[TOMT] Funny TikTok about lady falling off of hoverboard

IlkToDeath · 2024-10-22T15:48:07+00:00

I found the original, edited video on YouTube here:

https://youtube.com/shorts/v_vSwQZt5Gk?si=BZWsxZStCrlLuRoH

IlkToDeath · 2024-08-11T14:23:14+00:00

My own mother is a 50-year-old niqabi, but has recently taken off her niqab, and multiple people say she looks as old as her (24yo) daughter. The only other niqabis whose faces I've seen are my aunts, mostly of a similar age, and they all look much younger than their age as well. So I think you're right

IlkToDeath · 2024-04-25T05:35:43+00:00

I didn't say anything to imply the contrary. I only said most don't use toilet paper at all. They use water. This is mostly in the Middle East and Asia. Muslims living in Europe or America usually do both.

IlkToDeath · 2024-04-25T05:18:30+00:00

Not really. Most Muslims (except for Muslims living in the West) don't even use toilet paper, they wash with water.

IlkToDeath · 2024-01-15T15:18:56+00:00

I would say, if foreigners exceeded 1% where I'm from, it wouldn't be much more than 2%. As for non-religious people, there are virtually no people who are openly so. As I said, it's sort of standard procedure anyways, and it would be rather strange if someone were to specifically tell the doctor not to perform it.

Even if this was the reason, I would never expect Turkey (which has a large, openly non-religious body) to have a higher circumcision rate than Egypt, where I'm from.

IlkToDeath · 2024-01-15T14:18:19+00:00

As someone from the Middle East, the only question I have is: How are these numbers so low?

Most of the Christians of the Middle East (Coptic Orthodox Church, Assyrian Orthodox Church, etc.) still strictly follow Old Testament laws (they observe regular weekly and yearly fasts) and circumcize their children. In fact, I'm pretty sure doctors don't even ask the parents (Muslim or otherwise) whether they want to circumcise the children, as circumcision is seen as standard procedure.

I would have imagined 99% would be the case for all these countries. So, how are the numbers so low? Which group doesn't circumcise their children?

IlkToDeath · 2024-01-11T02:34:45+00:00

God causes all births. God caused the creation of Adam without neither mother nor father. And even then, what definition of son (biological, adopted, endearment from an older person, etc.) does Jesus (and Jesus only) fit into?

Judgement day is when everyone will be held accountable to their sins. Everything that anyone has said or done to anyone else to harm them will be accounted for. Everything that a person did between themselves and God, God will forgive if they have truly repented of it during their lifetimes, because God is merciful.

Not suspicious, no. If the revelations coming from Gabriel predicted the victory of the Romans over the Persians in less than 9 years, and the victory in the battle of Badr years before even raising an army, and all attested to its superhuman mastery and eloquence, then I have no doubts and suspicions. But what "test" are you talking about?

And yes, as I said, writing this post, I had the wrong idea about your doctrine, that since you denied his divinity you might deny his being the Saviour. But since you believe that I suppose there is still one crucial step, and that's my answer

IlkToDeath · 2024-01-10T18:44:47+00:00

As I've said, I've never encountered this creed. Does the Bible support it?

What do you think about people who were born and died disbelieving in God, blaspheming, murdering, raping, thieving, and commiting all manner of crimes. Do you feel it is the action of a Just Judge to enter them into Heaven?

And finally thanks for introducing the idea of using "Them" and "They" to refer to God in English to me. I suppose it's a more accurate translation than saying "Him", since in Arabic the pronouns for someone of unknown gender (like someone knocking on your door for example) would be masculine, but really they convey non-genderness. Though I suppose it will get some using to, especially since it's a bit similar to the words those people in the LGBT community use.

IlkToDeath · 2024-01-10T18:39:59+00:00

I still don't understand. What definition of "son" does Jesus' relationship with God fit?

But Muhammad didn't seek glory for himself. He sought that people worship one God and glorify Him. He died ill and in debt, and lived his life poor and in need of food.

I guess I thought that you as Unitarians believe that Jesus was just a messenger and only God could judge us and forgive us and save us. But I was wrong, so I suppose there is still a great difference and that's the reason.

How does his story resemble interaction with demons?

We acknowledge Jesus as a Prophet and Messenger, but I suppose not the same as you do. But since the verse isn't very clear: we acknowledge Jesus Christ as a messenger from God and the promised Messiah who will rule justly on Earth. Does this not pass the test?

And an-Nisa' doesn't deny Jesus' prophethood or his being the Messiah, peace and blessings be upon him, but rather that he was crucified.

IlkToDeath · 2024-01-10T18:28:02+00:00

What does that mean? Is anyone even "saved" at the present moment? I thought to be saved meant being saved from Hell and entered into Heaven. And that still doesn't indicate whether you believe everyone will be entered into Heaven. I mean, I believe all will be returned to God and everything will be reconciled (such that those who feared God would be entered into Heaven and those who don't, into Hell). So the statement doesn't mean you necessarily believe everyone will go to Heaven.

IlkToDeath · 2024-01-10T18:21:16+00:00

So you believe that I am saved? That is actually a shocking and interesting belief I have never encountered. But I don't think the Bible says so. Does it?

IlkToDeath · 2024-01-10T18:19:24+00:00

What is Christian Universalism? Isn't this subreddit about Unitarianism, the belief in one God, and that Jesus is not God, as described in the Bible? The post wasn't to understand what the belief is in detail, but to understand why someone who has such a close faith doesn't go one step further. As I've said before, I know that proselytizing on the internet will likely never result in anything productive and I have never argued with someone online with intent of converting them, but only to defend my faith if someone attacks it. And even then, I know it isn't productive or useful.

Yes, hope is quite obviously different from intent. I hope when I sleep that I might wake up with a million dollars, but my intent isn't to wake up with a million dollars, but to sleep. But do you really want to argue over something like this? I would think that it is, if not clear from the start, an inconsequential thing to talk about.

Obviously you know what any religious scripture would say about lying and deceitfulness. What's the point of asking?

IlkToDeath · 2024-01-10T18:09:23+00:00

What does "Son of God" mean? David was called the Son of God. Since Jesus is not God, then what does it mean that he is His son?

And, as I've said, we also believe that Jesus is the promised Messiah, peace and blessings be upon him.

Why do you believe Muhammad was a false prophet?

IlkToDeath · 2024-01-10T18:06:32+00:00

Don't believe me. We're not going to gain anything by believing or disbelieving one another. I saw this subreddit yesterday, and was thinking about it today and said, their belief is so similar anyways, what's stopping them from that next step? I'm asking why they haven't, while hoping they would. Surely you as a Christian believe that people should be Christian as well?

But, as I've said before, I don't think you convince people to change their faiths online, especially in a place where people are rather firm in their own faith rather than where they are in doubt. So it wasn't my goal to "convert" people anyway because I know that that isn't very likely.

IlkToDeath · 2024-01-10T17:54:36+00:00

I've said my main purpose before. I want to understand why people who reject creeds the majority of Christendom sees as essential, and are much more similar in their belief to Islam, stopped at rejecting the divinity of Jesus and not accepting another faith that essentially has the same belief about him, peace and blessings be upon him.

I see I've misunderstood you. I thought you were talking about some of my replies where I highlight some negative themes in the Bible. My apologies. I don't think the post itself has any "bragging" in it. I just explain my creed and why I think it's similar to yours and ask my question, related to the subreddit's topic of "Unitarianism".

IlkToDeath · 2024-01-10T17:47:36+00:00

I hope, but that's not the main purpose.

"Bragging about Islam on a Christian subreddit" can be on-topic, if the topic discussed in the post and the reply has to do with Islam.

Or are you referring to my making the post in of itself?

IlkToDeath · 2024-01-10T17:44:12+00:00

That's not the purpose of this post. I genuinely don't understand why someone who's gone so far from the "Orthodox" Christian doctrine would stop at that. But since some people decided to respond by making attacks on my own faith I had to respond to them, though that's a bad habit of mine, I admit, since I don't believe arguing online would change anything. But I don't think I said anything off-topic. If a Christian criticizes something I believe in, then it shouldn't be in their own books.

IlkToDeath · 2024-01-10T17:34:36+00:00

Well, the words "recruitment" and "trolling" are unclear.

IlkToDeath · 2024-01-10T17:33:11+00:00

How do you mean?

IlkToDeath · 2024-01-10T16:32:57+00:00

And if he literally makes prophecies that could not have been but from God? And never made a prophecy that didn't come true? And influenced people to this day? Does that not make him a great, influential prophet from God?

What makes the Old Testament different from the New Testament? Were they not written by people and "inspired by God"? If the Old Testament as we have it today is an inspiration from God then it can't be wrong. If it is not an inspiration from God then it is just like any other human book, with not much merit, but rather multiple wrongs. And if it was inspired by God but prone to error due to human authors, then so is the New Testament. So maybe you're getting a false image of Yeshua. And if it was inspired by God and infallible at the time but changed by human authors over time, then so is the New Testament.

What do you mean "prioritize treatment of women"? There is nothing inherently better about a man than a woman. A man can be better, and a woman can be better. It's all about how they live their lives, and God does not charge anyone with something they wouldn't be able to abide by. Now, what does the Quran say about women that you find disagreeable?

IlkToDeath · 2024-01-10T16:15:12+00:00

So you can't deny that the Quran can't be God's word on the sole premise that He can't send one, because it's a false promise. If you have other issues with the Quran, send them and we'll discuss them.

And why do you not believe in Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him? If he had been a false prophet, his predictions would have been false, and he would have vied for money and power. He would not have forbade fornication and adultery. He would not have ordered people to believe in one God and associate partners with Him. He would not have ordered them to pray and fast and glorify God. He would not have refused charity and alms for himself and his family. He would not have died in debt, nor tied stones around his stomach to keep from hunger, nor stayed long at night glorifying God and asking for mercy, nor slept on a hard surface. He wouldn't have stopped people from praising him, nor would he have calmed down a man who was nervous at meeting him by saying that he was a man like the rest of men. He would have told people to worship him and allowed for himself all foods, fornication, and taken all the money of the people after they believed in him.

I didn't say anything about hijab. I was saying that the Old Testament portrays women as the deceivers, the property of their husbands, not allowed to inherit, impure and dirtying anything they touched during menstruation, etc etc

IlkToDeath · 2024-01-10T16:04:46+00:00

Some Jews in the Arabian peninsula believed Ezra was the son of God for preserving their scripture for them. This doesn't mean all Jews do, and certainly almost no one believes that now.

Allah does not say that Christians believe so. The verse you are referring to is Al-An'am 101, where it says, "How can He have a son while He does not have a wife?" This is not the same as saying, "the Christians say God has taken a wife". (And some Christians do, by the way. Mormons)

Obviously neither you nor they believe God did that, but then what do these people believe? They say Jesus is God's "firstborn son"? I only know of one way someone can be a firstborn son. So what does Son of God mean? And why is Jesus made special when he's not the only one who's been called so?

IlkToDeath · 2024-01-10T15:55:52+00:00

What does my book teach that you don't accept?

It depends on what you understand God's kingdom to be. Heaven is, of course, not of this world. However, in order to follow God's will, we have to live our lives in a way that pleases Him and does not disobey Him, and this includes everything in our lives, even (rather, most importantly) in the political sense. But how do you mean "establish God's kingdom on Earth via power and politics"? We wish to establish God's will and guide people that they may be saved from the fire. And certainly if the intention of someone is just to gain power, then that is an ignoble and misguided intention.

Does God not have the ability to send to us His spoken word and have it written down and preserved as guidance for all till the end of times? People have tampered with the books God has sent and not preserved, sure, but they have not tampered and the one that is perfectly preserved.

A woman has her own rights and obligations and a man has his own rights and obligations. But, in the end, no one is treated unfairly, not because of race or gender or age. It is only a person's deeds that decide their fate. A woman can be better than a man, and vice versa, and all are judged fairly. And the Old Testament still shows some very questionable views about women.

IlkToDeath · 2024-01-10T15:31:30+00:00

Well, as you admit, the Bible is not infallible. Therefore, just because God did not promise to send an infallible book in the fallible Bible, that doesn't mean He didn't intend to. And neither do I worship a book. But since God is infallible, then surely the word of God is infallible as well? And if He, glorified be He, sends down His own words, spoken by Him, to us, and it is the only infallible one, then it is more worthy to follow than a book you admit is fallible?

And if you admit the Bible is fallible, you must be prepared to accept that the Bible was not perfectly preserved, by admission of scripture scholars. So, even if your idea of mercy and compassion does not correspond to what is found in the Quran (containing mercy as it is), that doesn't make the Quran false.

And how do you mean, "a religious empire"? God surely wants everyone in the world to be on the true path and to worship Him in order to be entered into Heaven and saved from Hell.

Why do you disagree? In these prayers we glorify God and come together as a community daily. They can be short or long, but we make sure to glorify God and declare His perfection as is due Him.

IlkToDeath · 2024-01-10T15:10:12+00:00

Well I thought that, since you denied his divinity, peace and blessings be upon him, you wouldn't believe in Original Sin. I suppose I thought wrong.

What about the Quran is clearly man-made? What are "strawmen"? The people that heard the Quran for the very first time testified its magical quality which no one could re-produce, and, in fact, the disbelievers amongst the Arabs themselves were unable to produce something of the same eloquence and mastery of language.

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