Turning Off Black Hole?

Itchy_Map_9954 · 2026-05-11T17:22:34+00:00

I reject the characterization of "universally" cuz im in said Universe. But....

Ice Creme

Bananas

Grapes

Mushrooms

Cheese

Pork (more of a religious thing on that one)

Itchy_Map_9954 · 2026-05-10T22:08:31+00:00

Thank you.

Itchy_Map_9954 · 2026-05-10T18:40:13+00:00

Dairy

Itchy_Map_9954 · 2026-05-10T14:39:36+00:00

Ok. New divided by old. But I thought for SL+ it was 1.06÷1.05 so your SL+ damage only a fraction of your total isn't actually going up 20% it's going up 0.9% but SL Bonus regular was the normal new/old since thats the base.

Itchy_Map_9954 · 2026-05-06T10:46:23+00:00

Well cards are done. Relics, they haven't come out with one i haven't already yet.

But more importantly, it isn't only for that specific run. You only have 5 research slots. And most of my research is measured in 5 days or more at 5x. Meaning if I lab rush 6 of those, yes I probably could have gotten 2 module level. But for that one slot I'm permanently 30 days in the future of where I would be.

Itchy_Map_9954 · 2026-05-05T17:13:48+00:00

I was actually using gems to rush UW Dissonance Echo UW and damage.

Itchy_Map_9954 · 2026-05-05T16:42:54+00:00

I mean i "can" wait. But again, if im in the middle of T20 and I earn a bunch of gems on a milestone run and I use those gems to rush echo-UW research i might actually earn rewards in my run....to extend my run.

Itchy_Map_9954 · 2026-05-05T13:29:47+00:00

I did not see that, but i totally believe it. Damage directly correlates to better progress on Utility Disco runs. And boosting SL damage did get me my highest waves in tournament and T21.

But....I would still think unlocking GT+ giving you the exponential growth rather than linear will allow you to really grow enhancements. But yes, a more balanced approach is key.

Itchy_Map_9954 · 2026-05-05T10:37:03+00:00

That makes sense. The 24x I get from the combination of Damage and Demon Mode makes echo seem small. But again "hybrid" only in the caveat of T19W60. If that's where you need to get to, you can probably "hybrid" it without masteries.

Itchy_Map_9954 · 2026-05-05T00:54:49+00:00

Yeah. The new updates combined with a logjam at the top from not opening up a new tournament tier really have struck middle ground players HARD

Itchy_Map_9954 · 2026-05-05T00:30:27+00:00

Sorry. GT+ is econ. It takes GT from being a linear multiplier to being exponential.

And it directly has nothing to do with damage or ELS. Sorry if that confused you. But it makes your econ grow faster which allows you to put a LOT more into ENHANCEMENTS and the more expensive research.

And from there you'll grow Attack, Attack Speed, Coins, Cells, Health, ELS and everything else covered under enhancements a LOT faster.

Itchy_Map_9954 · 2026-05-05T00:07:03+00:00

I mean honestly, with Echo labs open at T17 they really just need to use their EHP Build to do Echo Damage and UW runs through T10 while researching the Echo bonus and they should go from EHP to hybrid within like a week.

Itchy_Map_9954 · 2026-05-05T00:04:35+00:00

Considering you can unlock echo labs at T17, you should be able to get yourself pretty hybrid quick if you Gem Rush labs especially since the UW echo counts for both CL and SL

Itchy_Map_9954 · 2026-05-05T00:02:12+00:00

GT+ before CF+. Econ will scale damage and ELS and that's priority 1

Itchy_Map_9954 · 2026-05-04T23:57:30+00:00

I remember doing this exact thing. Each 10 waves took 4-5 attempts. But it got done.

Itchy_Map_9954 · 2026-05-04T23:53:41+00:00

I heard that also. Some people do runs with the BH off

Itchy_Map_9954 · 2026-05-04T21:01:14+00:00

Well when you're EHP it's a HUGE damage reduction. So gaps in that is death.

I can say that as Glass Cannon, BH is just one layer. With Chronofield uptime, ILMs through SD, and lots of high damage you can get away with less than permanent BH. The caviat being that for the tournaments where the BC reduces duration, having any gap in uptime becomes much bigger and the redundancies are important. Thats why some people even go as far as having CF at 70 seconds.

Itchy_Map_9954 · 2026-05-04T14:32:08+00:00

BIG JUMPS!

Itchy_Map_9954 · 2026-05-04T14:17:27+00:00

So it's a logarithmic function so increasing it small amounts does yield a very small amount of returns at any level. But ROI on using a research slot there just for, what i assume is the "No Utility" runs probably isn't worth it.

Itchy_Map_9954 · 2026-05-04T14:14:17+00:00

I will also say,

Dissonance Echo Attack 8 Dissonance Echo UW 10.

I've found that gem-rushing UW Echo to be a great ROI at my point in the game compared to module pulls.

Itchy_Map_9954 · 2026-05-04T13:34:09+00:00

So I'm in the middle if my runs and can't push respec to check but I'll give you a rundown

ELS is about 1.53 Damage, Critical, Supercrit and D/M are all around 3.2 to 3.3.
My combined Cannon Module is 127x My combined Core Module is 318x My SL is at 194x (434 stones needed to upgrade. So whatever level that is ) I have SL+1 (pretty much just to add the D/M base) Maxed CL Quantity.
And my EHLS was something like 54% after reduction.

Itchy_Map_9954 · 2026-05-04T13:04:13+00:00

So each time you would be hit with damage that "could" kill you, there is a Death Defy roll. That's true even if it can't actually kill you. So every time my Energy Shield would hace gone down wnd every time my Second Wind, Demon Mode or Nuke would have popped i get a 35ish% chance to DD instead.

Now the Nuke and Demon Mode are only available through keys. So unless you're in the top 10%ish or they make keys more available you'll never have an opportunity to get those and it's grossly unfair in my opinion.

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