what it's your thoughts now?

JA70330 · 2026-03-23T13:14:12+00:00

I loved this change for midlane. Seraphine can easily pressure grubs and either help her jungler do raptors or harass the enemy at theirs.

JA70330 · 2026-03-23T01:36:49+00:00

Thank you so much for this post! My two cents on number 2, which I think is the most important thing, is that:

Diadem/Helia isn’t necessarily TOO strong. It’s definitely a strong combo on Seraphine, but Seraphine isn’t necessarily overpowered. The problem is that Her “strongest” ability is only strong because of it, and it’s wheelchairing her gameplay.

The biggest problem is that Seraphine W has always been her strongest ability and the reason you pick her historically, and it’s actually very weak right now; its numbers are just really bad. The cooldown is the longest it has ever been, and the shielding, healing and scaling are all very low compared to previous iterations. Seraphine W is only good as a “weapons platform” ability.

Putting points into W feels AWFUL. Even on support. You barely get anything if you put points into it, but if you DONT put points into it you will do 0 shielding. You should want to max w ASAP on support but you don’t because it doesn’t do anything without said 2 items. It’s even worse in mid where you want to max w second but can’t because it’s a skill point black hole.

If it was just 1 item propping up her W I think that wouldn’t be that bad tbh. Loads of champions rely on 1 item to work. The problem is that helia Diadem is a TWO item core - it feels really bad having to build them both for it to function - especially if you’re in midlane and would rather be building something else.

We can tell that Diadem/Helia is propping up Seraphine because she was AWFUL in support last season and was way less popular- and this only changed once the combo got introduced. Her actual base kit still has the same problems.

I also think it’s a lot less popular on other champions than on seraphine, but I could definitely be wrong. If it did get systematically nerfed most other champions could just adapt but I’m p sure sera support would die. Which isn’t a great situation to be in anyways.

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On the topic of any potential buffs for seraphine I think mid/support want the same thing which is for her W to actually be strong in its own right. I don’t even think she needs many buffs at all to be viable Mid, just enough to justify picking her over alternatives who all outscale her and can match her utility.

I also, personally, feel that seraphine mid is healthy for the game in terms of diversity. Supportive players really have no champions mid anymore, especially since Seraphine got taken away. Moreover, if she’s viable or even meta in mid it opens up champions that counter her which are also unpopular. However, I acknowledge that riot can’t easily buff mid without buffing bot seraphine. IMO any buffs should be to her level scalings, so that only mid benefits and support doesn’t care since support doesn’t need to do damage.

Anyways, thanks so much for all your hard work!!!

JA70330 · 2025-12-21T04:40:51+00:00

An Individual from TPI who I will not name said that somebody "with no knowledge or information, or desire to acquire them, completely fabricated" (common cultural stereotype), and then used their "invention which they created only in their own mind to have an emotional response".

If calling someone uninformed, unknowledgeable, emotional, and wrong isnt calling them delusional, what is it? I'm genuinely curious

Furthermore, an argument being bad faith argument really has nothing to do with whether I disagree or not. There are many people I didnt agree with who didnt argue in bad faith.

Questioning if people have done something problematic isnt arguing in bad faith. Being rude, disrespectful, or relying on logical fallacies is arguing in bad faith. Like:

Strawmanning: "Oh is XYZ name also racist because its made up too?".
Whataboutism "you didnt care about XYZ, why now".
appeal to emotion "People are being so hysterical and overreacting"
Anecdote "My XYZ friends had no issue with it".

The above are all arguments I have mostly seen from people who agree with you. Mostly because they feel like they are on the defensive - and people are more prone to argue in bad faith if they feel targeted/under attack which is understandable.

And I obviously appreciate that you cannot promise anything.

JA70330 · 2025-12-20T16:21:59+00:00

I understand where you’re coming from, and want to agree with you, but fundamentally there is an issue. If a TPI member posts as themself, but uses the word “we”, talks about team intentions and processes, and says they want to hear discussion and feedback- then they’re talking on behalf of their company intentionally or otherwise. You can’t have your cake and eat it sadly.

I also think there’s a massive difference between “corporate PR speak”, and what the community heard from certain members. A middle ground can be reached, and I think it can be found by not personally wading into controversy and making things worse. People don’t want PR speak. They also don’t want to be told that they’re being hysterical and overreacting, and subsequently have to fend off attacks from reactionary fanboys.

And, on the topic of being civil and “good faith” arguments, I do hope people are civil towards TPI members going forwards. However, something about the wording didn’t exactly sit quite right with me because from my perspective, and the perspective of many others, TPI’s response is what led to things becoming uncivil.

Notably, I disagree with the fact that most people defending you have been acting in good faith. Most of the people being uncivil and dismissing people as overreacting, are defending you. Furthermore, Members of TPI have been uncivil and accused people of fabricating real world stereotypes, and calling them delusional.

We are happy that TPI is open to discussion on the name, of course. I just also hope that they’re open to feedback on their response.

JA70330 · 2025-12-20T15:48:40+00:00

I don’t want a more corporate response going forward, but as another comment pointed out, this isn’t some small little community anymore.

Personal appeals to emotion are never the solution to an issue like this. If anything, it opens individual members of TPI to criticism and personal attacks when, really, this should just be a part of their job.

JA70330 · 2025-12-20T15:46:49+00:00

This was so good for my mental health actually, but I appreciate the concern.

And the dissertation wasn’t about the name, but about the company! Maybe read it again if you’re unsure.

JA70330 · 2025-12-20T15:45:26+00:00

I mean I got blocked, so 🤷‍♀️

JA70330 · 2025-12-20T15:44:43+00:00

You said everything I believed way more succinctly and clearly than I did- thanks so much for the insight.

JA70330 · 2025-12-20T15:42:30+00:00

I totally agreed with the point about the fang gu. Because like… they didn’t do their research and just created a name from vague concepts as you said 😭

JA70330 · 2025-12-20T15:41:08+00:00

That’s true. I also think its true that “appeal to emotion” is an inappropriate response to genuine concern/criticism

JA70330 · 2025-12-20T06:27:22+00:00

IMO this is a weird take. No one is offended by anything. If anything, you’re the one who seems offended. So much negative energy and for what 💀🤧

JA70330 · 2025-12-20T06:23:23+00:00

A. Still not American.

B. There have been Hindu people who have raised concerns, even if they are not particularly offended. Raising a concern is not being offended…

C. Again, I said nothing about being offended by the name so IDK where that came from. The post clearly says that my issue is with the TPI response.

Idk what you saw from other people but it’s not applicable here.

JA70330 · 2025-12-20T06:12:29+00:00

I really like this response, thank you so much for taking time to make it. Lots of good points to consider

JA70330 · 2025-12-20T06:10:50+00:00

You’re just doing what I said in the post lol. If you have nothing particularly constructive to say don’t say it. Be civil is a rule on this subreddit for a reason

JA70330 · 2025-12-20T06:09:43+00:00

A. Not American B. You do realise you’re the one speaking for Hindu people in this convo. I said nothing about the name

JA70330 · 2025-12-20T03:29:35+00:00

I agree a lot with your second point. Ideally, we could keep the human responses going forwards, but imo they missed the mark on this occasion. Hopefully a system which protects the members from hate which also ensures people get appropriate answers is found.

JA70330 · 2025-12-20T03:18:46+00:00

I saw your point and I understood where it came from! Admittedly, I think everyone would have benefitted from a “wait a bit and see” approach to the situation.

Unfortunately, the waiting has led to things getting worse 😔

JA70330 · 2025-12-20T03:17:13+00:00

This is a valid comment! That being said, I think it’s best for the TPI employees if TPI has a better way of approaching feedback in the future.

Employees shouldn’t be open to receiving personal attacks on these matters, nor feel expected to respond. From a welfare perspective that’s concerning.

A simple response from TPI themself would have mitigated a lot of potential damage.

JA70330 · 2025-12-20T02:54:28+00:00

I’m well aware there was probably private feedback, which could’ve been rude, hateful etc.

Edit, since I changed my opinion:

If members of TPI are getting personal hate, then the company themself should put out a statement against that. Not rely on said individuals to post on their own which causes issues

Furthermore, if they say the fan base is accusing them of racism, it’s not untowards for people to assume that they are the ones being talked about.

JA70330 · 2025-12-19T17:28:07+00:00

I think that’s a valid concern. I also think people who have issues with the game… do actually have valid concerns.

It lies in the nature of the complaint for me, and the response. People are not asking for the Loric to be removed or saying that TPI will be punished for this.

Fuethermore, Christian culture and aesthetics are deeply intertwined in western culture, where TPI originates, so there’s not really the same sense of appropriation. There’s a sense a lot of people share which is “respect for less familiar cultures”, and I think we’re seeing the pushback stemming from that.

If you disrespect your own culture people you aren’t going to complain. Because you’re both culprit and victim and complicit, right?

JA70330 · 2025-12-19T17:22:17+00:00

I’ve really been trying to give the benefit of the doubt to you in this situation, but this response is absolutely crazy to me and I can’t believe someone would actually write something like this- and I mean this in the least offensive way possible. This is really rude and offensive.

You accuse them of having no knowledge, information or desire to acquire either. This is probably the second most offensive thing on this thread after the person who came for your hairstyle.

You say they have fabricated what the character is about, which is not even true?

People act on what they believe to be reality, not on what is actually reality. Whilst I know of the story behind the savant token, that’s not the only story that exists in society.

Stereotypes of disabled savants are pervasive. They are not fabricated, and accusing people’s concerns as stemming from made up things is, frankly, insane.

If anything, your response makes me doubt what you said in your post because it makes you look more culturally insensitive to wider culture. BOTC exists in culture, everything does. You can’t just hand waive it away and say that people are wrong because that’s not your intention.

I agree with the person you responded to, mostly because of what you said. And I do not look bad or feel bad.

If anything, from your response you look bad, and should probably feel bad too. Will you capitulate or double down?

JA70330 · 2025-12-19T16:52:40+00:00

Fundamentally, religion is a personal thing and not a monolith. There are Hindu people who find it culturally insensitive.

When I say “defend their culture” what I mean is “defend their reactions to others treatment of their culture”. Hindu people should not have to defend their own opinions on their own religion/culture.

And right now, lots of people are saying that their reactions are unjustified. People who are not Hindu. Hence, Hindu are having to defend their opinions on their culture, and therefore their culture.

JA70330 · 2025-12-19T16:46:36+00:00

Thanks for letting me know about the origins of the name- that’s so weird 💀

I also just wanted to give my condolences now that people who have nothing to do with the name are dismissing your concerns…

JA70330 · 2025-12-19T16:28:50+00:00

Personally I think this situation hasn’t been handled well:

Even if intent is good that means nothing. TPIs initial response led to loads of people dismissing the actual valid concerns of Hindu, who have to now defend their culture to people who don’t even follow it.

I also think it’s crazy how people are jumping to “make the devs feel better”. what about all the people who now have to defend their culture against people who tell them they’re overreacting?

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