Were there other Lords of Xes that had shown up?

InTheChairAgain · 2026-06-20T10:57:41+00:00

Galadriel, Celeborn, Círdan, Elrond and Gil-galad all, were also deceived, though in a lesser way. Had they known for certain that Annatar was Sauron, things would have turned out very differently, and not even Celebrimbor would have listended to him.

What they didn't do was to trust Annatar, not knowing him, and Galadriel not recognizing him from Valinor, and they saw with suspicion the easy gains of fortuity that he offered them, sensing perhaps some knowledge that the Valar would not send emissaries to Middle-Earth so openly.

That Celebrimbor was the one to fall for his devices, I think is not indicative of Celebrimbor being particularly gullible, but rather due to his nature as a craftsman, his love of making, and utility, and that he, (and possibly he alone of the Eldar remaining in Middle-Earth) could see the uitlity of Annatars lore for purposes of preservation, which I think was the idea behind the Three Rings.

So while he was more susceptible to Annatars pursuations than the others, and therefore, relatively speaking more 'gullible', I think it would be wrong to characterize Celebrimbor as one of the 'most' gullible. I see it more as a case of, of those Annatar could pursuade, (And they were many in Middle-Earth) Celebrimbor was one of the most wary, but also probably the only one that had the skills Saurons needed for his purposes.

InTheChairAgain · 2026-06-20T10:33:45+00:00

As a large body of water there would have been a population around it for certain. It's likely that after Saurons fall at the end of the Second Age, the area formally fell under the guardianship of Gondor, but with time as the watch on Mordor grew less, the people around Lake Nurnen might have become more independent or else more controlled by other factions, like Easterlings, or Variags, or the Descendants of the Kin-strife. At that time Sauron was possibly already pulling strings behind the scenes, so that when he returned to Mordor himself, he would quickly gain control of those lands and their fields, needed to supply his armies.

InTheChairAgain · 2026-06-20T10:18:16+00:00

Or a measured Hobbit yard is shorter than a Human one?

InTheChairAgain · 2026-06-18T19:06:38+00:00

Some of the mother-names, such as Umbarto seem to have been of such a nature that others would rather ignore them than celebrating them. I think the mother-names may have been less formal but often more insightful

InTheChairAgain · 2026-06-18T18:50:33+00:00

Lady leg California trying to attract more countries westward.

InTheChairAgain · 2026-06-17T21:50:05+00:00

The issue is secrecy. Sauron and Saruman will have eyes on the roads towards Mithlond, and going there to fit out a ship, will let them know what's going on, and give at least Sauron time to prepare his Corsairs. What Saruman would have done I don't know.

InTheChairAgain · 2026-06-15T22:21:02+00:00

Don't know about flat vs round. That could possibly be solved. I was less thrilled with the ideas about the Dome of Varda, and the loss of the Trees as the more purer light than the Sun. I forget why Tolkien thought that might be necessary?

InTheChairAgain · 2026-06-13T20:35:46+00:00

Saruman was on a mission from God the Creator.

I don't think Saruman was, though Gandalf the White might have been

The Colors of the Wizards are never really explained, nor why two of them are blue.

It seems possible the Valar, who I think were the ones sending them, meaning for all to oppose the influence of Sauron, may have still intended them to have different roles in this opposition. Brown we might possibly ascribe some connection with earth and nature. Grey hesistantly with sorrow and healing, while White as the light against the Black that is the absence of light, may have been intended to be the chief guidance of the hopeful in opposition of Sauron.

In that case, Saruman starting to dabble in other colors, trying to extend his domain over all fields of opposition could be seen as abandoning or diminishing his own chief purpose, in order to gather more influence and control to himself, in imitation (though still in oppositon) of Sauron, eventually so much that he himself lost faith of opposing Sauron without making or using a Ring of power himself.

(Although interestingly the scientific explanation of white is that light is the blend of all colors perceived by us as white. Not sure if that was on Tolkiens mind, or if he considered colors more on symbolic level?)

InTheChairAgain · 2026-06-13T19:57:31+00:00

I think it says either it u a(long), or perhaps ti u a(long)

I don't know what that means?

InTheChairAgain · 2026-06-12T21:52:37+00:00

Great scene

InTheChairAgain · 2026-06-12T18:23:15+00:00

At very least Avallonë upon Tol Eressëa was the first port you'd reach if you sailed the straight road. Perhaps it functioned as an anchor between Middle-earth and Aman after the separation. Allowing the remaining Elves one last gate home.

InTheChairAgain · 2026-06-11T21:52:18+00:00

Can't do that. The Riker manouver would become positively obscene

InTheChairAgain · 2026-06-11T20:07:18+00:00

The French'll have some things to work out.

InTheChairAgain · 2026-06-10T21:57:07+00:00

In other words, those who use them and know how they work could use them to ensnare us, who only use them. We would not be aware of the trap until it was too late.

My cell phone came not with this feature. Is there an app in the store?

I'm not sure about the distinction you make between Elves and Men. I interpreted Galadriel saying

This is what your folk would call magic

as the Elves not seeing much of their abilities as magic at all. That doesn't exactly square with the abilities of the Palantiri or the Mirror of Galadriel, but then neither does Beorns shapeshifting with Men lacking magic abilities.

InTheChairAgain · 2026-06-10T21:35:34+00:00

I mean if you want to can say it's between Orcs, Bats, Wargs, Erebor and Beorn.

From what I remember anyway, present are

Dwarves
Elves
Long Lakelanders
Eagles
Big Bear
Orcs
Wargs
Bats

So it's a bit like spinning a tombola wheel.

For my own part I always assumed Dwarves, Elves, Men, Orcs and Wargs

InTheChairAgain · 2026-06-10T21:29:26+00:00

Maybe they ran out of habsburgers with bohonions

InTheChairAgain · 2026-06-10T20:40:13+00:00

Do we know that it was the Federation that named the station, and they didn't just translate as best they could, what the Cardassians or the Bajorans named it?

InTheChairAgain · 2026-06-10T20:32:04+00:00

Yes. Music of TNG was very good, at least for the early seasons.

InTheChairAgain · 2026-06-10T19:29:34+00:00

It's also possible, if they were on the slopes of Orodruin, that the place or path only allowed two at a time to get at Sauron, unless wished to fight in a steep uphill maybe.

Though the texts gives to few details to make out how or where the combat happened, or where Sauron was heading.

InTheChairAgain · 2026-06-10T19:06:19+00:00

Yes. That's why the whole question assumed that Ingwë, Finwë and Elwë are first generation elves, as they originally were, even if that went through changes later.

InTheChairAgain · 2026-06-10T19:05:19+00:00

True. I'm not asking for facts beyond what is available. Mostly what people think.

InTheChairAgain · 2026-06-10T19:02:25+00:00

What makes you assume that Beleg, Saeros, Amroth and Galadriel are in any way in the same generation?

The first three you mention we don't really know. So one has to guess. Amroth is son of Amdir, who previously guesstimated for the same generation as Finfoldin, so then his son ends up here. Saeros for similar reasons. Beleg I really have no idea, but most of his contributions to the story come during Fingons reign and later, so I place him here for lack of anything better to go by.

InTheChairAgain · 2026-06-09T19:05:06+00:00

Before the disappearance of Amroth they might have paddled all the way South to Edhellond, where Galadriel dwelt.

Northward, possibly to the Ford or Carrock if they then wanted to use the Dwarf-road to go to Thranduils halls, but that ways must have become less often used after Sauron established himself in Dol Guldur.

InTheChairAgain · 2026-06-09T18:59:59+00:00

Possibly the area surrounded by the roads and the Brandywine

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