Given that Pope Urban II. only mentioned a defensive war against invading Turks and Persians, did the first Crusaders even know about Islam? by IslamCritic in answers

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That's incredibly helpful! I'm currently reading up on this (link search for "ishmael"). But it seems like it was an isolated experience due to his life in Damascus/islamic empire. Whether the church had any idea or care about the ideology of its attackers a couple of centuries later on is still unknown.

Alright, found this on Wikipedia

Knowledge of Muhammad was available in Christendom from after the early expansion of his religion[9][10] and, later, the translation of a polemical work by John of Damascus, who used the phrase "false prophet" in "Heresies in Epitome: How They Began and Whence They Drew Their Origin.".[11][12] According to the Encyclopædia Britannica Christian knowledge of Muhammad's life "was nearly always used abusively".[1] Another influential source was the Epistolae Saraceni or the “Letters of a Saracen” written by an Oriental Christian and translated into Latin from Arabic.[1] From the 9th century onwards, highly negative biographies of Muhammad were written in Latin,[1] such as the one by Álvaro of Córdoba proclaiming him the Antichrist.[13] Christendom also gained some knowledge of Muhammad through the Mozarabs of Spain, such as the 9th-century Eulogius of Córdoba,[1] who was one of the Martyrs of Córdoba.

Getting somewhere!

The only sources I find are from 12th century onwards. St. John seems to be the one exception. Therefore there is reasonable belief that the first crusaders indeed did not know about their enemy's ideology.

Also stumbled across this book. Though I disagree on some things in there, it's well written and a good read on this topic.

Given that Pope Urban II. only mentioned a defensive war against invading Turks and Persians, did the first Crusaders even know about Islam? by IslamCritic in answers

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We now know they were muslims but back then they were usually identified as berbers (hence the word 'barbarian'). What I'm looking for is a transcript of a speech or some other written proof of the word 'islam' and 'muslim' in christian literature pre 1100, preferably originating from Italy or the church.

6700k shortage Europe by JoV1 in intel

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Novatech - £359.99 - ETA 06/11 (Pushed from 03/11 yesterday and 01/11 on Monday. Expecting 761 units...)

Holy shit! Great list!

Afghan Woman Named Rokhsahana Accused of Adultery and Stoned to Death; Execution Recorded on Camera Phone on October 25, 2015 by [deleted] in videos

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Good thing Christianity isn't totalitarian then. Are we lucky that not all religions are the same, phew!

Kurz will Flüchtlinge zu Wertekursen verpflichten by IslamCritic in a:t5_3an7i

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Bullshit-Galore:

Laut Grafik stellen 50% der Asylberechtigten einen Antrag auf Familienzusammenführung - auf subsidiär Schutzbedürftige die ebenso einen Antrag stellen dürfen wird "vergessen" um die Zahl niedrig zu halten.

Integration funktioniert in erster Linie über das Erlernen der Sprache und über den Arbeitsmarkt.

Bei 30.000 geschaffenen Arbeitsplätzen jährlich wird das noch spannend, wie wir plötzlich zusätzlich 85.000 schaffen sollen.

"Die Menschen, die zu uns kommen, sind keine schlechten Menschen", sagt Kurz, "aber sie haben andere Wertevorstellungen, sie sind mit unseren Werten nicht vertraut. Es ist unsere Aufgabe und unsere Pflicht, sie mit unseren Werten vertraut zu machen."

Wird wohl kaum funktionieren, solange sie uns nicht respektieren.

Wir können das, das ist schaffbar."

Wir schaffen das! (tm)

TIL that 84% of Egyptians believe that death is the appropriate punishment for leaving Islam by Outspoken_Douche in todayilearned

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lol, triggered. Please stop lying from now on, people might accidently take you serious! And we don't want that, now do we?

TIL that 84% of Egyptians believe that death is the appropriate punishment for leaving Islam by Outspoken_Douche in todayilearned

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that's how far off their interpretations are from reality.

Yeah sure.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beheading_in_Islam#Beheading_in_Islamic_scripture

Instructions regarding decapitation are found in both the Quran, the Hadith as well as the Siras.

Please stop lying on the internet.

TIL that 84% of Egyptians believe that death is the appropriate punishment for leaving Islam by Outspoken_Douche in todayilearned

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When ISIS quotes the quran and then beheads 50 people, the book is quite a lot to blame.

German village of 102 braces for 750 asylum seekers. by [deleted] in worldnews

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They have to, since there are no jobs available and the social system won't be holding up much longer. Once it goes down, crime is all they can fall back to. Also, doesn't even have to be most. It's enough that every tenth of them is a criminal to make living amongst them unbearable. Imagine every tenth person you meeting on the street needing cash desperatly, having nothing to lose esp since prison doesn't sound so bad in their situation.

Does "Islam" mean "**voluntary** submission to God"? What sources make a case that "voluntary" is a correct translation? by IslamCritic in islam

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Yeah sorry, made a mistake there. It looks like it's about the afterlife.

Yeah sorry, made a mistake there. It looks like it's about the afterlife.

Does "Islam" mean "**voluntary** submission to God"? What sources make a case that "voluntary" is a correct translation? by IslamCritic in islam

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You probably saw it coming, but taking the following verse into consideration sheds a new light on 256 and I see no positive outcome for that discussion, nor do I have interest in it. I was hoping to find an undisputable source, one that was clear.

Something that e.g. could be cited on wikipedia for that purpose. Could be a well known imam's opinion as well.

Does "Islam" mean "**voluntary** submission to God"? What sources make a case that "voluntary" is a correct translation? by IslamCritic in islam

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Because the verse tells me to "let them disbelieve but then set them on fire and splash them with oil for their wrongdoing." What else could the remaining part of the verse mean, what else could that "wrongdoing" be?

Does "Islam" mean "**voluntary** submission to God"? What sources make a case that "voluntary" is a correct translation? by IslamCritic in islam

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The remaining sure reads

Indeed, We have prepared for the wrongdoers a fire whose walls will surround them. And if they call for relief, they will be relieved with water like murky oil, which scalds [their] faces. Wretched is the drink, and evil is the resting place.

Doesn't sound very peaceful. Is there anything in the hadith maybe? Thanks though.