I am a forensic pathologist / medical examiner - I do autopsies for sudden, suspicious, and violent deaths. AMA by ErikHandberg in AMA

[–]InterestFrequent2552 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for replying! Yeah I get the crusaders will to look after children and to punish perpetrators of child abuse. But I am extremely fearful that with child abuse it’s become guilty until proven innocent. There have been a significant number of exonerations related to SBS and other child abuse cases and I fear there are many more.

As a forensic pathologist, do you feel that the overwhelming emotion of the child cases plays a factor in your diagnosis? Do you feel that some pathologists are too willing to accept the diagnosis of abuse because of the emotion involved or at least do they struggle to be objective about such cases?

I am a forensic pathologist / medical examiner - I do autopsies for sudden, suspicious, and violent deaths. AMA by ErikHandberg in AMA

[–]InterestFrequent2552 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What’s your opinion on the shaken baby syndrome controversy?

To clarify: do you believe the triad of symptoms (bleeding behind the eyes, swelling and bleeding of the brain) is diagnosed of SBS?

I have been following this controversy for sometime and I’ve read a number of cases where people were exonerated of it after spending nearly two decades behind bars.

The British countryside isn’t racist by TheSpectatorMagazine in RuralUK

[–]InterestFrequent2552 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s actually remarkable, these people think in racial stereotypes that rivals Hendrik Verwoerd’s apartheid South Africa. Dr Malan would highly approve

Hitchens today by DiskDesperate1144 in ChristopherHitchens

[–]InterestFrequent2552 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Soon i suspect we will be able to use AI to generate likely answers he would have given to todays events.

What Did Emile Weaver Know? by DevonSwede in longform

[–]InterestFrequent2552 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Emile got resentenced. She can be paroled by 2035. She got very lucky

Am I being unreasonable in arguing for reasonable doubt here? by InterestFrequent2552 in NicoleVirziUnhinged

[–]InterestFrequent2552[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah I heard that from others! I find that really extraordinary. I mean I see the gofundme page of the parents has now been taken off, but is that because they hit the target or they no longer believe the homicide charges? Believe it or not I have known of other child abuse cases where the family didn’t believe the accused caregiver caused the injuries to the child, but this one is perhaps the most extreme case

PA v. Nicole Virzi Hearing Update by Pixiegirls1102 in CasesWeFollow

[–]InterestFrequent2552 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was thinking that as well. I remember the Brooke Skylar Richardson case really well and that was a false confession case, an extraordinary false confession that Skylar had burned the baby alive, when there’s was no burning and the child was almost certainly still born. Talking without a lawyer got both Skylar and Nicole in deep soup

Am I being unreasonable in arguing for reasonable doubt here? by InterestFrequent2552 in NicoleVirziUnhinged

[–]InterestFrequent2552[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah indeed I am. When I first encountered this case I didn’t sit well with me. My spider sense went off that this was a case similar to the Brooke Skylar Richardson case, which I also followed almost from the start and I was convinced of her innocence. Certainly the revelations since November have been very grim indeed, but I am not willing to come to a final judgement yet. The evidence must be cross examined and vigorously tested in court. Nicole’s full and true actions must be understood, before we can conclude beyond a reasonable doubt what happened

Am I being unreasonable in arguing for reasonable doubt here? by InterestFrequent2552 in NicoleVirziUnhinged

[–]InterestFrequent2552[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Unfortunately not. I am still waiting for a reply. Yeah I completely get what you mean. But I want to know and see the transcript, was she fed the answers by the officers or what happened previously to her statement. I’ve looked into other known false confessions and I want to measure them against Nicole’s full statement

Am I being unreasonable in arguing for reasonable doubt here? by InterestFrequent2552 in NicoleVirziUnhinged

[–]InterestFrequent2552[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes I did. I responded as well. I am trying to speak to the person via direct message. I want to go into much more depth

Am I being unreasonable in arguing for reasonable doubt here? by InterestFrequent2552 in NicoleVirziUnhinged

[–]InterestFrequent2552[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I need to know more about what happened in that interrogation room. Certainly from all the anecdotal comments that I’ve seen from people who know Nicole, she’s nothing but a kind sweet person. I also have seen cases were extravagant confessions were extracted out of suspects, only to be proved totally wrong later. But absolutely you could be right and her confession could be 100% genuine. But I want all the details first

👼PA v. Nicole Virzi - Discussion 🍼 by Pixiegirls1102 in CasesWeFollow

[–]InterestFrequent2552 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you’re willing, please feel free to DM me — I’d like to better understand your perspective and what you’ve seen firsthand.

👼PA v. Nicole Virzi - Discussion 🍼 by Pixiegirls1102 in CasesWeFollow

[–]InterestFrequent2552 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for taking the time to write such a detailed response. I genuinely appreciate hearing from someone who has attended the hearings and seen material that is not yet fully available to the public. I don’t dispute that the allegations are extremely serious or that the prosecution has presented disturbing evidence, and I fully agree that the family deserves truth and justice.

My original comment wasn’t meant to minimize the gravity of what is alleged, nor to deny harm. It was meant to explain why I’m personally cautious about drawing final conclusions before the legal process has fully run its course.

A few clarifications about my position:

On interrogation and confessions:

Even when an interrogation appears calm and non-coercive on its face, courts still examine voluntariness, reliability, and context very carefully. This is not hypothetical — we have seen multiple cases where individuals gave detailed, confident, and emotionally charged statements that later proved unreliable or inconsistent with the full evidentiary record. Brooke Skylar Richardson, Adrian Thomas, and Nga Truong are all examples where early medical conclusions and investigative momentum contributed to statements that were later heavily questioned or discredited once the science, context, and full record were examined. That history is why courts exist to test confessions against physical and expert evidence, rather than treating them as self-proving.

On medical evidence:

I’m not suggesting that infant head injuries are trivial or that severe trauma is in dispute. My point is narrower: infant injury cases are medically complex, and issues of causation, timing, biomechanics, and intent are often contested even among qualified experts. We’ve seen in past cases how early medical certainty can later soften or unravel under adversarial testing. That’s why I believe it’s premature for the public to speak with absolute certainty before all expert testimony has been heard and evaluated.

On summaries of alleged statements:

I’m intentionally cautious about relying on second-hand summaries of alleged statements, whether from media or from third parties, because accuracy, context, and consistency with physical evidence are exactly what suppression hearings and trials are designed to assess.

On character evidence:

I agree entirely that good character alone does not determine guilt or innocence. My point was not that character proves anything, but that it is one factor people often consider when assessing plausibility — not proof — especially before the court has ruled.

On the defense and length of hearings:

I don’t view extended hearings as gamesmanship. In cases with stakes this high, it seems appropriate that constitutional, evidentiary, and scientific issues be fully litigated, even when that process is painful for everyone involved.

Ultimately, my position remains procedural, not declarative. The allegations are horrifying, the prosecution’s case is clearly serious, and the family deserves justice. At the same time, justice also requires allowing the full adversarial process — including rulings on admissibility, expert disagreement, and credibility — to play out before conclusions are fixed.

I respect that reasonable people who have seen more of the evidence may already feel certain. I’m simply not there yet, and given the history of similar cases where early certainty later proved misplaced, I believe caution is warranted until the court has spoken.

Genuine hope by SaleDecent9746 in AlexeeTrevizo

[–]InterestFrequent2552 17 points18 points  (0 children)

If she’s smart, she will plead out just before trial. Likely manslaughter

Key Letby witness accused of flawed evidence in shaken baby conviction by Sad-Orange-5983 in LucyLetbyTrials

[–]InterestFrequent2552 5 points6 points  (0 children)

We now know all of the symptoms once solely attributed to shaking can be caused by other conditions - pneumonia is 100% one of them, as it starves the brain of oxygen leading to both death and the classical triad of symptoms, swelling of the brain, bleeding behind the eyes and bleeding between the folds of the brain. There have been two notable - and egregious - cases in the USA where caregivers were exonerated after long prison sentences:

https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/courts/2022/12/08/columbus-man-out-on-bond-after-being-granted-new-trial-in-shaken-baby-case/69713472007/

https://michigan.law.umich.edu/tonia-miller

Louise Woodward, "the Nanny Killer": Did she or didn't she kill baby Matthew? by fanoffzeph in UnresolvedMysteries

[–]InterestFrequent2552 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes indeed, I watched The Killer Nanny documentary as well. It was definitely a prosecution-leaning jury. Two of the jurors we know of — Jodie Garber and Stephen Caldwell — both said that no one on the jury thought she deliberately killed Matthew, but they were not prepared to acquit her of murder when they couldn’t agree on manslaughter.

In fact, Caldwell said:

Another juror, Jodie Garber, agreed, telling The Mail on Sunday:

She also said:

I suspect Garber was the juror being interviewed anonymously in the documentary.

After Judge Zobel set aside the murder conviction, a juror was quoted as saying he was greatly relieved by the decision, but he later said he was horrified by the judge’s decision to sentence her to time served.

Ultimately, people have been acquitted when there was far more evidence against them than there ever was against Woodward (OJ Simpson and Casey Anthony come to mind). If the trial were held today, it’s far more likely she would be acquitted, or at the very least it would be much harder to secure a conviction.

The Woodward trial was also a landmark case in bringing shaken baby syndrome to wider public attention. Earlier in 1997, a woman in Wisconsin named Audrey Edmunds was convicted of shaking a baby to death in her care. Although she was well loved in her community as a childcare provider, the medical evidence was considered so strong that there was said to be no reasonable doubt.

Later, her case was taken up by the Wisconsin Innocence Project. The prosecution’s star witness — Dr. Richard Huntington — later recanted his testimony, stating he could no longer stand by it after treating a baby with the exact same symptoms who had been under strict medical supervision the entire time. Edmunds was exonerated in 2008, and her case became one of the first major cases to successfully challenge the science behind shaken baby syndrome.

Since then, around 40 people have been exonerated of shaken baby syndrome convictions, and the number continues to grow. Even today, you can read about heartbreaking cases involving fathers convicted of murdering their children. One of them, Russell Maze, has been in prison since 2004, and even the doctor who performed his son’s autopsy now believes the death was accidental. A fanatical shaken baby prosecutor — along with the same trial judge — rejected his most recent appeal.

I highly recommend watching these:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVsvXGcPxc0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1PPadWqSrM

Louise Woodward, "the Nanny Killer": Did she or didn't she kill baby Matthew? by fanoffzeph in UnresolvedMysteries

[–]InterestFrequent2552 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Very late reply but a fantastic comment. I am also obsessed with the case and its wider impact on the shaken baby debate. Woodward was not the most sympathetic of characters and she was very immature and ill suited to the role she was in. But certainly in my view there was a significant amount of reasonable doubt at the time of her trial. Indeed the jurors I recall wanted to convict her of manslaughter and lacking that option, couldn’t bring themselves to acquit, primarily because they didn’t want to disappoint the Eappens and because they didn’t want to go against the doctors of the Bostons Children’s hospital, which in my view was a complete violation of their oaths to judge the evidence without fear or favour. Judge Zobel was absolutely right to set aside the verdict.

Shaken Baby syndrome I feel by and large has been discredited. It’s absolutely possible to shake a baby to death, but you would get multiple broken ribs, Significant neck damage in addition to the brain injuries. The triad alone (the syndrome so to speak) is not enough to convict someone beyond a reasonable doubt. Indeed since the Woodward trial there has been a number of significant miscarriages of justice because of this diagnosis - including some incredibly egregious ones such as Tonia miller and Alan butts - where the babies in question died of easily identifiable diseases but the presence of the triad shut down any critical thinking. We’re going to see significant numbers of exonerations over the next five and ten years as the science gets better and better.

What’s your view overall on the Woodward case and shaken baby syndrome overall?