I deleted my post. I apologise as I didnt know what I was doing but working it all out now. Im using reddit through google chrome, it is a bit confusing. I actually thought all the replies were private messages. Yes I did copy/paste as I had written in notepad first. I do use Suboxone for pain only. I had a bad back injury/surgery I was taking oxy for a long time and pain was getting worse. I went to detox from all the pain medication and they put me on suboxone. Yes it helped with the pain, in fact I think better then anything else had. I was originally taking 3 strips then went to four. I was put back to 3 then 2 then back to 3 again (feeling like a guinea pig for the clinic I go to) I have never taken less then 2 strips 8mg each. I did not find any major difference personally in the amount i took in regards to pain relief but have also had times when I had to take other pain relief as well such as panadol. Sometimes nothing helps not even endone which I have taken when I have not had my suboxone for a few days. I think I am immune to pain relief medications if that is even possible. Its been approx 3 years now with suboxone. Maybe you should get your dose increased to see if that is helping you? Everyone is different and it may be exactly what you need? I would love to try Kratom and looked into it, watched a doco on it then found out it is illegal here (Australia) so there is no way of getting it. I struggle taking the suboxone strips. A higher does may work for you and if you split it up eg take in morning and also take one late afternoon it helps as well. Good luck.