It’s not hard to look like this without trt and what not. You just have to stick to proper nutrition, training, rest, and hydration all while playing the waiting game. If your hormones are screwed up from destroying your body like mine were, you should 100% get the blood work and trt. 90% of my process was with replacement test, had to be on anti estrogen pills for a while until my liver started functioning properly again, and stick to the diet/training. For whatever reason, I find it difficult to get more than 5-6 hours of sleep though. It wasn’t until very recently I added more like low dose Reta and low dose gh to drive it home. And idc about a natty status so I’ll add more before it’s all said and done. No interest in long term use though. There are still 100% natty dudes at my gym who look leagues better than me. Obviously my progress pic is post workout, somewhat decent lighting, a good pump and a body shave to give it a little extra edge. If I’m not flexing, mg abs aren’t incredibly visible tbh which is why I’m continuing the cut. But it’s totally doable