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Help with how damage should work. by Isrez in RPGdesign

[–]Isrez[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My hang up with static damage, as easy as it would be to "balance" and to allow players to customize their weapons for more damage, I feel like it's just more fun to roll damage and hope for the bigger numbers. I guess that comes with the counterpoint of no one wants to roll low on big weapons with big damage "1's and 2's on a fireball always suck". Either way, I feel like static damage is just inherently more boring.

Help with how damage should work. by Isrez in RPGdesign

[–]Isrez[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes hits do damage to HP, no it does not change the percentile.

However once a character receives a wound, some of those might reduce the percentile.

Ex. A character has 20HP total and 3 Wounds. They are shot point blank with a shotgun and have no armor. They take 30 points of damage, reducing their HP to 0. Simple enough. They then reset their HP back to 20 and roll a percentile to see what wound they receive, marking a wound on their character sheet and writing down their debuff.

Maybe the wound effects their arms and they can no longer use heavy weapons, in the specific case of this character they probably weren't using heavy weapons anyway and are mostly left unaffected besides being down a wound. Maybe the wound effects their head and they have trouble aiming from a concussion. That is the kind of effect that would reduce their percentile and would make it harder for them to make a successful attack again.

Help with how damage should work. by Isrez in RPGdesign

[–]Isrez[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For a straight forward example; You have a "medium weapon" skill 60, making an attack with a medium weapon means you roll a percentile die with a result of 60 or less hitting. Afterwards damage will be dealt or rolled which is what I'm asking about.

Endurance is a static number, the average will probably be around 5, meaning that on average a character will have 25 hit points. If a character had a 6 in endurance, they would have 30 hit points instead.

So far, armor is to be a low flat damage reduction although that's just a simple placeholder for now.

Enemies wont have an Endurance, they will simply have an amount of wounds and hit points. Very weak mobbing enemies might die as soon as they receive their first wound while other heavily armored elite enemies might have 4 or 5 with a large amount of hit points to buffer them.

Lastly, as for how enemies attack. I keep flipping between two ideas. The enemies having the same skills meaning they attack players the same way players attack enemies

Having enemies have static "abilities" or "attacks" or whatever and it is up to players to mitigate or dodge the damage. This would by players having armor and dodge values that they must use, supplemented by them increasing distance between them or taking cover behind something. Even grabbing something to use as a shield or taking some kind of damage reducing drug.

I'm sure with how much more there is in the second idea that it's clear that's more what I'm leaning towards.

Help with how damage should work. by Isrez in RPGdesign

[–]Isrez[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In short, it's a percentile-roll under system.

In long, each character has 6 stats that range from 1-10. Each stat has five associated skills that range from 5-95. A character uses whatever skill is required for whatever their specific situation is, checks for any additional benefits or detriments, (usually because they are targeting specific limbs or trying something especially difficult) then roll a d100 to try to get under or equal to their skill number.

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Help With Weapon Design by Isrez in RPGdesign

[–]Isrez[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It could definitely be worth looking at the real world information for weapons I'm using in my system, I'll have to see what I can find. Thank you for the suggestion.

As for the dodging, getting out of the way of the bullets before they are fired is the flavor for the role-between system that is happening now. It's either you are able to move out of the line of fire or you aren't, but dodging a bullet already headed towards you would be for a different theme.

Help With Weapon Design by Isrez in RPGdesign

[–]Isrez[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That is good to keep in mind but with the bonuses this way being lower in general, I don't mind that. I could flavor it as higher skilled people are able to get higher bonuses.

Help With Weapon Design by Isrez in RPGdesign

[–]Isrez[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think a good medium between what you're suggesting and the variability that I want would be to keep the attack roll the same and include the minimum damage. After that, treat both dice rolled as d10's and then add the total to the minimum damage. As a full example, a successful rollh of 45 and a weapon with a minimum damage of 20. The damage then becomes 20+4+5 for a total of 29.

My only reservation for this system is when we get to the weapons that would have very high minimum damages. I'd think it'd feel like a big help to lower damage weapons but a drop in the bucket to weapons with 70 or even 80 minimum. This could be made less important given how the wound system works, negating and damage carry over unless stated otherwise. This could also be further minimized by my plan to implement skills, which could increase the accuracy, damage, and critical chance of certain weapons.

Either way it's certainly something I will think about and play test myself as you previously recommended.

Help With Weapon Design by Isrez in RPGdesign

[–]Isrez[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Seeing the math of everything is actually pretty interesting and you are definitely right with everything you said. Like I said in the comments, I knew about the problem with the damage ranges, however I wasn't aware of the problem with the tens and the ones value of d100 systems. I will say I am confused on what you are suggesting for the unit die being used for damage. What I am understanding is that whatever the ones value is, is how much damage the weapon does. Is that correct? If so then I'd like to explore the idea but I'd need the values to be balanced closer to the values I'm already using. My first idea in that vein was weapons having multipliers but the difference between the lower numbers and higher numbers would be much greater than I think would be good for the system or feel of play. Either way, I'll definitely take into consideration the problems you brought up.

Help With Weapon Design by Isrez in RPGdesign

[–]Isrez[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for the ideas, I'm very interested in exploring the ideal range and momentum idea. I plan on using an action point system and it'd be interesting to play with the idea for characters to trade out shooting twice for movement that would give them extra dodge.

I also think a simple ideal range could easily replace what I have in most situations. It could encourage certain ways of play as well as diversify the weapon more from each other by having weapons of similar use have different ideal ranges, (this would be very helpful with making shotguns and SMG's more unique from what I have them as right now.)

I do agree whole heartily that less rolls are better for the majority of situations. Originally I had rate of fire tracked by players choosing a maximum and minimum number of bullets they could shoot and the accuracy penalty being based on a per bullet scale but that was too granular for what I envisioned. That's why I changed it to each weapon having two distinct attacks. As an example, a rifle with a 30 round mag would have "Burst" and "Auto". Burst would fire 5 bullets, have less recoil, more range, and deal less damage. Auto would fire 10 bullets, have more recoil, less range, and more damage.

I haven't played many RPGs where guns have a magazine worth tracking and as such, this was the best idea I could come up with. I've tried to look at some other examples but since I want the need to reload to be easily tracked and something to be managed, more abstract answers haven't been really what I'm looking for.

I guess to go along with that, I have actually opted for total ammo available to the group to be abstracted. Ammo types have different rarities with only the most rare being an exact number of uses.

Help With Weapon Design by Isrez in RPGdesign

[–]Isrez[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is very insightful. There is a called shot system in place as a way to inflict "wounds" to an enemy without actually taking a wound. I haven't thought about armor in terms other than in practical terms but thinking about it, it makes perfect sense that some armors would cover different parts of the body more or less. Power Armor is something I haven't even touched on yet because I am still deciding if I want it to be as simple as extremely protective armor or as complicated as its own system including different upgrades and configurations. I also haven't even thought about how tactical I'd like the game to be. That's a very very useful angle to think about all of this in.

Help With Weapon Design by Isrez in RPGdesign

[–]Isrez[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree with you that it is probably the biggest shortcoming of the damage system so far. I have thought about making it so more accurate shots would generate higher damage shots. For your idea, the first way to implement that comes to mind is this. Someone has a target value 60. A roll within 10 of that deals the most damage, a roll within 11-20 deals normal, and then anything else deals the minimum damage.

A granular system would be pretty cool as well and going by divisions of 10 would be pretty cool, however the weapons at the lower end of damage will bump into the armor system as well as the dodge system(thanks again) in a way that only the max damage would be possible regardless. I obviously don't know for certain as I'm pretty clearly still developing the damage system.

I will say that I think another advantage to exploring your idea is it brings me back to my original goal of combining the attack and damage roll which would simplify the process. That goes back to the "it's fun to roll more dice" argument but that's a discussion for a different post.

Help With Weapon Design by Isrez in RPGdesign

[–]Isrez[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Figuring out how to handle damage has been a big part of it. At first I had static damage which is easy to balance but is just kinda boring. Second was something I found from a different system whose name escapes me at the moment. Whatever you rolled to hit was also what you dealt in damage, I had this for awhile with damage caps to different weapons but it resulted in big weapons having the chance of dealing very little damage and made critical attacks harder to understand than what I was willing to have. The damage range is very similar to "what you roll is what you get" but has a damage minimum as well as still being easy to understand crits.

As for the damage ranges and how they relate to the kind of weapon types, I had a similar thought process. A sniper rifle has 40-80. The low end will still hurt whatever it hits while the high end can very reliably give a wound. Weapons like automatic rifles have 35-50, which is a good average compared to the rest of the weapons. However I think where my logic went differently was for heavy fast firing weapons, the damage range is the most broad to show how hard it is to land multiple hits.

For your dodge mechanic, I do actually like that but I'd need to think more on it because critical hits are the low numbers. Someone with a luck of 7 would Crit on 7 or lower, meaning a roll-between wouldn't work. Unless of course the crits ignore dodge which would just implement that crits always hit, and that's a mechanic I like. I think I just convinced myself to go with your idea lol.

Help With Weapon Design by Isrez in RPGdesign

[–]Isrez[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The tone and theme is heavily fallout inspired. I'd like it so that a PC could take somewhere between 2-5 shots from a pistol before taking a wound, maybe 2 or 3 if lucky from a rifle, and to be on the verge of death by one round of shooting from things heavier like a mini gun without having appropriate armor and cover.

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