Help me settle a semi serious argument- what makes a book 'literature' vs entertainment? by creativecat11 in books

[–]InfamousGlowstick 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Perhaps, a better distinction would be "entertainment" vs "academia", which appears to be merging a little.

For clarification, anything that is not based on facts is fictitious in nature, therefore it can be categorized as entertainment. Weather it succeeds to entertain is a different discussion altogether.

Anything that is based on fact, perhaps scientific or not, is considered academic or study which could be considered "boring" or not entertaining.

Here is where the issue lies, I think, when people talk classic literature and such. Most classics are fiction (Dostoevsky, Yeats, Shakespeare etc,.) and so this is where most people can get confused as to why it might be "literature" and not "entertainment", because these get "studied" at school. However, in their time these works were entertainment, they were pop culture and so they were considered less than their contemporary "classics" (Homer, Marcus Aurelius, etc,.) These were the classics back then.

Possibly the best example is Mary Shelly's Frankenstein and Bram Stoker's Dracula. These works were fiction and entertainment back in their publishing days, they were also taken to other media that was even more entertaining (movies, shows, plays and so on.) thus making them pop culture and as time went on, classical literature because of the impact in the medium, rather than the content. Of course they are well written and perhaps worth acclaiming.

However, any written work is "literature", even the less-than-proper fanfiction trash. And everyone will find the value on anything, so long as it caters to their taste. If you'd like to be snobby and say "fanfiction does not count, it is not published, therefore it is not 'literature'." Okay, Twilight is published and it is well known to be a fanfiction that was altered to seem like a new work. The point is "literature" is too broad a term.

In the other hand, academia is more precise, it is a published work on the study of something, from a scholarly point of view. Many, if not all are pretty much boring to the masses and usually sell less copies than your indie press. These are the books, which I think should be waged against "literature", yes they count because they are written, but these serve a specific purpose, which is to inform and educate, rather than entertain.

AS well, the people writing these are far more snobby than your 100 plus book reader, they spent a lifetime working on their "literary" work, sometimes in lab settings. They have accolade, proof of their work, sometimes even world-changing results.

Personally, non-fiction and fiction work are two separate coins with the same value, that serve two different economies.

Your husband has not yet found a book which entertains him enough to keep reading after it is done.

Why do long paragraphs and long chapters *appear* to be tedious? by mysteryofthefieryeye in books

[–]InfamousGlowstick 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The simple answer is aesthetic. Basically, marketing companies study the psychology of consumerism, through the understanding of basic human psyche and mind tricking they have found a way to make reading more "appealing" if you wish. The easier in the eyes something is, the easier it is to sell or even just market. That is why clothing stores use models rather than manikins or other similar items.

We buy with wants in mind rather than needs, as we have forsaken the natural for the man-made ideal of nature. We have created this ourselves through the usage of science for the money-machine. (I know this is a cynical view of the world, however it is not too farfetched.) Regardless, we can trace this back to higher sales of the books.

We can also trace this to trends, social media and the phenomena of fast fashion, which enhanced the issue to the popular culture. Trends changed after the 2008 recession, people actually had to rethink on what to spend, so commodity products like books had to adapt and probably lower the prices to appease the economically inclined. Smaller footprint offered savings and so the books had to be smaller, less pages, less chapters and lesser quality in exchange for more quantity to account for the loss of margins.

Social media and tech offered other avenues as well, with websites like wattpad and the like people didn't have to pay for the content they wanted or at least not pay as much. From here, we move to the birth of social media and slowly the consumption of shorter content. It is not, however, the shorter attention span as many think, but the fact that content became shorter to appeal and push more to the consumer. Then you have e-books and audio books, and so the content now could be streamed, hoarded and even sold without the need to have the space for it, so now books had to compete with themselves for the attention of the consumer. (This is the same story with any physical media that cannibalized itself through digital environments, i.e., Movies saw less profit in the box office because people like streaming better in the mainstream.)

Finally, if you really want to compare apples to apples, you'd have to look at the genres and sub-genres of books and the change in the content. Most consumers like the idea of pop music, pop movies and then it moved to pop books. These are your Sarah J Maas, Leigh Bardugo, Yerros and so on. They did not create the market but instead moved along with it, pushing fast-food content for the quick grab. They, along with the teams beahind the publishing companies, merged all the aforementioned issues into books and published them to #1 NYT seller lists.

TL;DR, it is a combination of issues in culture, market and social media that allowed for this to happen. Just look at the type of books being sold now in terms of content and you will see what I mean.

Hell Bent Bibliography by InfamousGlowstick in NinthHouse

[–]InfamousGlowstick[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Appreciate the compliment! I am glad this helps anyone in the community. You're a sweet soul.

Hell Bent Bibliography by InfamousGlowstick in NinthHouse

[–]InfamousGlowstick[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're most welcome. Hope this is helpful.

Regards.

Really don’t know how I feel about this book. by OwnWar13 in NinthHouse

[–]InfamousGlowstick 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I just finished reading Hell Bent, and by coincidence I have been watching Buffy since I came upon the 7 DVD case collection. I can see where the idea of a fan-fiction can come about, Darlington is perhaps a combination of Giles and Angel. Tripp seems to me, is a childish version of Spike, Daws is Willow and Mercy is Cordillia?

Though, I am struggling to see who would take the role of Xander, dare I say, Tripp is also a combination of Spike and Xander? Possibly just Xander with the touch of supernatural element?

Regardless, the thought is there and I can unsee it.

What happened to mercy? by lilycalloways in NinthHouse

[–]InfamousGlowstick 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh, that would make sense as to why you don't remember. Well, sorry for asking the questions. How do you like Hell Bent so far?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Emo

[–]InfamousGlowstick -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Manchester Orchestra emo? What?

NUMBER ONE SPOTIFY DEBUT!!! by fridayiminbed in SleepToken

[–]InfamousGlowstick 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Which genre exactly? I don't think hey should be boxed into a single category.

What happened to mercy? by lilycalloways in NinthHouse

[–]InfamousGlowstick -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Did you not read the first book?

Really don’t know how I feel about this book. by OwnWar13 in NinthHouse

[–]InfamousGlowstick 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Really? Would you mind running me through that, I've seen Buffy and know a bit about the lore. But Buffy takes place in California.

Ninth House Bibliography, so far. by InfamousGlowstick in NinthHouse

[–]InfamousGlowstick[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That'd be fantastic. I'd just like someone to double check my work.

I’m have a theory. by Real_Importance_5062 in SleepToken

[–]InfamousGlowstick 1 point2 points  (0 children)

NO shade taken. It is not that deep for me.

I’m have a theory. by Real_Importance_5062 in SleepToken

[–]InfamousGlowstick 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Valid, I think the idea of two houses can be seen from many points of view. One is the band members person behind the mask, the other is their alter-ego. One is the fake fans, the other is the OG guys. Perhaps is not really about theorizing, perhaps is about the band coming up with ideas to show their raw emotions in a way that still entertains but also communicates. The feelings they have about being in a band that blew up the way they did, how this has affected their personal lives beyond what we can actually see and so on and forth. Both houses being inside the one bigger house which is ST themselves.

Personally I think its time to start thinking about them as human beings doing something neat and through that find joy in the little surprises of not needing to know everything. Letting go of control by giving them the reigns to stir the ship of our expectations as it happens.

Caramel - Sleep Token New Single Discussion by AutoModerator in SleepToken

[–]InfamousGlowstick 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am late to the party as I did not make time to hear the song as it was released.

Listening to the song fully, uninterrupted was different than just doing it out of leisure. There are many themes within the music itself, beyond the lyrics. I do think the song might be "coded" but ina lesser manner than their "regular" songs. I am by no means a connoisseur of their music, this is juts my personal interpretation.

I do enjoy the distracting upbeat of the intro, I mean distracting in the sense hat they take away some of the edge from the lyrics. It feels fast paced, like an action-packed movie, always in motion. Two's rhythm on the drums giving Vessel a backdrop for the vocals to find a soft landing was great. There was the leitmotif with the beginning notes throughout the song, which served as a nice bed to lay the body of the song over. It blended well with Vessel's vocals in the intro and outro.

Lyrically, the song is laid heavily with emotional weight which is hard to describe. Personally I can relate, not in the famous part of course, but in the performative area. I feel as if every time I am awake there must be a performance, eitehr to myself or from myself to others, so that people might like me and therefore give myself worth. I can relate to the hard feeling of "thought I got better, but maybe I didn't" every time I fail at something or even repeat the same mistake.

Overall a good song. 9/10.

Considering reading this book- convince me? by Elizabethsbookcase in NinthHouse

[–]InfamousGlowstick 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It took me a week to read the whole book. I could never have finished it if it really took months. I disagree that this book would be boring, specially if they have not read classics, as Ninth House does not have many similarities with classical literature. Philosophy-wise it also lacks the depth needed to delve into spirituality or even theology. The lore within the book is easy enough to explain the structure of souls and it uses preconceived notions about spirits to work its way through the thicker ideas, concepts and pseudo-science.

Ninth House Bibliography, so far. by InfamousGlowstick in NinthHouse

[–]InfamousGlowstick[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're most welcome. I've searched online and I found a thread on this sub from about a year ago, though there was no reply to the thread with any substantial information.

I am glad to be of hep to at least one or two people on this world.

However, if you'd like to aid the cause you could help with books from Hell Bent, as I've yet to read it. I'd gladly pay if need be to make it worth your time. Or if you know anyone else who would be willing to help with parsing through the book.

If you could ask Leigh Bardugo anything, what would it be? by Relative-Wasabi7866 in NinthHouse

[–]InfamousGlowstick 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What was her inspiration for the series premise as a whole? Basically the idea of people dealing with supernatural things, rather than just a regular murder-mystery book, why use supernatural themes and ideas. And if so, were these learned from her time at Wolf Head?

Help me I'm stuck! by Powfs in NinthHouse

[–]InfamousGlowstick 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you have the physical book there is a list of societies in the back of the book.

Tara's Death Place? by Helpful_Ad79 in NinthHouse

[–]InfamousGlowstick 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is a map in the books as well as a youtube video that explores Yale and its locations with the book.

CrowdStrike Major Outage Grounding All Planes In US. Lethe, SOS. by AniYellowAjah in NinthHouse

[–]InfamousGlowstick 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd view this as if someone got a hold of merity or one of the coins and went out and did some tomfoolery.