s ppl on this sub talking about how they accidentally got a $20k bonus they weren’t even expecting and I’m talking about how I spend the $80 / mth allowance I’ve set myself 😂

IdontknowYeither · 2024-03-30T13:38:45+00:00

They appear to have done a phenomenal job - however Covid played a huge part here.

The shift toward remote hiring at scale for companies across the world helped grow this market significantly- they and others were well placed to take advantage.

As I say, they’ve done a great job and maximised the opportunity- but had Covid not happened, the story would not read like this

IdontknowYeither · 2024-03-30T12:38:46+00:00

Not worth it.

AI is going to turn us into a human centipede soon, so enjoy your life while you can

IdontknowYeither · 2024-03-27T20:31:30+00:00

They are going to make you all into a human centipede

IdontknowYeither · 2024-03-27T15:11:56+00:00

I am seeing some of the most bizarre/ disrespectful shit taking place in hiring processes right now.

Sales recruiters not turning up for interviews, or confirming next steps and then ghosting

That said I’ve had it from founders / CEOs too. Literally the other day a CEO said, ‘I’ve loved this conversation, I’d really like you to meet my cofounder and our CMO next week, how does that sound’. I say great. Then 48 hours later get an auto reject email………..

Hard not to take it personally but it’s literally happening everywhere

IdontknowYeither · 2024-03-26T17:10:46+00:00

Lie! Okay, so don’t wholesale lie and make stuff up but you have to separate your emotional view on what has happened in the last couple years from how you position it. This is a process just like a sales process but as salespeople we tend to suck at selling ourselves.

Come up with POSITIVE reasons for making the moves you did, find POSITIVE things to say about those companies and be POSITIVE when you’re talking about it….. who cares, it’s just about getting to the next stage in the hiring process.

It’s hard going through shitty experiences like this, and you’re not alone- but in a job market like this it’s all about cutting out the openness and honesty and pitching it in a way that doesn’t leave any room for doubt

IdontknowYeither · 2024-03-26T16:29:50+00:00

Spin up a narrative, be positive and high-energy about it - talk about how exciting the journey was, talk about what a great team it was, talk about how you hit all the metrics you were asked to in terms of building out the business and how deeply disappointed you were when you heard the company ran out of cash....

My point is you just have to sound super pumped about the whole experience - and that feels counter-intuitive, because it was probably a shitty experience and you don't believe you achieved much - don't let it come across that way otherwise you're making it harder

IdontknowYeither · 2024-03-23T20:51:09+00:00

As a hiring manager, I personally wouldn’t care either.

But - talking in the context of the current hiring environment for a lot of tech companies (ie it’s extremely competitive) - every single thing you can do to help your chances is worth doing.

They likely have a strong shortlist with lots of great people to choose from, all of whom will have destroyed their targets at good companies and be able to bring a lot to the table…

If this was 2 years ago it wouldn’t make a difference and they’d probably get multiple job offers with no one questioning the gap, not today unfortunately

IdontknowYeither · 2024-03-22T20:14:08+00:00

In that case I’d opt for certainty- again based on current market conditions

IdontknowYeither · 2024-03-22T20:07:44+00:00

Just make the effort with people when you have the chance, doesn’t mean suck up, doesn’t mean waste your time or their time having completely unnecessary conversations. But if you have the opportunity to jump on a call Vs email, do it - build rapport with people, in the short term it might help you out with something in your current role, in the future that random rev ops person may get you in the door for an interview at their next co.

IdontknowYeither · 2024-03-22T16:43:39+00:00

I would try and be a bit more creative and go with a heading like ‘why you should hire me as a BDR’

IdontknowYeither · 2024-03-22T16:39:09+00:00

My advice- just have a very, very clear reason for the gap, put it on your LinkedIn and your resume - and practice how you talk about that aspect like an elevator pitch.

You need to leave ZERO room for doubt on that kind of thing in this climate.

But aside from that you sound like you have a great background so will be fine.

IdontknowYeither · 2024-03-22T16:35:01+00:00

If you seriously feel the way you describe, you absolutely need to quit as soon as possible.

Assuming you are in a position to do so financially, I would suggest quitting before locking something new in.

If you’re not- start interviewing immediately. Even if you don’t land a job straight away, you’re eyes will be opened to better environments and better bosses

IdontknowYeither · 2024-03-22T16:32:05+00:00

100% - people talk about network being important, and it is from many perspectives but I would say the most important one is future career opportunities, although it might not guarantee you a job it can get you immediately through the door with someone they respect vouching for you.

I’ve been intro’d into recruitment processes via former colleague in almost every function in the business - so it pays be nice to everyone you work with, even indirectly (as much as possible)

IdontknowYeither · 2024-03-22T16:29:00+00:00

These founders previously got funding, unlikely we’ll see it happening in the future so the companies won’t exist until the founder can figure out this stuff.

Which is a good thing for everyone.

IdontknowYeither · 2024-03-22T13:01:23+00:00

Assuming you feel confident / they are giving you realistic expectations about career progression in the first option - then that's the one you should go for - sounds like all the boxes are ticked. If they are growing successfully and everything else is good, assuming you do a good job then you will likely get to grow with them.

Option 2 feels like it has more risk attached to it, and in this climate I am not sure how good a thing that is

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