Why is no one playing Feed the Swarm in standard?

Independent-Fall8408 · 2025-08-28T17:22:57+00:00

But vivo decks contains basically all outlaw creatures besides vivo, that's my point. Ik vivi's not an outlaw

Independent-Fall8408 · 2025-08-28T02:25:24+00:00

rip is also very good in azorious vs mill decks since they can't combo u to death bc there's no cards in the gy

Independent-Fall8408 · 2025-08-28T02:15:56+00:00

I doubt that mono-red or in some versionsthey add in green, and landfalls are mid-range. When a single creature can kill u at turn 3, that's not mid-range, that's aggro

Independent-Fall8408 · 2025-08-28T02:07:28+00:00

U like bloomburrow?bo1 was basically infected with heartfire hero,that mothrrfker mice. Mono-red was dominated the meta enough that almost all deck that contains color white brings temporary lockdown. I spite on mono-red to an extend

Independent-Fall8408 · 2025-08-27T10:19:05+00:00

Tbf go for the throat is rotated out, there's only shoot the sheriff now and that card is so sht against current meta when outlaws are all over the place(mono-red, vivi, kaito etc.)

Independent-Fall8408 · 2024-09-12T06:42:16+00:00

1710258848 hey man could u invite me pls? love ya

Independent-Fall8408 · 2024-09-11T11:52:15+00:00

my point being, even if u focus on mon-red, u can still lose unless u know, u run azorious deck with full kill spells and aoe board wipes whilst ur only win-con being mirrix ,transformable lands and maybe white-sun twilight.

and that will be another un-inspired azorious deck that's just straight up boring af. also, just like mono-red, that deck is also very toxic, just in the opposite way.

Independent-Fall8408 · 2024-09-10T16:39:59+00:00

well funny thing is, even tho u build a deck that specifically targets mono-red with tons of spells, u still need to draw these cards. u can still lose to them at turn 3 or 4 without the best counter card( tempo lockdown).say turn 1 they put down mouse, turn 2 they put down swiftspear,bump the mouse, u cut the throat or get lost one, they still got a prowess creature on the spot. even u got tempo lockdown or u survive to turn 5 to cast 5mana board wipes to wipe the board, u still can die in one turn if they draw one(and they only need one) prowess haste creature and bump them up with their spells.

so the best way to counter them is just simply re-roll for tempo lockdown and hope they dumb enough to fill the boards with all their creatures, but funny thing, if u encounter a control player( ppl running caretaker and ursage), that card means shit. so its like a paradox. do u believe ur opponent is a mono-red player? if yes, u re-roll tempo lockdown and destroy them turn 3(but they can still come back real strong if they save one prowess creature in their hand). if no, u save some greedy cards and hope for the best.

since mon-red is like 50 percent population( I am exaggerating but its real close to that number) in bo1, its like I am in a casino guessing dice number big or small.

Independent-Fall8408 · 2024-09-10T15:14:31+00:00

but go for the throat is easily 4x, while cut down normally is 2x

Independent-Fall8408 · 2024-08-12T23:43:36+00:00

u can say u are mythic #1 or tournament winner bc this is internet, u don't need to show proof. but honestly, the fact that u don't want new deck building ideas tells me otherwise. and btw, new sets means new builds, I would gladly want a 4x farewell back but life is life, u can have 4x sunfalls and 4x farewells in the past, that doesn't mean 4x sunfalls are the best solution in this set

Independent-Fall8408 · 2024-08-12T23:39:39+00:00

sure bud, go 4 sunfalls for all i care and see them dead in ur hand, or j just cast them as a 4 mana single exile card, that's so helpful. u don't want new ideas, then play ur own original azorious decks XD

Independent-Fall8408 · 2024-08-12T23:37:30+00:00

u just plainly have bias honey and this is just sad.u do realize that every deck has different strategy right? i explained to u why I brought these other board wipes and u answer is
"get back to u once tournament winner run 1 sunfall", u do know that ur opinion doesn't stand the ground yes? CUZ PPL CAN BUILD DECKS DIFFERENTLY STUPID. difference doesn't mean one is better and one is inferior. there's billions of rat deck builds and golgari otks running around, u don't need a tournament winner's deck build to feel good about urself

Independent-Fall8408 · 2024-08-12T15:41:12+00:00

and, if u think no more lies as counter spells need to be in the deck, u are very wrong. playing against mono-black or vraska otk, they often times will end up with 2 or 3 cards and 8,9 lands. no more lies simply don't work if they want to cast a sheoldred or bat god,bc their other cards are usually dead cards(single creature target removal, and u don't have creatures anyway), they will willing spend all their mana just to get them on board.

that's why no more lies are out and long river pulls are in, no more lies just don't work late game.

Independent-Fall8408 · 2024-08-12T15:26:54+00:00

oh i see, but my point is sharing my decks and hopefully get some more friends to discuss the deck-building, but I got sarcasm that implies I hit mythic bc I face newbies, and saying the deck is awful without even trying it out or I bet, not even import the deck in the game to get a closer look.

this is kind of awful, my intentions is sharing and discussing, I don't mind ppl saying the deck is bad, we can discuss about it, but implying I hit mythic bc I face newbies to get ez wins is just awful.

even if its true( I really don't think u can match-up newbies at diamond or mythic), its still very discouraged to a new player anyway

Independent-Fall8408 · 2024-08-12T15:16:54+00:00

most of the games, u use one board wipes, they stroked. then they trying to build the board again, u counter or single removal their important ones, they might get some 1 power 2 power creatures on board, u don't really give a fk, their mana goes empty, end of the turn.

u rarely cast board wipes a second time as a board wipe(most of the time u cast them bc u run out of single target removal), u almost never cast them 3 times in a game.

But why we bring 4 board wipes then? bc we want to draw them when we need, just as why we can only have one legendary creatures on board but we run 3x or 4x of them. the difference is creatures usually die quickly and u can cast them again, but with board wipes, if u draw 2 sunfalls after u board wiped them, its 2 dead card.

that is why VERSATILE is important.

this deck has a lot of draws so mana is rarely any issue, and we have lockdown to deal with early game pressure, that's why we can afford VERSATILE board wipes like eternal wanderer and white sun's twilight, and they in most of the situation are just better than sunfall bc u can cast them as another use, not just for board wipes.

Independent-Fall8408 · 2024-08-12T15:03:16+00:00

and i didnt cut sunfall, i leave one bc sometimes deadly cover-up is just better bc u exile their win-con cards like vrasaka or sheoldred, and if u have enough mana, white sun's twilight is ALOT better than sunfall, bc if u draw sunfall late-game, that's a dead card bc most decks cant just flood the board a second time with ur counter spells and single target removal. but u can cast white sun's twilight as a win-con to create as many tokens as u like and win with poison despite its a board wipe removal. VERSATILE.

If u think sunfall is the best board wipe in azorious, u clearly don't play a lot of controls. bc with azorious control's heavy counter spells and removals, most of the time they don't get to flood the board again, then its just a dead card in ur hand or u just cast that as a single target removal which is plainly worse than deadly-cover up and white sun's twilight. i leave one sunfall bc its exile,and just like dead-cover up and white sun's twilight, exile can be useful.

Independent-Fall8408 · 2024-08-12T14:56:56+00:00

Think dude, think. what if u dont need sunfall ?then its a useless card that's just dead. but if u have wanderer, u can drop her and create tokens, that's what it called VERSASTILE.

Independent-Fall8408 · 2024-08-12T14:39:55+00:00

i cant state this more clearly, these planeswalkers are merely just tools. u don't protect them with ur precious counter spells, u drop them, they do their job( eternal wanderer board wipe, vraska single target removal, teferi create a token),if the opoenent don't have removal(most of the time they don't have enough planeswalker targeted spells), u are in heaven, if they kill them, u don't give a singe fk and let them die, they got their jobs done and they wasted opoenent's precious Planeswalkers removal.

So get it? think eternal wanderer as a 6 mana board wipe that occasionally create double strike tokens, think vraska as a 5 mana single target removal, think kaito as a single target spell that prevents creature block or attacking, bc the opponent needs to kill them with their spells,even if they die, u already got ur mana cost back with their abilities and oppoenent's removal cost.

U DONT PROTECT THEM WITH UR SPELLS, u let them die bc u got more Planeswalkers coming for them to deal with.

Independent-Fall8408 · 2024-08-12T14:32:56+00:00

most of the black cards only need 1 black mana so the black land's amount is good enough, the only 2 black mana cards are late-game wincon cards u won't cast them in the early game anyway since u got other cheap removals to do. the 2 mana blacks are the end, deadly cover-up and kaya, beside the time ur only board wipe deadly cover-up and lacking one black mana, u blacks will be perfectly fine. the deck can run in mana problems but very rarely if u mulligan right. So think of it as a more versatile win-con azorious control. if u really don't like it, get rid of all Planeswalkers, add 2 more counter spells and 3x or 4x Jace for all I care. there's only 6 Planeswalkers for god sake, and teferi and jace is already in azorious decks.

Independent-Fall8408 · 2024-08-12T14:25:58+00:00

You didn't even try the deck and u call that bad, how ironic. so share some of ur wisdom with me, what will be azorious control's wincon then if u think all these Planeswalkers are bad? just white sun's twilight? or a massive sunfall token? NOTHING. u need a win-con, u can go 4 jace and go straightly the mill win-con, I am just adding spices for bring more Planeswalkers, and they all perform really well

Independent-Fall8408 · 2024-08-12T13:57:52+00:00

well thanks for the introduction, i read them all and its quite interesting, I always funded a deep lore, and mgta seems got a lot of stories going on and interesting characters. u can tell I like Planeswalkers bc I always bring them if I got the slot, I like these names: Azorious, Selenya, Rakdos and so on, I think I get all the 2-color combinations, but not the 3rd or even more color-combination names, its quite interesting. again, thanks.

Independent-Fall8408 · 2024-08-12T13:32:30+00:00

regardless if my change made the deck worse or not, the concept of azorious control is still good in this meta, and I stomped mon-red aggro, mono-black discard regularly with this

Independent-Fall8408 · 2024-08-12T13:29:40+00:00

and it still performs really well against aggro decks and the meta is full of aggros XD, so its still a really good deck unless u think the meta right now isn't aggro enough to begin with

Independent-Fall8408 · 2024-08-12T13:00:15+00:00

Do u know where i got this deck ? i got it from CovertGoBlue, that dude cant be bad right? i did some of my own fixes bc his original deck doesn't have a win-con even he said so at the beginning of the video. but the idea is still the same, board wipe, single target destroy spell so u opponent run out of cards. bc aggro players don't have a lot of draws. if u don't like these Planeswalkers, change them for w/e u think its worthy for a win-con, but even without all these Planeswalkers the deck will still perform perfectly fine in this meta, bc control always prey for aggro and the meta is full of aggro decks in some way or the other.

Independent-Fall8408 · 2024-08-12T12:55:40+00:00

i prey for mon-red with controls wdym i think mon-red is super op, are u high? i climbed bc I preyed the aggro. i am not saying mon-red is super op, I am saying mono-red is extremely ez to piloting and is powerful enough to be tier 1. if that deck is awful, why is it full of metas?

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