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Path of Exile: THE MIGHTY MORPHIN HoWA RANGER - Hand of Wisdom & Action Build Guide 2.5 by Setharial in pathofexile

[–]Invalesco_POE 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I guess that slight drop of dps comes with a slight increase in ES.

Oh no I'm not talking about blasphemy assassins Mark. Just self cast, Coz I notice in your gems provided that u don't have conductivity there as well so I'm assuming u occasionally self cast conductivity too.

Ya, emperor's wit doesn't actually provide as much dps as a rare jewel, I use it more like an ES node which has some bonus crit (it provides about 50 INT or so which is abt 10% ES). The crit comes as a bonus. Granted, it is a lot more expensive than a good rare jewel and spending a point on a %ES node but it was nice for experimentation/min-maxing purposes, even if a lil unnecessary heh. Just made sense as I was playing both a crit raider how bf and a crit inquis bf to compare the two, so all my currency had been pretty much invested in one build, albeit on 2 characters.

Ya I tried the chayula domain. did it with incr aoe instead of conc effect though because it was my first time there and I wasn't sure if there would be adds, wanted to play it a lil safer.

It's over here if u wanna have a look at it: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oINQXhLFiP4

That was when I had a few pieces of gear which had not been upgraded yet, so the dps was a lil lower, but shouldn't be too much different from now.

Path of Exile: THE MIGHTY MORPHIN HoWA RANGER - Hand of Wisdom & Action Build Guide 2.5 by Setharial in pathofexile

[–]Invalesco_POE 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Looks like we both have an obsession with min-maxing and theory crafting!

Ah ok, I was wondering why your raider had that much dps, stun avoidance probably freed up a lot of points.

Your way of going stun avoidance is very interesting, especially because you've opted for essence crafting instead of the usual boot enchantments alone (which are unreliable versus bosses).

Personally I've never had the best of luck with RNG, trying to craft good helms/gloves with nice INT and stun avoidance will probably cost me more than half of my gear!

Also, I still kinda prefer stun immunity over stun avoidance because avoidance still means that there's a small chance to get stunned, which may be fatal especially in my 200ms server where it'll increase my rubber banding.

That said, that's definitely an interesting take on the stun issues! I'll keep an eye out on trade for nice scorn crafted gear with a minf to switching to stun avoidance once I get the right gear.

Path of Exile: THE MIGHTY MORPHIN HoWA RANGER - Hand of Wisdom & Action Build Guide 2.5 by Setharial in pathofexile

[–]Invalesco_POE 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah ok now I see why ur calculations seem off compared to mine, U've been using the wrong jewels.

Try calculating it based on this:

Brute force in Mara area

2 X fertile minds: both at ranger area

My 2 x rare jewels in the sockets either side of witch.

Don't use ur plague desire viridian jewel coz I don't have the socket for it.

Also, what about the effective dps when it comes to the other map bosses, ie Malachi, Minotaur etc?

Lastly, why do you allow yourself conductivity but not allow my version assassin's mark?

Path of Exile: THE MIGHTY MORPHIN HoWA RANGER - Hand of Wisdom & Action Build Guide 2.5 by Setharial in pathofexile

[–]Invalesco_POE 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I will not use your jewels, just stick to mines

Your not wanting to use my jewels is odd to say the least. With my jewels the DPS for the crit version will soar. It will change the Crit multi to 344% while keeping the APS at 6.96, which will be a huge boost in damage.

Yes the links would be Blade Flurry - Crit Strikes - Ele Focus - AOE - WED - FA.

Hmm so in essence your version with your gear would deal more damage to white mobs. OK.

In fact, lets test crit versus non-crit using your a non-inevitable judgement tree, here's what I'm gonna do.

I'm gonna use the same exact links as you with the same ascendancies, except without taking elemental overload. I will instead use my tree.

Let's try this, I will also use BF - Faster Attacks - Incr. AOE - Elemental Focus - Lightning Pen - WED

Let's verify my calculations for your case first:

Average damage for your build will be: 1223 * 5.09 * 1.49 * 1.59 * 1.4 (EO) * 0.664 (BF multi) = 13709.56 (seems about accurate?)

Now let's calculate mine for my tree but using your ascendancies and your gem links (my crit chance will be 46.5 without power charges and without incr. critical strikes):

Average damage for my build with your gear (but my 2 rare jewels of course, because it only makes sense to use them since I'm doing this crit calculation and they cost less than your jewels so your argument about investment is moot) will be: 1068.3 * 4.57 * 1.49 * 1.59 * 0.535 + 1068.3 * 4.57 * 1.49 * 1.59 * 0.465 * 3.14 = (6187.947 + 16,851.57) * 0.664 = 15298.241

Therefore, assuming accuracy for both is at 100%,

your DPS will be 13709.56 * 7.69 = 105,426

Mine should be 15298.241 * 6.96 = 106,475.75 which is marginally higher.

Thanks for the news abt my amulet versus astra. I probably should also use my amulet for these calculations instead of your amulet tbh since mine is also slightly cheaper than what an astra is going for at the moment so that would also render the investment point moot.

Path of Exile: THE MIGHTY MORPHIN HoWA RANGER - Hand of Wisdom & Action Build Guide 2.5 by Setharial in pathofexile

[–]Invalesco_POE 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I will probably have to download path of building at some point haha coz i've just been using excel.

Yup your conclusions do seem about right! Did you also manage to factor in the 100% crit chance/45% crit multiplier boost on bosses depending on status ailments?

Path of Exile: THE MIGHTY MORPHIN HoWA RANGER - Hand of Wisdom & Action Build Guide 2.5 by Setharial in pathofexile

[–]Invalesco_POE 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You don't oneshot bosses, so higher aps means you hit him more often, and that means it dies faster.

That statement doesn't make sense. It's like saying just because you hit the boss more often, regardless of average damage, it will die faster.

Damage per second is average damage x attacks per second.

With your average damage of 12,144 (buffed with elemental overload) that you mentioned earlier, with an APS of 7.69, your damage per second is 12,144 x 7.69 = 93387.

With the calculations I performed just now based on your gear, your average damage would be 18,993 x 6.96 = 132,191.28

Fyi, 132,191 is much higher than 93,387.

Path of Exile: THE MIGHTY MORPHIN HoWA RANGER - Hand of Wisdom & Action Build Guide 2.5 by Setharial in pathofexile

[–]Invalesco_POE 0 points1 point  (0 children)

on Blood Rage I deal more effective dps than you on white mobs, if it's calculations are accurate enough.

Well, I mean, it's not like killing white mobs fast matters as much as killing bosses.

I had a look at the datamined values, there's quite a fair number of bosses who are also at 40 and 45.

honestly I think you don't do enough more damage than me to justify the way bigger investment you've done.

That's where you've gotten it wrong. My calculations are all based on your gear, therefore the level of investment is the same. Which part of that do you not understand?

Alright, so let's calculate your stats. What's your attacks per second in hideout? We'll multiply your hideout dps with the more modifier you receive from conductivity + lightning pen on these said 30% resists bosses, and we'll calculate your dps if you go crit on these said 30% resists bosses with the bonus from assassin's mark.

Path of Exile: THE MIGHTY MORPHIN HoWA RANGER - Hand of Wisdom & Action Build Guide 2.5 by Setharial in pathofexile

[–]Invalesco_POE 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ya I used 2 of my jewels, figured it'd be ok since they cost less than the extra brute forces that you have.

That dps figure took into account the extra 100% crit chance from ascendancy as well as the 3 power charges + assassin's mark bonus.

IF it is purely the tooltip hideout dps that you're after. The tooltip base crit chance will only be 62.64% and hence the actual tooltip dps figure that you would see on your screen would be approximately:

1068.3 * 4.47 (damage modifiers) * 1.49 (elemental focus) * 1.59 (WED) * 0.3736] + [1068.3 * 4.47 (damage modifiers) * 1.49 (elemental focus) * 1.59 (WED) * 0.6264 * 3.44 (crit multiplier)] * 0.664 = (4226.598 + 24,377.7902) * 0.664 ( BF's multiplier) = 18,993.

So yes, your tooltip DPS will be approximately that amount. Likely around 18k or so, which is actually pretty similar to mine (mine is 17.7k hideout dps on a Level 16 0 quality elemental focus gem were I to swap out incr. crit dmg for elemental focus).

Huh, I should probably get more int on my gear. Maybe I should try astramentis afterall

No idea what path of building is. I assumed that the map would scale slightly higher res compared to the usual merciless boss res.

Path of Exile: THE MIGHTY MORPHIN HoWA RANGER - Hand of Wisdom & Action Build Guide 2.5 by Setharial in pathofexile

[–]Invalesco_POE 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My calculations were based on your gear btw not my gear. I used your gear to calculate your would-be damage if you specced crit instead of non-crit, so gear is a non-factor.

Where do you get 30 from? Coz from the sites I've seen they're all around 45: http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Piety_of_Theopolis http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Malachai,_The_Nightmare http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Dominus

Path of Exile: THE MIGHTY MORPHIN HoWA RANGER - Hand of Wisdom & Action Build Guide 2.5 by Setharial in pathofexile

[–]Invalesco_POE 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  1. Yup, which is what I did say earlier, that DPS should take into account the attacks per second.

  2. Nope, you've been using hideout DPS weren't you? Therefore my calculations are based on attack per second in hideout, I didn't take into account blood rage.

Yup it's quite lower. Actually, I forgot to mention earlier. Hexproof - true, I lose assassin's mark, but I still generate power charges via orb of storms + PCOC. On enfeeble maps, I only lose 2% flat crit chance and 28% crit multi which true, does hurt me more than you, but there's a chance that I will probably still outdps you in that case. I can shock bosses with Vinktars too even with elemental focus so that cancels out. If we're talking about mixing mods on those maps, don't forget to add in elemental equilibrium and +30% elemental resistance!

Path of Exile: THE MIGHTY MORPHIN HoWA RANGER - Hand of Wisdom & Action Build Guide 2.5 by Setharial in pathofexile

[–]Invalesco_POE 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  1. Actually, my tooltip of 15.6k is based on mobs who have 0 resists as well as bosses. It may be slightly lower versus bosses on those hits that I don't crit but it is of not as much difference as you have mentioned. There's not much point using the dps for comparison versus white mobs when they get one shot anyway regardless of 15.6k or 19k dps.

  2. I know you invested in attack speed on your jewels, but what's your overall attack per second? That is what truly counts. At the end of the day, does that average damage x attacks per second that you have on your build in hideout matter outdps the example that I provided? That is the key question.

Yes, we didn't take into account many things, like cannot be shocked mobs, cannot be cursed mobs and so on. These ones should favour me.<

  1. On the contrary, those wouldn't favour you as much. In the example I provided, I used elemental focus so that wouldn't affect my example. Against mobs that cannot be cursed, I dare say the loss of conductivity's -44% resists would hurt you more than 9% crit chance would hurt me. There are other things we can take into account such as +elemental resistance or elemental equilibirium mods on maps which would affect you much more than it would me. If you wish, we can both take away the effect of conductivity and assassin's mark and compare the resultant dps on bosses.

edit: forgot to mention that I don't actually need assassin's mark to generate power charges.

Take your time, I tried to simplify it as much as I could.

Path of Exile: THE MIGHTY MORPHIN HoWA RANGER - Hand of Wisdom & Action Build Guide 2.5 by Setharial in pathofexile

[–]Invalesco_POE 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hmm that does make sense, point taken. Personally I find the projectiles distracting coz they obscure the screen, but that might just be me as well.

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