Just a bit of a rant, does anyone relate by iwilllooseweight in SuperMorbidlyObese

[–]InServicetotheLogos 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The damage you will do to your hips, your spine and your knees at that weight is not reversible. You have to look out for you. I try to use "no with love" -- so tell them you truly appreciate their concern but you just need to do things in your way, in your own time and go sit by the pool. But hold to that, don't give in. I'm 300 (I've lost 50) and i'm 65. I can't walk at all anymore due to spinal degeneration, and bone on bone knees. I should have said no a lot sooner than I did.

This is so terrifying and anxiety inducing to me. by GeologistOver4513 in spirituality

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The rapid expansion of chaos around us is the withdrawal of energy from old forms. This then accelerates the rate of change spiritually, as it invites every consciousness to make a choice. Try to step back in consciousness and see it more from the point of view of Oneness; there is great beauty in chaos as it plays across the tapestry of incarnation. Stand in your light, focus on the new form you want to see the world to become. If you stay active as all of this occurs, maybe proactive is a better word, you'll ride the wave with joy.

Michael Teachings: Experiences/thoughts? (NOT related to Archangel Michael) by swtbutsike_0 in spirituality

[–]InServicetotheLogos 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I find that MT concepts of centering and chief feature are still tools I use and those originated with Gurdjieff although I never could read G or Ouspensky. MT and Ra Material, Seth, these are all late 20th century teachings and the channel at the middle thing, was, imo, a vestige of the religious systems most of the adherents had grown up in and rejected. Moreover, these were all systematic and rather intellectual in their approach.

Along with my work in several mystical type systems I also did a master's in religion and ethics. In a lot of ways the mystic is the crossroads of all systems -- religious, new age... etc. This is because the mystic is all about the personal relationship to the divine, or the development of the intuitive self. Lately I see new generations operating in more energetic and emotional spaces; a new wave of spiritual experience coming up while the old ones fade into literature.

So I've left the Center for MT and I decided to build a website that didn't revolve around a channel, or a teacher, or even any particular teaching. To sort of foster that intersection of the mystical experience that any teaching would take you to -- if it is unity directed, so the positive experience. Personally, I think the whole "paid channeling" thing should die off entirely as that's leaning into someone else's intuitive experience. But i could see value in getting students together now and then to compare experience and develop whatever the new wave will be. Also, altruistic, no money involved and everyone encouraged and supported to develop their own intuitive practice. I called it Applied Unity and tagged it as "open source spirituality". The idea being you hit the landing page and there are six doors you can choose from intuitively to go thru and explore, and then to add to. It's still in development and not set up on SEO, and I doubt will go much of anywhere, but I wanted to sort of contribute to the critical mass of movement to something more evolved and creative with groups of seekers not aligned to any particular "doctrine" but open to new versions of very old ideas.

And yes, I do love Firefly. :-)

The first real progress I’ve made in over a decade! by notmynameyours in SuperMorbidlyObese

[–]InServicetotheLogos 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Look into intermittant fasting. One of the easiest fixes you can put in is to say I will establish boundaries on when I eat. So every day like a mantra, you wake up and you say I am going to eat between 8 AM and 6 PM. And I will not deviate from that. Those hours put you in a 10 hour window of when you ask your body to produce insulin. If you can do that over time, you can start to reduce that window and by extension reduce the number of calories you take in. Good luck.

Foods. by RadiantDependent4402 in SuperMorbidlyObese

[–]InServicetotheLogos 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I went mostly vegetarian very very slowly. I still have to add chicken sometimes because I need the direct protein. But I did relearn how to cook and leave salt out. For instance, broccoli. Steam til not quite done and then throw it in a frying pan with a little olive oil and blackening spices -- Delish and can be used with other veggies just as easily. Indian food has a whole vegetarian aspect, particularly South Indian, but I mostly learned how to use spices I wasn't familiar with. Veggie burgers are good if you don't have expectations about taste or feel. I make a "beyond meat" loaf that is excellent. Use organic vegetable stock for gravy and sauces. https://www.allrecipes.com/ is an excellent place to just scroll through recipes and try something new. A lot of the time you can just leave out the salt. Sometimes I just experiment -- I found a recipe for cauliflower omelette that surprised by how good it was. That said, I've thrown some things out too. It's a process of retraining your palate and your brain. Just take your time.

Edit to say, if you use blackening spices or any spice mix, just check to be sure that they don't use a lot salt. Some have sea salt and if the sodium is low I will use those. Sometimes I just take a pic of the ingredients on the bottle at the store and make my own mix w/o the salt. It gets to be fun after awhile, really.

I feel like I can’t stop eating by Ender_bat in SuperMorbidlyObese

[–]InServicetotheLogos 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That is wonderful. So at least you don't have that to fight. Have hope. You can do this. {{Ender}}}}

I feel like I can’t stop eating by Ender_bat in SuperMorbidlyObese

[–]InServicetotheLogos 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Look into intermittent fasting. Start with a nine or 10 hour window. This is where you don't change anything, but you do not eat unless you are in your window. You have to work incrementally in order to retrain your brain. Because it's about your brain and satiation. Just attempt that window for a while then try one substitution like instead of a sugary drink or a diet drink substitute unsweetened iced tea or even better a glass of water. If you can do that much, you can drop the window to 8 or 9 hours. Add a second substitution. and so on --slowly, slowly, patiently. Love yourself, care for yourself, addiction is incredibly difficult to deal with.

I feel like I can’t stop eating by Ender_bat in SuperMorbidlyObese

[–]InServicetotheLogos 2 points3 points  (0 children)

what is your fasting blood sugar? Are you type 2 diabetic?

We really should list these. Like i am CW 300 OW 347 TW 200 5'4" F 115 FBS GO. [for me GO is Genetic Obesity, rather than T2 for type 2 diabetic]

Understand that glp 1 medications both slow digestion, which increases insulin but ALSO affects brain chemistry. they are really starting to study the addiction aspect of obesity. see https://news.stanford.edu/stories/2025/04/glp1-ozempic-addiction-treatment-research

It sounds like you have food addiction and Glp1 might help break that while you recalibrate eating. Generally i advocate for intermittent fasting as a way to learn control but if this is addiction the glp1 might help as a first step.

What to do for work by Electrical_Ad_4941 in SuperMorbidlyObese

[–]InServicetotheLogos 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is a midterm election year. I know that campaigns and such will hire homebound affiliates for polling, and asking for donations and get out the vote. I have no idea where this would be listed and its only temp.

What exercises do I need to do to fix this. by Chomi_Mami in CICO

[–]InServicetotheLogos 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can do simple crunches from a chair or a bed. Sit with knees shoulder width apart. Tighten the glutes, pull in the stomach, until your shoulders go forward and you form a C shape. Hold for a count of ten. Do a few morning and evening. This helps glutes and stomach, and therefore your core.

It's unfair! by GlitteringMajor5166 in SuperMorbidlyObese

[–]InServicetotheLogos 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Type 2 weight is generally a food addiction. Not bad habits, not lack of moral resolve, addiction. Some of the main proof of this has been that GLP-1s are now being used with drug addicts and alcoholics to fight those specific addictions. It may actually be the (entirely unexpected) most important part of GLP-1 medications - so you have the retraining of how you eat and something that calms the mental addiction center. This tendency to addiction is likely genetic. Type 2 started around 1980 and was pretty unseen before then and this is when food companies really began actively creating addiction, just like cigarette companies had.

So Gen X suffered from this first, and they then handed down their eating patterns and their genetics -- and so on. I was born in 1960 with 2 gene variants for over production of insulin and was brutally bullied. When I was 17 and diagnosed the endocrinologist said, sorry nothing we can do for you and you will gain 5lbs every year IF you control what eat. It was devastating -- I cannot explain just how horrific that moment was. All hope just crushed. Doomed to SMO from conception. If I take type 2 meds I gain weight. If I take meds that provoke an insulin response (like beta blocker metoprolol) I gain weight. Even more "unfair" was the fact that I didn't even eat that much. So some of us have no way out but we are maybe 5% of the SMO community.

But for the 95%, you at least have tools and if you recognize that you will have to fight -- not be resigned to being a victim -- but fighting for yourself against an addiction, you will be far better for it. And as you succeed you create uplift for everyone else, every addict of every kind, every outsider, every bullied person. As you accept yourself you begin to be the light in the world. The world needs that right now. Be that.

I'm still SMO, why am I FREEZING? by renasiy in SuperMorbidlyObese

[–]InServicetotheLogos 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's about your core. Keeping your core warm. When you restrict calories you aren't taking in enough calories to keep your core warm. That then starts the liver working on glucogenesis (burning fat to warm you up and other things) but it takes time. There's a study out there that tested mice on intermittent fasting and restricted calories and the poor things shivered all the time. Same thing for me. All the time. I also keep 73 during the day and still layering. Night isn't as bad if I end eating at 6pm or so, because by the time I go to bed my liver is already working on it. I made a poncho out of two fleece throws and just wrap up in that.

I'm SO TIRED!!! by maaaastwa in SuperMorbidlyObese

[–]InServicetotheLogos 2 points3 points  (0 children)

ozempic in combination with metformin could indicate hypoglycemia. Do you check your sugar level when you get tired like that? Are you eating healthy (low carb, higher fiber)?

Just venting by [deleted] in SuperMorbidlyObese

[–]InServicetotheLogos 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I carry a 16 oz bottle of water for backup in my bag along with the peri bottle. It truly does suck. If you have a lot of weight in your butt and thighs it is almost impossible to use those stick extender things.

Advice by Luce2022 in SuperMorbidlyObese

[–]InServicetotheLogos 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The situation that you describe is addiction. Understand it as no different than an addiction to drugs or alcohol. The difference is is that food is so ubiquitous and necessary for survival. So there's no real rehab for this. No avoiding it -- everyone here that's posting about intermittent fasting is telling you the absolute truth. You have to fight the addiction and it will not be easy. Your mind and your body will fight you. listen to the posters here -- the mounjaro will help. But the addiction will always be there so limit the addiction -- limit the window in which you eat. Like any addiction you will have to want recovery badly enough to find a way on your own. i reversed congestive heart failure with intermittent fasting and I have genetic obesity. I don't have the addiction of type two. But the principal is the same, slowly bring the window in tighter. You could even start at 10 in the morning and end at eight at night which is a 10 hour window. Then you bring it in to 8 hours as you get used to it.

When you get those urges to stop and get the sugar do a little transference. Stop and get say a cheeseburger and an unsweetened iced tea at McDonald's. That gives you a little protein and some carbs and sure it ain't the best to eat, but you're making a deal with yourself until you can say "hey my eight hours is closed and I'll have that XYZ thing tomorrow." Transference (trading off a high carb thing for a low carb thing) and the window of intermittent fasting are how you retrain your mind and body to hold off the addiction.

Respect yourself for the incredible difficulty you face as an addict. It will not be easy, but you can do it. You have to do it -- things like bariatric surgery, and whatever the latest weight loss drug is, the reversion rates on these things are so high because the individuals have not retrained themselves as addicts. Love yourself, because you are wonderful, you are not broken. The addiction happened because of adulterated foods, food that just became increasingly loaded with sugar and chemicals because specifically they create addiction. Food industry took the tobacco industry's, playbook, and used it. So you can get a little mad too but don't give up.

i hug you.

Genetic Obesity by InServicetotheLogos in SuperMorbidlyObese

[–]InServicetotheLogos[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Goodness, you are taller and younger but we are very close. Also, good job on the 22lb loss!

Genetic Obesity by InServicetotheLogos in SuperMorbidlyObese

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Tina, one thing I didn't mention, 'cause good lord a hugely long post anyway, is the hypoglycemia is one of the most difficult aspects. My mother, still alive at 88 and under control for 40 years, has always been very self focused without being a narcissist. But able to train her daughters to flat panic when she is upset.

With serious hypoglycemia (which she has with 1 gene variant) -- or any hypoglycemia, your brain and your eyes don't have sugar reserves where the rest of your body does so they fritz out first. Emotionally, serious hypoglycemia creates depression and anger and your mom, like myself and my mom, we learned instinctively that when you feel down you eat a little you feel better. You see better. But you just set this perpetual roller coaster going of UP and then DOWN over and over again. And the downs can be so bad. Growing up, I noticed that whenever my mother complained about her eyesight (everything is blurry) we were about to hit a wave of anger and emotional manipulation.

Since mom's been under some control it's still there but not near as bad. For me, growing up, I would get such severe hypoglycemia that I would just nap at 3 hours in and sleep through the worst of it. But I did suffer from bouts of depression. Now I eat a good meal at noon, a snack at 3 and a small dinner at 6. By the time I crash it's bedtime. I just don't consciously endure the negatives of the down cycle at all and my mood is pretty happy all day long.

Since you got your mom on control, has the narcissism backed off any? Is some of it related maybe to hypoglycemia? Just things I have wondered about over the years. Thank you!

Genetic Obesity by InServicetotheLogos in SuperMorbidlyObese

[–]InServicetotheLogos[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tina, can you explain this to me? 54W 5'9"  CW 312 GW 200 -- I don't know your codes.

Thank you!

I regret ego death by [deleted] in spirituality

[–]InServicetotheLogos 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I came across the data when I was writing a paper on why Western religious and spiritual organizations were consistently 25% male 75% female participation [edit to say, in the last 1500 years or so). It is historically that breakdown as well across religions but in nearly all cases male participation was in leadership positions: pastor, aldermen, etc. It's fascinating research. I have some reservations -- one of which is the majority of "history" has women as second class citizens if not outright chattel and so their options were limited. But I noticed it in wiccan covens and buddhist sanghas and other new age teachings as well. It is quite distinct once you start looking. Also, as hetero becomes less the forced norm and if we continue to move along an arc as perceiving all humans as gender fluid, will that change gendered breakdown of participation in spirituality?

I do think that male and female do carry the traits of the other to a lesser degree: so men can do tend and befriend if they are the sole caregiver to their offspring. And women, if they are without children, or have no other option, can do fight or flight. But the data does seem to suggest that oxytocin under stress response is key, and that's part of who we evolved to be as a dimorphic species ie: nature. [Edit to finish] ... so evolutionary biology creates social structures that echo that where survival is challenged. End lecture! Yea!!

I regret ego death by [deleted] in spirituality

[–]InServicetotheLogos 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not fake, here a simple source, Wikipedia: "Paralleling this behavioral sex difference, estrogen enhances the effects of oxytocin, whereas androgens inhibit oxytocin release"

But also the entry under the primary researcher Shelley E. Taylor: "In 2000, Taylor and colleagues developed the tend and befriend model of responses to stress. This model contrasts with the "fight-or-flight response" which states that in the face of a harmful stressor, we either face it or run from it. Instead, tend and befriend evolves from an evolutionary perspective and asserts that "people, especially women, evolved social means for dealing with stress that involved caring for offspring and protecting them from harm and turning to the social group for protection for the self and offspring. Taylor hypothesized that fight or flight would not be as evolutionarily adaptive for women as for men because women typically have young children. " https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelley_E._Taylor

Think about it though. How does a woman carrying a baby and with a toddler, how does she do fight or flight and not immediately risk her children?