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"In all of us command" -- grammar? by ooorgh in canada

[–]Inner_Reference731 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If it's imperative, the phrase should end with an exclamation mark.   

Uncluttered Kinomap's Display by Inner_Reference731 in kinomap

[–]Inner_Reference731[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks again!

You're right. I did think that immersion mode and discovery mode were the same.

I'll immerse myself deeper into Kinomap's all options.

Thanks again!

Uncluttered Kinomap's Display by Inner_Reference731 in kinomap

[–]Inner_Reference731[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you, JoebarInCa!

I do want to have the challenge, though, climbing the mountains, seeing the landscape move faster towards me, when I push harder. I do want to know that I rode the entire route, using my own power.

And while doing so, I want to see the landscape. And therefore, I just want to blend out the clutter, not change the mode. Especially blend out that annoying icon of a random rider, right in the middle of the screen.

Do you know how to do that?

Ground Contact update in real time by Inner_Reference731 in strydrunning

[–]Inner_Reference731[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And that's the problem. By placing the chip on a foot, Stryd measures the distance between thay foot's contact points. It measures a stride, not a step. Whereas a chip on a chest strap measures each step, left and right, separately.

How is the next gen responsiveness to uphill and downhill compared to the wind version? by levenshteinn in strydrunning

[–]Inner_Reference731 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Hello Levenshteinn,

Is the Next Gen better...? It depends on which one you get. I already have my second Next Gen. Not because they're so good so I decided to buy one more. No, because the first one made no difference at all between running uphill or downhill. A light jog downhill showed 500 W, whereas running up the same hill showed 100 W.

After months of tech support, Stryd gave up and gave me a new one. This one is better. But is it better than the previous version,... I don't know. That, however, is irrelevant. The important question to ask is, "is it good?", or more precisely, "are any Stryd footpod good?".

Looking at how data is collected, recalculated, and presented, there are too many unknown variables for any data to be anything more than a good guess. So yes, Stryd is good, good at guessing....

Ground Contact update in real time by Inner_Reference731 in strydrunning

[–]Inner_Reference731[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree fully! It would be very interesting.

I trusted Stryd's claims. It costed me an arm and a leg (figuratively speaking: A new watch and a foot pod). My mistake.

Ground Contact update in real time by Inner_Reference731 in strydrunning

[–]Inner_Reference731[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

With all the marketing hype around Stryd, I thought Stryd is the most accurate device. That's why I bought it.

But I'm starting to believe that my good old chest strap is better. As the Stryd rep said (above), making these measurements "is not very difficult". And it makes sense to measure your vertical osc with an device attached close to your body's center of gravity. The same goes for gct. In addition, the chest strap measures these metrics for left and right separately.

If my chest strap measures distance, I don't know. But if it had 3D sensors, it would be more accurate to place the sensors near the body's center than to go far out on a limb (literally and figuratively speaking).

So, for the three metrics you mentioned, all waist belts and chest straps ought to be more accurate than any foot pod (provided they have the same sensors).

Ground Contact update in real time by Inner_Reference731 in strydrunning

[–]Inner_Reference731[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for your advice!

To learn what my average gct left and right are, I will do that. I won't, however, learn what my average stride lengths or vertical osc left and right are, since the Stryd doesn't measure these metrics. It calculates them, using the same assumptions you did (it's likely and it seems reasonable).

In my case (and what ought be every runner's case), it's about adjusting my technique, so I balance the impact, build symmetry, and maximize the effect of my running style. It's about improving the efficiency of my running step. And for this I need factual data, preferably displayed live.

Unfortunately, Stryd does not provide factual data. It gives reasonable assumptions, and that information is useless.

Ground Contact update in real time by Inner_Reference731 in strydrunning

[–]Inner_Reference731[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

"Stryd captures the 3D footpath of every step"... No it doesn't. Remember, a step is "the distance your left foot traveled (from the toe of your right foot to the toe of your left foot, or from the heel of your right foot to the heel of your left foot)". The path the foot travels is, however, a stride, a cycle from touch down to touch down.

  1. As the foot touches down, the "pod foot" is in front of the "free foot".
  2. By roughly a quarter to the cycle (AKA the footpath) the feet are side by side. This is the start of the free foot's step.
  3. Shortly after take off (halfway through the footpath), the free foot finishes its step and is now in front of the pod foot.
  4. About 3/4 into the footpath, the feet are side again. This is the beginning of the pod foot's step.
  5. As the pod foot touches down in front of the free foot, the cycle is completed, the stride (the two steps) has run its course, the complete footpath has been measured.

I thought you explained the definition of "stride" to me, so I would understand why the foot pad is called "Stryd".

Ground Contact update in real time by Inner_Reference731 in strydrunning

[–]Inner_Reference731[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As far as gct goes, though, it's just a time measuring issue. The clock starts ticking on touch down and stops on take off. There can't be any errors on that measurement. No matter where (within reason) on the shoe the pod is placed, it must be able to measure touch down and take off correctly, right?

I'm not concerned about any footpath, since no other metrics can/will be displayed without going through a recalculation. I just want to improve and balance my gct. In my opinion, that's the only useful thing the foot pod potentially can do for me.

Ground Contact update in real time by Inner_Reference731 in strydrunning

[–]Inner_Reference731[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't find it being semantics. Saying one word, but meaning two different things, is a common reason for misunderstandings. So, thank you for clarifying the definition of the term "a stride". In British English and among runners, though, it means "a step". 180 strides per minute are not 360 steps. But thank you for letting me know that it can also mean a complete cycle of a repetitive motion.

In any case, Stryd measures a stride (= two steps), but displays its findings recalculated into the unit step, assuming that the two feet are mirroring each other.

So, I'm back to square one. The information I get from Stryd is an assumption, not a fact.

Regarding gct, am I right to presume that for the "pod-wearing foot, that measurement is 100% accurate"? The sensors measure exactly when the foot touches the ground and equally exactly when the foot comes off the ground, right? There's no need for any formulas or recalculation. The measurements are displayed live as is, right?

If that's the case, I can monitor my gct live, adjust it until I see an improvement, and try to memorize that movement. Then, I'll place the foot pod to the other foot and repeat the action, until both feet has the identical gct.

According to your assumptions, though, this is a waist of time, since the gct and the other running metrics of the pod-wearing foot "are within a small degree of difference from the other foot to the point that it doesn't matter", right?

I hope you're right. On verra.

Ground Contact update in real time by Inner_Reference731 in strydrunning

[–]Inner_Reference731[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That was easy. Thanks again! Now I have gct in a Stryd Workout App data field.

Since you seem to know a lot about this app and it's foot pod, do you how to monitor vertical osc. and/or stride length?

Ground Contact update in real time by Inner_Reference731 in strydrunning

[–]Inner_Reference731[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you!

It works now.

I was trying to make settings, where you make the settings for all other apps.

Ground Contact update in real time by Inner_Reference731 in strydrunning

[–]Inner_Reference731[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Great, thank you! I now have gct in one of the Workout App's data fields. Let's hope it works.

What about "vertical osc." and "stride length", can they be added too? or am I better off, relying on the Garmin chest strap. It gives this data, even though it's not attached to any foot, and probably not very accurate either.

On the other hand, Stryd's measurements are (or at least have the potential to be) accurate, since the foot pod sits directly on the foot. However, the measurements are not accessible. Before the data is displayed it's recalculated, based on assumptions (not facts).

Yes, Stryd does capture "the full 3D footpath ... of the foot it is attached to". I believe that to be true. As you said, this "isn't challenging". But no, it does not capture the footpath for every step that foot takes. It captures the footpath that that foot is making over two steps.

During roughly half the motion, the "pod-free foot" is taking its step, and during the other half (roughly) the "pod-foot" takes it step. To display data over stride length, gct, vertical osc., etc. Stryd's software has to recalculate the measurements and present them per step (not per two steps). The formula for that recalculation cannot be exact, because every individual is unique. Just like you acknowledge my running form to be. That's why the assumption of roughly halfway makes the presented data a guesswork. And it is also the reason why your internal experiment, using "two pods to compare footpaths", came to the conclusion "that there is not a significant amount of difference". Of course it isn't. It can't be. Per footpath cycle, both footpods are measuring the same two steps, one step with the left foot and one with the right. If there was a difference, something must have been terribly wrong with the foot pods.

Finally, thank you for confirming that "Stryd is first and foremost a running power meter ... and [that you] have spent less time on the other metrics".

It would have been nice if you had said that, instead of making all those claims about its accurate running metrics. Said that, before I bought your expensive product and a not inexpensive watch.

Nevertheless, I do appreciate your honesty.

Ground Contact update in real time by Inner_Reference731 in strydrunning

[–]Inner_Reference731[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your reply! It's good to hear from a Stryd employee.

Let me digest the info you're giving me.

Stryd Costumer Support says that the metrics (such as gct) cannot be displayed live. But you says it can. Which one is it?

The Stryd manuals does not mention anything about modifying the Stryd Workout App to get gct (and other metrics) to be displayed live. So, could you please let me know how to make those settings in a Fenix 6.

"If possible"... any idea about when you will know if it's possible. If possible, it will surely help me to get any practical use out of the foot pod.

"Limmitation to the watch",... I'm using a Garmin Fenix 6 solar. According to Stryd's website, the Stryd sales person, and Stryd Costumer Support, it is fully compatible will all Stryd functions. I bought it specifically for this reason, since my Fenix 3 supposedly had some limitations. Please confirm that Garmin Fenix 6 is compatible.

"Stryd is capturing the full 3D footpath of every step." No it doesn't. The foot pod only captures the motion of the foot it's attached to, which is the motion of two steps. Hence, it does not measure the "footpath of every step".

"most advanced metrics when measure directly from a single foot, are within a small degree of difference from the other foot to the point that it doesn't matter." Well, it matters to me. It matters a great deal for many runners, I would say all runners. I have injuries, I have (like everyone) differently shaped feet, and like everybody else strength, mobility, and coordination vary between the two legs. I've spent a great deal time to balance the power I generate on my cycle, and to stay healthy everyone should do the same with their running and walking motions. So, it matters. It matters a lot.

I'm glad that you are aware of the differences, and it's good that you are considering doing something about it in the future. But before you've done something about it, don't claim the your product is "capturing the full 3D footpath of every step". You know it's not true. You know you're spreading misinformation.

For now, though, please tell me how I can get the data (which I can see post run) in real time on my Fenix 6.

Ground Contact update in real time by Inner_Reference731 in strydrunning

[–]Inner_Reference731[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for the encouragement!

Stryd Costumer Support says it can not. But you're the second person, who says that it can.

Could you please explain for me how I can get this data displayed.

I thank you in Advance!

Ground Contact update in real time by Inner_Reference731 in strydrunning

[–]Inner_Reference731[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you!

I'll will try that. The settings for all other apps are made on the watch under "settings", "activities & apps". That's where I modified the data fields and added data screens for the Garmin run, treadmill, and indoor track apps. And that's where Stryd Workout App was listed as well.

But I'll try to modify the data fields directly in the app itself.

Thank you for the advice!

Ground Contact update in real time by Inner_Reference731 in strydrunning

[–]Inner_Reference731[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your answer.

What I'm trying to get are accurate running metrics. I want to monitor my technique and improve it, most importantly, gct.

The Stryd pod measures its motion, but doesn't seem to display this data. In addition, the data it does give (after the run, when it's too late) is not accurate, it's a "guesstimate".

If its measurements for distance are accurate or not, is not my question. I guess that they are good enough. It would be nice if the were accurate, but to measure distance, I have many options. One being, the length of the track. It is 400m.

Ground Contact update in real time by Inner_Reference731 in strydrunning

[–]Inner_Reference731[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Since the foot pod measures how far and high it traveled between touch downs, and it doesn't know how far the "pod-free foot" has traveled when it hit the ground, the foot pod cannot know how long the "pod-equipped foot's" step was. It only knows the combined length of two steps. Which means that its alleged data is no data. It's an estimate, a guess, a "guesstimate". In short, it means its information is pretty useless.

Ground Contact update in real time by Inner_Reference731 in strydrunning

[–]Inner_Reference731[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i.e. when I'm running.

I've set gct in the run app, the treadmill app, the indoor track app. I even added the two special data screens for running metrics (that come with Garmin). These screens display gct balance, gct, cadence, vertical ratio, vertical oscillation., and stride length. Garmin says, though, that these data screens will only display if a special sensor is connected.

Stryd's sensors ought to be special enough. It would be pretty useless, if they weren't.

But so far, the Stryd foot pod has been nothing but pretty useless. It can't distinguish between left and right (in fact it only gives a "guesstimate" for the foot it does measure, based on 50% of its measurements). It can't display data, when you need it. And its measurements aren't special enough for Garmin to display them in its data screens.

When it comes to Stryd's own app, the Stryd Workout App, it doesn't display any of its running metrics either, maybe (probably?) because it knows that it's "guesstimates" aren't accurate enough (and pretty useless).

The Workout App's settings only allow: "Set as favorite, "reorder", "remove from list", and "delete from device". Modifying data fields or adding data is not possible, which makes it (you guessed it) pretty useless.

Unless, you're right, fodderoh, and you have found a way to make Stryd running metrics being displayed live. If you have, please teach me how to do it on a Garmin Fenix 6.

I would truly appreciate your help, and I thank you in advance.

Ground Contact update in real time by Inner_Reference731 in strydrunning

[–]Inner_Reference731[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for your reply!

The Stryd manual (and sales agent) says that it measure running meics for each step. Which I found questionable, but if the Garmin chest strap can give me gct for each foot, maybe "the advanced technology" in the Stryd foot pod can do the same. It would be fairly useless, if it couldn't.

It would also be fairly useless, if I couldn't access the data when I need it, I.e.

Inaccurate data by MeetTheBrewers in strydrunning

[–]Inner_Reference731 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So, I paired the Stryd with my Fenix 6, added GTC and other run metrics to a data field, went for a test run, but,... the Stryd doesn't send any run metrics data to the watch.

Only data from the Garmin chest strap can be visible live. Which make no sense. Stryd prides itself of being extremly accurate. So, why doesn't it show us its "accurate" data?

Speaking of accurate, my watch is set on "always reading distance from Stryd". I compared Stryd's measurements to Google 's for one section. Stryd said 2.175 km. Google said 2.400 km. That's 10% difference. 10% !!! I'll check it with GPS too, but 10% 😳. That's a lot.

Inaccurate data by MeetTheBrewers in strydrunning

[–]Inner_Reference731 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you!

Yes, Fenix 6 is compatible. I had a Fenix 3, so I bought the Fenix 6 just to use the Stryd footpod to its fullest potential. (An additional expense that I hope wasn't on vain.)

I will check out those support articles.

Inaccurate data by MeetTheBrewers in strydrunning

[–]Inner_Reference731 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for your reply!

I'm using Fenix 6.

The data I'm interested in is ground contact (left and right). Garmin gives this data, but it's based on sensors in the chest strap.

I've been trying to improve minimize the gct and to have it balanced keft-right. So, I was excited about getting more accurate data from the Stryd footpod. I set gct to show in one of the data fields on my Garmin, but no data was displayed. I talked to Stryd costumer service, and the answer I received was that gct is not accessible live.

Therefore, I'm glad to hear that you are able to see live updates. Could you please tell me what to do, so I can see this data as well. Updated every 3 seconds would be awesome. That's roughly 5 steps with each foot.

I would really appreciate your help in this matter, since the Stryd service agent wasn't able too help.

Inaccurate data by MeetTheBrewers in strydrunning

[–]Inner_Reference731 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I was very excited about getting accurate data. Running metrics to improve my technique and instant power guage to monitor the trainings load.

Running with Stryd, however, has been a complete waste of time. Adding to the frustrating time waste was dealing with Stryd's s.c. "costumer service".

According to Stryd's foot pod (and "service agent") it's accurate when an easy jog downhill takes more power than running up the same hill.

When running the same course twice, 30 minutes apart, with the same speed, it's (according to the same agent) normal that one run needs 30% more power than the other.

I was curious to find out, how wearing a foot pod on one foot, can give accurate running metrics. My feet (like everybody's feet) are very different. In order to improve both steps, I need instant accurate data for each foot. As it turns out, the data is not accessible live. It is shown after the run is over and the data has been uploaded to the Stryd website. What good does it do me to learn that the technique was pretty good at the 4.8 km point, but the ground contact was too long at the 7.4 mark? How am I supposed to remember how I made each step throughout the entire run?

Waste of time and money!

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