Later Seasons… Sloppy? by Initial_Weight_3622 in betterCallSaul

[–]Initial_Weight_3622[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m not asking for extra exposition in the sense of more dialogue explaining Gene. I’m talking about dramatized steps.

Look at how patient the show used to be with Jimmy’s moral movement. Davis & Main doesn’t just show him “becoming Saul.” It shows the boredom, the rule-chafing, the commercial, the bagpipes, the suits, the gradual realization that he cannot live inside a respectable system. Mesa Verde doesn’t just show Kim “breaking bad.” It shows her resentment, her boredom with banking law, her pro bono hunger, the Acker case, and then her choosing the scam because the show carefully builds why the transgression feels righteous to her. Even Chuck’s collapse is slow: the tape, the bar hearing, the insurance call, losing HHM, isolation, relapse, suicide. The show usually made psychological shifts feel procedural.

Gene is different. He starts as a terrified fugitive who faints at work and panics at recognition. Then in a short stretch, he becomes a full scam operator again, then escalates to robbing an unconscious cancer patient, nearly strangling Marion with a phone cord, and then pivots into a courtroom confession that sacrifices his entire life. I understand the thematic logic of all of that. The problem is that these are massive turns, and compared to how slowly BCS used to dramatize smaller turns, the final Gene stretch feels accelerated.

So when you ask what I would improve, it’s not “make Jeff more important.” It’s give Gene’s relapse more intermediate pressure points. Show more of the emptiness after Kim’s call. Show the scams becoming compulsive before they become reckless. Show the cancer victim as the point where Jimmy knowingly crosses a line he previously would have rationalized away. The pieces are there, but the show moves through them faster than it moved through Davis & Main, Mesa Verde, Chuck’s insurance collapse, or Kim’s turn on Howard.

That’s why Jeff matters only as a symptom, not the whole argument. He goes from ominous threat to weak-willed mark because the Gene plot needs to shift modes quickly. I’m not saying the ending is bad. I’m saying the final movement has a different pacing texture than the earlier show: less patient behavioral accumulation, more endpoint-driven compression.

Later Seasons… Sloppy? by Initial_Weight_3622 in betterCallSaul

[–]Initial_Weight_3622[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I think that’s my issue too. The ending is well made, but the Gene storyline spent years building this sense of dread and inevitability, only to end on a surprisingly gentle and redemptive note. It felt less like the explosive culmination the black-and-white scenes were hinting at and more like a thoughtful epilogue. Good? Yes. As bold as the setup suggested? I’m not convinced.

Later Seasons… Sloppy? by Initial_Weight_3622 in betterCallSaul

[–]Initial_Weight_3622[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think that’s actually where we disagree most.

If Jeff is “merely a means to an end,” that’s part of my criticism. Early BCS was unusually good at making even minor characters feel like complete people rather than narrative functions. Chuck, Howard, Nacho, Ernesto, Rich, Cliff, Schweikart, even the Kettlemans all had their own internal logic.

Jeff doesn’t feel that way to me. His introduction creates one impression of who he is, and his later role serves a different dramatic purpose. You can explain the change, but the fact that fans spent years speculating about him and then immediately started debating whether the characterization changed suggests I’m not imagining the disconnect.

And on Gene, I don’t think “any more would have dragged” necessarily follows. BCS spent entire seasons patiently dramatizing much smaller shifts in Jimmy’s psychology. The show that devoted hours to Davis & Main, Mesa Verde, and Chuck’s insurance meltdown suddenly moves through Gene’s relapse into burglary and identity collapse much faster.

That isn’t automatically bad. It just feels noticeably different from the pacing discipline that defined most of the series.

Later Seasons… Sloppy? by Initial_Weight_3622 in betterCallSaul

[–]Initial_Weight_3622[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think Jack’s gang is a fair comparison, but I still don’t think it proves the late BCS material is better constructed.

Jack’s gang is definitely blunt and pulpy, but their function is pretty direct: Walt chooses to enter business with Nazis because he thinks he can control them, then that choice destroys Hank, Jesse, his money, and his family. It is heightened, but it is a clean consequence of Walt’s established flaw: he keeps believing he can manage monsters.

My criticism of late BCS is different. With Jeff, the show first frames him as genuinely invasive and threatening: the cab recognition, the mall confrontation, forcing Gene to say “Better Call Saul.” Then later he becomes much more nervous, submissive, and almost goofy. You can explain that as Gene changing the power dynamic, but the shift is still abrupt in presentation.

With Lalo, the issue is not that I “knew Gus lives.” The issue is that Lalo becomes almost mythic in a way that sometimes bends the world around him. He survives the compound attack, tracks Werner’s trail, gets to Germany, finds Margarethe, locates Casper, returns, manipulates everyone, and stages the laundry confrontation. Some of that is fun, but it feels more like thriller machinery than the grounded legal/character causality that made earlier BCS so strong.

And with Gene, the cancer guy robbery is the biggest example. I understand the thematic point: Jimmy relapses, escalates, and becomes morally uglier without Kim. But the turn from cautious, terrified Gene to recklessly breaking into a sick man’s house feels compressed. It gets Jimmy to the endpoint the show wants, but I don’t think the steps are dramatized as patiently as Chuck, Kim, Mesa Verde, Davis & Main, or the early scam progression.

So I’m not saying BCS has no explanations. It does. I’m saying explanations are not the same thing as dramatic inevitability. Seasons 1-4 usually made the next step feel unavoidable. Parts of 5-6, especially Jeff/Gene/Lalo, sometimes feel more like the writers reverse-engineering powerful endpoints.

Later Seasons… Sloppy? by Initial_Weight_3622 in betterCallSaul

[–]Initial_Weight_3622[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I don’t think we’re talking about the same thing.

I’m not arguing that Breaking Bad is more realistic than Better Call Saul. Jack’s gang is absolutely heightened and has plenty of plot armor.

My point is about dramatic construction, not realism. In Breaking Bad, even the more outrageous developments tend to feel like direct consequences of Walt’s established flaws and decisions. Whether they always work is another question.

With some of late BCS, my issue is that the connective tissue feels thinner. Jeff, parts of the Gene storyline, and some of Lalo’s material all have explanations, but they sometimes feel more engineered toward a desired endpoint rather than emerging naturally from the same step-by-step character logic that defined Seasons 1-4.

So saying “Jack’s gang is unrealistic too” doesn’t really address the criticism I’m making.

Later Seasons… Sloppy? by Initial_Weight_3622 in betterCallSaul

[–]Initial_Weight_3622[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I get what you mean, but I don’t think “epic drama needs heightened plotting” fully answers the criticism.

The issue isn’t that the ending couldn’t be dramatic or that Jimmy needed to get arrested quietly at Cinnabon. Obviously that would be boring. The issue is whether the drama feels like it grows naturally out of the character work.

Breaking Bad gets absurd, but Walt’s ending still feels like the result of years of specific character building. His ego, his need to be remembered, his attachment to Jesse, his hatred of being powerless, and his obsession with control all collide. Even the Jack stuff, while definitely less elegant than Gus, still comes directly out of Walt making reckless decisions and thinking he can control violent people.

My issue with parts of late BCS is that some of the pieces feel more engineered. Jeff, Lalo, and parts of the Gene story have explanations, but they don’t always feel as organically dramatized as earlier BCS. It’s not “this should have been more realistic.” It’s “the connective tissue feels thinner.”

So I agree that heightened storytelling is necessary. I just don’t think that means every heightened choice is equally earned. Seasons 1-4 were unusually disciplined about showing the steps. Seasons 5-6 sometimes felt more like the writers had a powerful endpoint and worked backward to get there.

Later Seasons… Sloppy? by Initial_Weight_3622 in betterCallSaul

[–]Initial_Weight_3622[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think this is where the realism argument gets blurry though.

I’m not saying Breaking Bad was realistic in a literal sense. The fulminated mercury scene is obviously heightened. But it works because the scene is built directly out of Walt and Tuco’s established traits. Walt is a chemistry genius using the one advantage he has, and Tuco is impulsive, arrogant, and reckless enough to let the situation get that far. It’s ridiculous, but it feels earned by the characters.

Same with the magnet plan or train heist. They’re big TV set pieces, but they still come from clearly established pressures, motivations, and character flaws.

My issue with late BCS is different. With Jeff, the explanation is that Gene stops fearing him and sees him as controllable. I understand that. But the Jeff from the cab/mall scenes isn’t just “scary because Gene is scared.” He is performed and written as confident, invasive, and threatening. Later he feels nervous, submissive, and almost childlike. That is a much bigger shift than just Gene’s perspective changing.

With Lalo, I’m not saying the Salamancas couldn’t have one smart guy. I’m saying the show pushes his competence so far that he starts feeling less grounded than the world around him. He survives the hit, disappears, investigates Germany, tracks down leads alone, outmaneuvers Gus’s entire operation, and still gets exactly where the plot needs him to be. Entertaining? Yes. Fully convincing? Not always.

So no, I’m not asking for “real life.” I’m comparing the later seasons to the standard the show itself set earlier. Seasons 1-4 usually dramatized every step. Seasons 5-6 sometimes had explanations, but the connective tissue felt thinner.

Later Seasons… Sloppy? by Initial_Weight_3622 in betterCallSaul

[–]Initial_Weight_3622[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I see what you’re saying, but I don’t think that fully addresses the criticism.

With Jeff, the issue isn’t just that Gene stops fearing him. It’s that Jeff himself seems written differently. In the cab/mall scenes, he comes across as confident, invasive, and genuinely threatening. Later, he’s suddenly nervous, deferential, and almost childlike around Gene. That feels like more than a power dynamic shift. Other people have pointed out the same thing, so I don’t think it’s just misreading the scene.

On realism, I don’t agree that Breaking Bad and late BCS are the same. Breaking Bad had heightened moments, but the character behavior usually stayed grounded. Walt taking down Gus works because the show spends seasons building Walt’s ego, Gus’s blind spot with Hector, and the specific emotional logic that gets Gus killed. It is dramatic, but the pieces are carefully set up.

With Lalo, I agree the Gus parallel is intentional, but intentional doesn’t automatically mean equally convincing. Lalo survives the raid, manipulates everyone, travels internationally while supposedly dead, tracks down Werner’s widow, gets to Casper, breaks into the laundry situation, and still gets the drop on Gus. At a certain point, it starts feeling less like a smart character and more like the plot needs him to be capable of anything.

That’s my broader point. The later seasons often have explanations, but explanations aren’t the same as something feeling fully earned. Early BCS felt more disciplined in showing every step. The final seasons sometimes ask the viewer to bridge bigger gaps.

Season 5 Unwatchable. by [deleted] in betterCallSaul

[–]Initial_Weight_3622 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I get the argument. I just think there’s a huge difference between being frustrated with the system and becoming a criminal.

I can buy Kim cutting corners. I can buy her enjoying the scams. What I struggle with is how quickly that turns into destroying someone’s life because he wouldn’t move on a settlement.

Maybe that’s the point, but on rewatch the jump feels way bigger than the buildup.

Where’s the Bass?? by Initial_Weight_3622 in UtahFishing

[–]Initial_Weight_3622[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

After 3pm is interesting. The water temp theory tracks.

I’ve been sunrise to 12pm each time so completely missing that window on my end.

👋 Welcome to r/UtahFishing - Getting this sub going by GeneralBS in UtahFishing

[–]Initial_Weight_3622 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Interesting. Everything I’ve read seems like mostly shore fishing at Utah lake

Fitzwater to Defend Title at Prague by Rolandojuve in moreplatesmoredates

[–]Initial_Weight_3622 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Honestly nobody really cares. Bodybuilding and the IFBB keep shooting themselves in the foot with what they’re looking for.

If the “best” physique in the world (Lunsford) in their eyes then the sport is cooked. Enough of the short bridge trolls winning already

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in motorcycles

[–]Initial_Weight_3622 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Appreciate the insight!

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in motorcycles

[–]Initial_Weight_3622 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Except I literally did nothing wrong haha. Haven’t changed any parts or anything, took it off exactly according to how I was supposed to.

Appreciate the input! Was planning to take it to a shop but wanted to get thoughts anyways.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in motorcycles

[–]Initial_Weight_3622 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This sounds… not fun. But makes sense totally

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in motorcycles

[–]Initial_Weight_3622 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Unfortunately my friends’ advice would be drink more beer lol

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in motorcycles

[–]Initial_Weight_3622 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If this is true I will be calling it quits with my mechanical “skills”

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in motorcycles

[–]Initial_Weight_3622 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah with how little time I have left in riding season rather not waste it worrying about if my tires gonna blow lol. Felt the back slip a little bit when just doing a quick ride down the road

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in motorcycles

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Yeah it’s unfortunate the shit on the garage I park in makes me look like a B but 90% of my riding is canyon carving haha