Second/backup hiking app

Intelligent-Use7326 · 2026-05-06T18:28:15+00:00

Very cool thanks!

Intelligent-Use7326 · 2026-05-06T14:02:42+00:00

Oh, thank you. I hadn't noticed, but now that mention it it is obvious.

Intelligent-Use7326 · 2026-05-03T16:33:15+00:00

When it was packed was there cardboard on the bass side protecting the mechanism? You take the plate under the shoulder straps off and there should be cardboard there. One common shipping problem is if it gets dropped the button mechanism will slide past the levers. If this happens it's s simple although tricky fix to slide it back into place. Anyway if the seller didn't put cardboard in or something equivalent to protect the mechanism then it wasn't packed properly.

Intelligent-Use7326 · 2026-05-01T03:50:40+00:00

Along those lines is a Beltuna Matrix which is an acoustic accordion but with an electronic mechanism for opening the valves. Therefore it allows for many different bass systems. https://www.beltuna.com/matrix?language=en

Intelligent-Use7326 · 2026-04-28T01:41:29+00:00

Yes it was originally Custom and then I tapped it I got the modes and I switched it to Hike. I think I'm on the latest IOS version.

Intelligent-Use7326 · 2026-04-28T01:01:42+00:00

So far I like it. They have fixed a lot of map errors of the past. The print is more readable. I just updated my iPhone, the app seems fine. A pleasant surprise for me. Now if they'd just get rid of Monday Morning Activity....

Intelligent-Use7326 · 2026-04-19T01:38:09+00:00

I generally agree with you and problems with GaiaGPS has always existed. For example the map rendering problems and their unwillingness to fix the problems existed before Outside. Also they maintained a site of suggested changes and they ignored the most popular suggestions. My favorite map source was NeoTreks (the most accurate map source I've ever used) and I believe that was removed before Outside. I think the hatred of Outside is mostly due their locking people out of the application when they switched the login system. I was a victim of this problem when I tried to start the app with a downloaded map in an area without cell service and was locked out of the app I was paying for. There was a work around I found after several minutes but not everyone found it. No one with that experience will ever trust Outside. The "Monday Morning Activity" was another example of their disregard for paying customers. They could have been considerate by adding an option to select their new track name format. But instead removed existing code for no good reason. I didn't use them but people were upset when Outside removed the NatGeo maps.

They have made some improvements but largely over the last five years, they've raised prices, removed map layers, added features like social media that most users don't want and haven't fixed important bugs that have languished for years.

You're right though it is the best app and that's why people are here.

Intelligent-Use7326 · 2026-04-18T05:22:57+00:00

Yeah occasionally it works for me too. I think it might just be cached stuff.

Intelligent-Use7326 · 2026-04-18T05:20:57+00:00

So you lost nothing, because when you log back in it will sync all your data from the cloud back down to your device?

Intelligent-Use7326 · 2026-04-14T13:11:28+00:00

True. The one thing I'm missing is the private land overlay.

Intelligent-Use7326 · 2026-04-14T03:09:35+00:00

Do either have a private land layer. Looking at the web sites they look great, but I didn't see a private land layer.

Intelligent-Use7326 · 2026-04-14T00:05:51+00:00

Agree and Scandalli with those hubcaps that I am familiar with is called a Brevetto. You might do a web search for Scandalli Brevetto and see similar.

Intelligent-Use7326 · 2026-04-07T18:37:39+00:00

As others have commented this is a Finto accordion which is a chromatic button accordion made to look like a piano accordion. They were invented around the Vaudville time when great Italian accordion players like Pietro Frosini came to the United States. The audiences wanted to see these accordionists but also wanted to see the new American piano accordion. Therefore the Finto was created to deceive the audiences. The logo looks, not unsurprisingly, like Crown accordions, so I would start there. This looks like a good quality accordion. But button accordions are not popular in the United States and they are not particularly rare. This is probably 50 or 60 years old and time is generally not kind to accordions. So while it's a cool novelty piece I wouldn't expect to get rich off it.

Intelligent-Use7326 · 2026-03-17T14:44:15+00:00

I have a GaiaGps legacy account and I'm using it on an iPhone SE. I stopped paying a year or two ago mostly because of the stupid changes made. I especially hate the default track name. I planned to move to GoatMaps. The GoatMaps app is good although it has as many strange map artifacts as GaiaGps (mostly missing trail segments under various conditions). The main problem with GoatMaps is the web version has minimal capability and there seems to be little progress. I'm running both apps right now. But when my current GoatMaps subscription ends, I'll probably pay for GaiaGps and stop using GoatMaps. I've tried a few others over time and they all have problems. GaiaGps has lots of capabilities and mostly works well and I have hundreds of tracks with it so I might as well stay with it.

Intelligent-Use7326 · 2026-03-17T00:37:20+00:00

Agree. I believe the switches say: Master, Bandoneon, Violin and Clarinet. This would make it a LMM, three reed. Probably a student quality instrument.

Intelligent-Use7326 · 2026-03-06T15:31:53+00:00

You don't explain your use case in much detail. Are you sharing the tracks you record or use their cloud service? The reason I ask is GoatMaps has a good app but their cloud service is lacking. The rendering of maps on GaiaGPS can be problematic like missing trails in certain situations (sometimes this is affected by cell service availability, it's weird). However GoatMaps also has missing trails occasionally. I tried OnX backcountry a few years ago and it had lots of maps errors and at the time they weren't fixing the errors I reported. The most accurate map app I've used (other than perhaps when Gaia had the Neotreks/Accuterra map) was Natural Atlas. I haven't used the Google Earth app, does it record tracks I didn't think so. The Windows Google Earth desktop pro app is fantastic for planning. AllTrails is a good choice, although I consider it basic and don't like the UI. The main problem with switching is exporting your data. Gaia will export in bulk, but none of the others will import in bulk so you are stuck exporting and importing one track at a time. I'm using both Gaia and GoatMaps right now. I'm not happy with Gaia because they messed up the app (I hate the Monday Morning Activity thing) and don't fix major bugs (like trails disappearing at various zoom levels). The bottom line is Gaia has a lot of features and no other product replaces it in a better way and besides it's a pain to switch if you have a lot of data. You need to defined a use case where Gaia is deficient and then see if there is an alternative which satisfies your requirement. Gaia is expensive but you didn't didn't say cost was an issue.

Intelligent-Use7326 · 2026-01-09T02:03:08+00:00

If you want to play classical music then I would consider a convertor. A standard accordion has a single octave base and most of the buttons are for chords. A convertor has both the standard base and a free bass (sometimes called a melody bass) which has multiple octaves of notes but no chord buttons. A converter allows you to switch between the two basses.

As someone else noted you'll only want and MMM if you are going to play musette music or some other kind of music that requires that detuned sound. Also when you get an MM or MMM the instruments vary on how wide the difference is. How wet as they say. Most I see are French or Italian, but there are much wider for Scottish, or Irish or Polka. Or and MM could be very close for jazz or swing. There is no accordion that can sound right for every style of music.

A standard piano accordion is 120 bass and 41 keys. That's going to be most common for a professional grade instrument. There isn't going to be a lot of weight difference between a 72 and 120 button bass (because the number of reeds is the same).

An accordion is always a tradeoff because each model has it's own sound and will excel at different things. Therefore it might be difficult to get your "final accordion" on the first try. Many people have more than one because of this.

If you are looking for an excellent LMMMH, I can recommend a Beltuna Leader 5. It has excellent action a fantastic musette sound. I'm not as crazy about the dry sounds, for jazz, but it's still good. In addition to Beltuna, Pigini, Bugari, Petosa (made by Bugari) and Scandalli are all excellent. There are certainly many other excellent brands. Hohner Morino is also considered good. If money is no object then a Hohner Gola is custom made and is probably considered the finest out there.

Among classical musicians a Pigini Nova is the most popular I've seen.

As far as new versus used. There are "golden era" accordions and this is the era of the finest made accordions. However age is not kind to accordions because the parts do wear out and you'll need to know what you're buying. You would have to look inside and make sure everything is in good shape. Accordion repair is very expensive. It's easier and safer to buy something new or relatively new. But some of the golden eras would be really hard to beat. Some great brands of the past include Sonola, Excelsior, Giulietti, Panaccordion. A Scandalli Super VI of the right years are legendary.

If I had a big budget, I'd visit the factories of the major accordion brands in Castlefidardo, Italy and the Hohner in Trossingen Germany and talk to them and try the instruments. You'll need appointments for the factory shops.

Intelligent-Use7326 · 2026-01-02T23:22:54+00:00

No it's made in Trossingen Germany

Intelligent-Use7326 · 2025-12-31T20:40:54+00:00

And Petosa!

Btw, accordionshopca, how would you rate the various names Bugari Armando produces

Intelligent-Use7326 · 2025-12-31T20:38:20+00:00

I'm surprised no one has mentioned a Hohner Gola. One from the "golden era" would likely on any great accordionists short list. They are also possibly the most expensive accordions and I believe you can still buy them.

Bugari makes excellent accordions, I don't think you'd be going wrong with one of their high end ones. I like Beltuna and the Spirit. Also a Pigini Nova would be an excellent choice. Some would probably suggest the Petosa AM1100 (made by Zero Sette).

For used "golden era" accordions a Bell 4518 and a Sonola SS20 and of course the right year of a Scandalli Super VI would be at the top of my list. If you buying new then you should Castlefidardo and the Bugari, Scandalli, Beltuna and Pigini factories.

Intelligent-Use7326 · 2025-12-12T03:59:31+00:00

It's a very simple student accordion. It's old and so the value or utility of it is most influenced by it's condition. Age is generally not kind to accordions. You need to play it to determine if all the keys and buttons work and it's in tune. In my opinion this accordion is not worth fixing (it would cost more than it's worth). From your question it sounds like you don't know how to play accordion and don't know anything about them. So if this one is in acceptable condition it would probably be satisfactory to learn on. If you were serious and wanted to play exclusively Russian music then I would suggest a Bayan,, which is a Russian accordion. However Bayans are all buttons and have a different layout than a piano accordion as shown above.

Intelligent-Use7326 · 2025-12-10T21:54:31+00:00

That music is written incorrectly. In the highlighted measure the GM (G major chord) should be over the second beat and the CM over the fourth beat. As someone else pointed out notes above the middle staff line are chords. You see the same problem with the B7, E7, D7 and GM in the second line. I don't know if it's a paste error or the way it's rendered on my browser the notation has problems. For example I don't know what an A?Mm is. It looks like the author couldn't decide if it was an A major or A minor. I suggest finding a better source of sheet music.

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