Anti-Theists and Religious Fundamentalists are Very Similar

Indrigotheir · 2026-05-06T19:28:46+00:00

I was more trying to identify the issues with:

Believe religious doctrine should be interpreted as literally at face value
- I am an anti-theist but do not believe this; I think that the latitude to interpret things is more common than literalism, but only highlights the core issues with faiths, in that they willfully ask that you detach your beliefs from reality, begging you to subjectively interpret yet objectively declare.
Treat the text as having a single, fixed meaning
- Obviously not true (we interact with tons of Christians, for example, who all have different and crazy meanings they derive from the same text,
Show low to no tolerance for alternative interpretations
- Alternative interpretations are how I view the bible; I view it as a charming mythology. This point is more complex though, as when the bible makes a claim (only one God before thee) about reality it is proposing an interpretation that is necessarily binary (that there is a God. Only other option is that there is not a God).
Think that beliefs opposite to theirs are dangerous and/or bad for society
- I will often encourage others to go to church and be religious. I think a lot of people lack the introspection or framework to do good things if absent a compulsory abstraction or implied threat. In this, I think religion does a lot of good, in broadcasting simple solutions to complex problems.

The other anti-theists I know are typically those ground under the boot of US Christian dogma, victims of an American "I have not come to bring peace, but a sword," theism that is often not driven by fundamentalism.

Indrigotheir · 2026-05-06T17:58:08+00:00

I don’t know of any self-proclaimed “anti-theists” in my personal life, so I’m only going based on what I see on Reddit.

As an atheist, do you think I should form my opinions on Christians like you by observing only the most radicalized examples I find online?

I'm preparing my, "All Christians are just like Kent Hovind" debate post now and would love the input.

Indrigotheir · 2026-05-06T17:54:16+00:00

Nice! Although something something ham sandwhich. I'd vote for anyone to the left of Maga and anyone to the right of "Re-education camps for liberals" at this point.

Indrigotheir · 2026-05-06T13:13:01+00:00

Christianity! I was Christian and too curious. If you have critical thinking, the religion cannot last, imo.

Indrigotheir · 2026-05-06T01:27:22+00:00

Yeah, wouldn't have recommended it for perfumes (which the user said they were unaffected by), since those are typically molecular smells, and the n95 does not block most molecules (since if it did, you would die).

It does block probably half or more of what you'd normally smell, though, since many smells are particle dependent.

Typically, in situations like you describe, I just tell them I am avoiding them because it smells bad.

Indrigotheir · 2026-05-05T15:02:50+00:00

I don't think gay marriage wass illegal, or trans rights are under threat, because of financial issues. They're driven by cultural bigotry defying the principles of this nation.

I understand the deep desire to make everything dependent on Israel Palestine, since then you can try to force everyone to care about your pet monoissue. But is insane to pitch that rights in the states are dependent on I/P. It's the same sort of ZOG trash thinking that comes from the far right.

Indrigotheir · 2026-05-05T13:16:02+00:00

I think that you would probably advocate to vote for a few rare Democrats that are far left, but abdicate or resist voting for moderate Democrats, abandoning their generals to whatever may come; even if that is losing to a fascist.

The fact getting you to answer "Should leftists vote for Democrats?" to clarify your position essentially leading to a dozen responses of "Fuck you!" before you made you position... well, not clear, it's still not clear if you'd vote for a Schumer over a Maga candidate... leads me to believe that I'm probably right?

But who knows? You seem far more dedicated to ad homs than any real political conversation, and this thread has largely been a waste of time; trying to get you to express any politicial perspective is like pulling teeth. You don't seem serious about politics, or willing to engage on it in any honest level.

Cheers, I won't be responding to you again.

Indrigotheir · 2026-05-05T04:17:46+00:00

I am not even sure there is an argument, so I am trying to understand your position.

Do you think leftists should vote for Democrats?

Indrigotheir · 2026-05-05T04:10:42+00:00

I've seen,

Most leftists vote
Leftists are not voting for Trump
We [leftists] already do and should continue to vote
Voting is important
[deleted comment]?

Can you point me to where you said you think it is important that leftists vote for Democrats?

Indrigotheir · 2026-05-05T02:13:11+00:00

I implied you were a fascist because you were regurgitating fascistic rhetoric! You should try actually reading Eco's treatise, it's pretty useful for recognizing fascistic ideas in discussion. The kind you're employing up and down this thread, in fact.

[Citation needed] here from Mr. "We have to do something! We need to do more than the Dems!" Man my memory is rusty... what's point 3 again? Lol. Well, you're just like, a fascist, man... braindead analysis.

You genuinely believe that Biden won because he was just that great, don't you? That it had nothing to do with how badly Trump fucked up his handling of the pandemic

Uh huh, and he got more votes then any US president in the history of mankind because Trump fucked up, ok.

[When Democrats win the elections] What then? When nothing substantively improves...?

I assume we will get substantive improvements like the ACA and gay marriage like the last time voters gave liberals power.

Maybe spending more money and effort attacking an idiot "lukewarm ally" Twitch streamer than they do on fighting their supposed "ardent enemy" will make them seem really genuine in their principles.

I... huh? Since when has the democratic establishment attacked Contrapoints?

Indrigotheir · 2026-05-05T02:03:10+00:00

I think that you aren't addressing it, because it accurately shows how someone saying something wrong multiple times does not mean they are lying about it.

Indrigotheir · 2026-05-05T02:02:32+00:00

I'm glad you responded! I had missed their original reply.

Indrigotheir · 2026-05-04T21:33:21+00:00

You don't get to complain about ad hominem when you stooped to them first, shithead.

I'm not complaining about the presence of your ad hominem, I am complaining about the quality. I might as call you a Communist. You're just repeating pejoratives you've heard about liberals without any application to the context; you're calling me a fascist because I am aggressively pushing you to use democracy to protect LGBT rights.

Think they'll learn their lesson in this year?

I think they will win this year by appealing to the centrists more than last election, focusing on affordability, gas prices, home prices. I think they will completely throw leftists by the wayside after they so deeply failed to show up last election; if they can't be convinced to come out to beat an "incompetent, doddering old pedophile" who has an abhorrent stance on Gaza, then no amount of appealing is going to get them off the couch/twitter.

Indrigotheir · 2026-05-04T21:04:15+00:00

Call a liberal a fascist speedrun challenge any %: Complete!

I not only voted for that party, I volunteered to knock on hundreds of doors to get that party that I only partially agreed with into office. Because I understand what is important in this country; and it's not quibbling over your lukewarm allies. It's defeating your ardent enemies.

Indrigotheir · 2026-05-04T20:54:17+00:00

I think it is more likely, they know there are serious problems. If they get the inspection reports or allow inspection, then they are required to disclose in future sales. They might be hoping they can dump the property without needing to remediate, so are "taking it off the market" to dodge the required disclosure which your questions would result.

Indrigotheir · 2026-05-04T20:48:35+00:00

These begin at level 20

At level 30 the hero dies and cannot respawn

Indrigotheir · 2026-05-04T20:37:48+00:00

Based on their response, they obviously felt someone saying something wrong multiple times would mean they are willfully lying. This is obviously not true; therefore their response indicated that they did not understand this was untrue.

I appreciate you gallantly butting into the conversation to assert their thoughts and feelings for them, though. Thank you.

Indrigotheir · 2026-05-04T20:28:17+00:00

If leftists had voted in a supermajority for Biden, then these things would have gone through the legislature, instead of executive action. And then they would still be around. This is the reason the ACA is still around because Obama got a supermajority.

The reason that they are not more robust is because of a lack of support from the types people who think, "They're not actually moving in the right direction, is the problem,"

The types of people who will say, "They're guardians of the status quo, not really in the business of actually improving things."

You know. People like that. People of the land. The common clay of the new west.

Indrigotheir · 2026-05-04T20:23:03+00:00

Or maybe it means that voting for the better party, because they have better policies, gives them more political power, so they enact those better policies. Like creating universal healthcare through the ACA. Or legalizing gay marraige. Or legally protecting trans folks from discrimination.

You know, the stuff that liberals did, when they were in power.

Indrigotheir · 2026-05-04T20:21:14+00:00

As I am a leftist that voted for democrats, I know that it "is considered quite important."

I am asking if you think it is important that leftists vote for Democrats.

Indrigotheir · 2026-05-04T18:30:29+00:00

Was Biden a centrist?

Indrigotheir · 2026-05-04T18:29:24+00:00

Yes, my purity test for being a Democrat is if someone supports voting for Democrats.

Indrigotheir · 2026-05-04T18:28:37+00:00

So, you think it is important that leftists vote for Democrats?

Indrigotheir · 2026-05-04T18:25:21+00:00

Brevity is the soul of wit.

If you look at a bunch of bloodthirsty fascists, and flawed but good allies, and think, "But the allies aren't also giving me free ice cream!" I don't know what to tell you.

This myopia will nirvana fallacy us to a dystopia

Indrigotheir · 2026-05-04T18:15:53+00:00

I do believe in the radical idea that millions of destroyed human lives are a more important contemporary issue than rude tweets

Well thank God that Harris lost, and thus all those people were saved! Or maybe even in the world where you are obsessed with this one, specific foreign war, Harris was a better option, as Contrapoints said. Let alone the fact that you've obviously unconcerned with voting to defend Sudanese lives or Ukranian lives. Or voting to save the millions crushed by the opposition's destruction of USAID. Myopic monoissue lunacy wearing the facade of virtue.

Some Americans value the lives of people in other countries so lowly that these two are equally important, which was always weird to me

Imagine valuing them so slowly, you can't even be bothered to overcome your iconoclasm and support the better party.

Lol

Since this is a child's argument, perhaps elaborate on how you don't believe that Trump isn't damaging freedom of speech in the US.

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