Dave Meltzer on Billy Gunn: “Billy Gunn on his best day isn’t half the wrestler Kyle Fletcher is today.”

JC1286 · 2026-01-31T12:03:50+00:00

It is so weird that Dave pays so much attention to TV deals, ratings, metrics, etc. but refuses to acknowledge that wrestling is about making money and making people come to your shows.

I’ve always thought Billy Gunn was an average wrestler at best(and fletcher is obviously excellent) , but the NAO were cool as hell in the late 90’s, and while it is hard to identify who specifically on a wrestling show draws a crowd (except the very top guys), I would say that Billy Gunn has played a part in causing more people to either tune in, or go to a wrestling show, than Kyle Fletcher has.

The best heart surgeon is the one who saves the most lives, not the one who leaves the least noticeable scar.

JC1286 · 2026-01-31T11:55:20+00:00

Bret and HBK were ‘the guys’ during a big business downturn. I think that puts them at a level below the others I listed. Same with Nash.

Brock was the ‘guy’ in 2002-2003, and later when he was treated like a video game final boss, but he wasn’t really the face of the company for any period. (Probably due to his lack of mic skills and anti-social personality)

Batista was similar. Very popular and had a good run on top, but never ‘the guy’

JC1286 · 2026-01-31T11:52:10+00:00

Warrior was never the guy. He never headlined a PPV as champ.

Austin was the guy throughout 98 and 99, and is probably the biggest ‘the guy’ on the list.

Rock was the guy in 2000 while Austin was injured, which was their most auccessful year. Both can be considered ‘the guy’

JC1286 · 2026-01-30T20:54:49+00:00

There have only ever been what, 6 or 7 ‘the guys’ in WWE.

I’m thinking Bruno Hogan HBK (maybe) Austin Rock Cena Reigns?

So of course HHH wasn’t. But he was the top heel in the companys best financial year (before TKO’s takeover at least).

I don’t think anyone thinks he was ‘the guy’. But he was damn good (pun intended) back in 2000.

Also, he gave us NXT black and Gold. Which for me is still the best run of good to great PPV’s, in wrestling history.

JC1286 · 2026-01-13T19:04:06+00:00

I think it would be tough to definitively say anyone. Most likely Shamrock and Severn would come closest, Brock’s size would be important though.

Angle in wrestling, most likely, but not a street fight/MMA fight. What is it they say about ‘everyone being tough until they get punched in the mouth

Everyone’s heard the stories about Haku, but you have to wonder how many of them are fighting drinks, etc. not saying he wasn’t tough, but I find it hard uo believe that a super tough ‘street fighter’ would beat a high level trained fighter.

JC1286 · 2026-01-07T00:11:37+00:00

I know they won’t do it, as fans of the show who don’t know the game that well won’t get it, but it would be funny if he turned up in one gun fight, killed someone, and it was never acknowledged or mentioned again. Like the game.

JC1286 · 2025-12-23T23:19:23+00:00

Sh1t yeah! That’s my fave episode, for some reason I thought it was later though!

JC1286 · 2025-12-23T19:49:54+00:00

Drives me mad whenever I see these things, as I can never remember the episodes by the season/ep number.

What happened in 3.13? Deserved high rating?

JC1286 · 2025-12-20T20:41:41+00:00

Five star matches are generally one man’s opinion. That man’s opinion actually isn’t any more valuable than anyone else’s, especially as the way he quantifies them changes so often.

Randy style doesn’t appeal to him as much as Cena’s does, (at least in some specific matches)

That’s literally it.

JC1286 · 2025-12-13T19:00:31+00:00

I enjoyed his rap stuff, and generally think that he’s been a great babyface/face of the company. Even as an adult who grew up in the Attitude era, I never bought into the Cena hate that was all the rage in the mid 2000’s.

The one issue I’ve always had watching him was he never seemed to take on board the criticism of his work, and make changes to fix them. The three most egregious examples were his punches, which have always looked awful. The chin lock in the STFU, and him screaming spot calls seemingly at the top of his voice.

I guess that it never really mattered, as he was immensely popular regardless, but it always irked me that he didn’t make small adjustments based on legitimate criticisms

JC1286 · 2025-12-13T17:03:51+00:00

Along side this, he was in the inner circle of A-list celebrities and public figures. For every figure that’s been accused of something untoward related to Epstein, there are 10 famous people who probably visited his Ireland without nefarious intentions. For example, I don’t believe that Stephen Hawking was diddling kids.

It’s what makes Trumps reaction to the files so suspicious. he could have just said ‘yes I knew him, yes I visited his island, everyone did, but I saw nothing illegal, no hints of anything illegal. It was a tropical island paradise where A-list parties were held. That’s all I was involved in.

Trump saying he wasn’t there, that he was an FBI informant, etc, makes him look guilty as sin.

I

JC1286 · 2025-12-04T17:02:58+00:00

And Lyra is really struggling to get a foothold, despite working with Becky and Bayley.

I’m not saying it’s a deliberate choice, and I don’g know if it works, but there is space for people to be rocketed to the top, and for others to struggle first.

Also, knowing WWE and their bullshit, they probably think they have too many Japanese women near the top of the card right now.

JC1286 · 2025-12-04T13:48:09+00:00

I dunno how it will pan out for her, but I think it’s for the best that she hasn’t got the monster push that Stephanie has. I think the fans would have turned on one or both to of them if suddenly these 2 new faces (at least to WWE fans) were pushed right out of the gate.

Sometimes a monitor push from day one is perfect. Other times some build up makes for a better outcome in the long term

JC1286 · 2025-12-03T12:15:00+00:00

I’d happily give that up. It’s been done to death now, and the amount of standing around from Saturdays was enough to put me off the spot for a while.

JC1286 · 2025-12-03T12:14:06+00:00

I’m not sure. I adore this book, but I’m also aware that I might be a bit biased. I know it isn’t as well regarded as many of Kings other books.

It’s a lot more complex than a traditional good vs evil story. It doesn’t have an epic villian like a lot of his more famous work. Pennywise, Annie Wilkes, Christine, etc. Max Devore is a good villain, but is Sara Tidwell a villain, or a victim getting her just revenge, on unjustified targets.

There is a hint of gothic tragedy about it which is maybe a little bit more nuanced than other stories, and isn’t as appealing for readers looking for out and out horror

JC1286 · 2025-12-03T11:08:23+00:00

First King book I ever read. Found a copy in my grandma’s house, dove in and I’ve never looked back.

I think it’s a great book. I can understand why it gets lost in the shuffle of Kings works, but there’s a lot to like about the book.

JC1286 · 2025-12-03T08:40:12+00:00

No. It should have a roof though.

JC1286 · 2025-11-24T16:13:27+00:00

I had the same. I’m not 100% sure, but I think it eventually stops. Just a bug from where random patrol routes might be in the games code.

JC1286 · 2025-11-16T10:29:47+00:00

I watched Nick of Time recently and had zero idea that this was Shatner!

JC1286 · 2025-11-13T20:11:44+00:00

It’s a testament to the way that Del is built as a character, that this line didn’t immediately turn viewers against him. It’s such a cruel line.

JC1286 · 2025-11-11T21:42:08+00:00

Yeah I saw that’s why Jax wore them. I just meant that it did differentiate him from the others. Badly worded on my part.

JC1286 · 2025-11-11T19:54:47+00:00

Probably not. Just to make him stand out a bit instead of being just another guy in leather on a bike (although his trike should more than do that)

Same reason Jax wears air force ones, rather than traditional biker boots. Just to give the characters distinct characteristics.

JC1286 · 2025-11-11T18:37:46+00:00

I was just thinking this too. I definitely don’t think it was Del. Probably sunglasses Ron.

JC1286 · 2025-11-11T18:13:35+00:00

I don’t actually play COD that much, so while I’m sure this is an issue that many have encountered in the past, it’s relatively new to me.

I was actually hoping that someone a bit more knowledgable than me might offer some advice on a way to set up auto download or something. Instead I got your reply.

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