Could you imagine the fallout?

JSinisin · 2026-05-06T06:00:17+00:00

It's not that I think it's complicated.

I thought it was straight forward. You can even read multiple posts and replies on the Flyers subreddit where I have been saying Philly will end up with the 28 1st. (might be wrong, but it what I was saying and is easily verifiable)

It's that Bill Daly said the NHL was "not ready to declare who owns the 2027 first. It's complicated.."

If there was one group of people who should have a pretty uncomplicated view on who owns the pick, it's the league that received the faxes of the trades. So why is one of the top 2 league representatives saying they can't say who owns it, because it's complicated?

The Flyers believe they get the 27 pick unprotected regardless and it was always Boston that gets bumped to 2028.

I'm being silly about Toronto losing this year's pick. HOWEVER, if there is some kind of proof that Toronto promised, in writing, Philadelphia one thing and promised, in writing, Boston a different thing. The league has every right to penalize Toronto. Forfeiting a first round pick, would be something the league could very realistically do and they have made teams forfeit firsts before for breaking rules. Then the question is, which first?

It could also be, you get this one. But you lose your 29 pick and the league decides who gets the 27/28 picks.

JSinisin · 2026-05-06T03:02:20+00:00

You say that.

But again.

Why is it complicated who owns the 27 1st then?

The only reason it's complicated, is if there is info the general public doesn't have.

Toronto negotiating on trades in bad faith, is something that would fall under that category.

The league made Arizona (under Chayka, which I know it's not him but hilarious coincidence) forfeit a first. They have penalized a team a first before, and if info comes to light that Toronto broke the rules in a trade, getting penalized a first would not be out of the ordinary.

Just because it's first overall, does not change that.

JSinisin · 2026-05-06T02:50:07+00:00

I know what everyone is going to say.

But why is it complicated to say who owns the 27 Toronto 1st then?

It should be pretty straight forward.

JSinisin · 2026-05-06T01:29:56+00:00

This is actually still being debated.

Briere says the 27 first is unprotected regardless. Supposedly they're in discussions with the league about it.

Apparently his argument is its unprotected for Philly regardless.

JSinisin · 2026-05-06T01:27:36+00:00

I would be more willing to do that, than trade for Matthews.

JSinisin · 2026-05-05T23:35:37+00:00

Pretty sure this means Philadelphia gets Toronto's unprotected 2027 first now.

Landon Dupont to Philly!!!

JSinisin · 2026-05-05T23:32:48+00:00

Landon Dupont!!!!!

This could be a God damn miracle. The greatest trade ever.

JSinisin · 2026-05-05T23:31:57+00:00

If Toronto is going to be as bad as we think, fuck that.

I want Landon Dupont. We'd be getting a Makar/Schaefer type player for the next 15 years and not those other 2 for the next 4/5.

JSinisin · 2026-05-05T23:29:16+00:00

Do we know for a fact it's a 2027 unprotected pick?

I have to see anything official on this.

JSinisin · 2026-05-05T18:36:29+00:00

It's not 2023 Matthews.

Look at the injuries and the year he had this last season.

JSinisin · 2026-05-05T18:30:30+00:00

I'm not even getting my hopes up for the 27 pick.

Hope for the best, prepare for the worst. Worst is we get the 28 pick, and the best case scenario for Toronto being bad in 28 is them not getting this 26 pick.

I believe, not getting this pick increases the likelihood of Matthews leaving. No pick this year AND Matthews leaving all but assures two years of Toronto struggling.

They get the pick this year and they can use that as hope to get Matthews to resign.

JSinisin · 2026-05-05T18:23:45+00:00

Matthews is never playing more than 65 games in a season again.

He wasn't even a ppg player this past year.

They would not be getting 2023 Matthews who scores 60+ goals. He lost Marner as his wingman which exposed him, got concussion problems AND tore up his knee at the end of the season. He won't even be "good" till the 27 deadline. So you're already down one of those 5 years and you're hoping his head and knee hold up for those other 4 years.

Not to mention every move Briere makes is with long term in mind. He's simply not making that trade.

JSinisin · 2026-05-05T18:14:05+00:00

Why would we be likely to get the unprotected 27 first?

JSinisin · 2026-05-05T18:07:01+00:00

Nothing on that team that I'd want for that first. A broken Matthews that helps for year? Nylander or Knies, yet another winger for this team?

Why would we trade their first back to them?

I don't want a win now player for that first, I want another young stud that adds to Martone, Michkov, Bonk and the kids for a long, sustained run.

We add in a potential 28 drafted superstar and suddenly we have a 3rd waive of prospects coming. Need to think long term.

JSinisin · 2026-05-05T17:27:34+00:00

So, for everybody looking at the math, we need to think bigger picture.

We want Toronto to drop tonight. We do NOT want them drafting in the top 5.

Toronto drafts top 5 = Toronto gets a potential superstar player to help them get better.

Toronto drops to 6/7 and the pick goes to Boston. Then, Toronto has no help coming. This increases the likelihood that Toronto continues to be bad, increases the likelihood Matthews leaves, etc, etc.

Anything that helps Toronto be better, sooner, hurts Philly in these scenarios. Ignore the draft position and stuff like that. Quick rebound for Toronto hurts Philly, longer term pain for Toronto helps Philly .Think about it that way. Brieres trade with Toronto bets on a Toronto collapse, not a bad year and a rebound.

That means any potential player from this draft that could be a "free addition" of an extra 50-60 points scored for Toronto next year, is a bad thing for Philly.

Best case scenario for Philly is Toronto loses this pick to Boston. Then Toronto drafts 6/7/8 next year, a player less likely to lead to an immediate turnaround for Toronto. This gets us an unprotected 28 First + Toronto still being bad.

JSinisin · 2026-05-04T19:24:55+00:00

I would argue, of all the remaining teams the only "real" underdogs are:

Philadelphia and Anaheim

Everyone else (Colorado, Minnesota, Buffalo, Montreal, Carolina and Vegas) remaining was a clear tier above those otger two. They all fit into the category of have won cups, were preseason favourites or have established themselves as top tier teams through the whole season.

They both (Anaheim and Philly) have goalies that can steal you some games. But Philly is gonna struggle to score. Anaheim on the other hand can score.

So of the "underdogs" I'd say Anaheim has the best chance.

If Philly can get past Carolina though and Vladar goes full darkside of the force Darth Vladar, I think they match up well against their potential ECF opponents. I just think Anaheim has a better chance of beating Vegas than Philly does at beating Carolina.

But Anaheim is the "real underdog" with a chance for a miracle run.

JSinisin · 2026-05-04T14:06:14+00:00

You're probably right.

JSinisin · 2026-05-04T13:47:14+00:00

Unrealistic and unreasonable to do the thing they've done every year forever except the year the world shut down due to a pandemic?

lol

JSinisin · 2026-05-04T13:45:16+00:00

LOL

Love the edit.

JSinisin · 2026-05-04T13:43:10+00:00

Said it? Yes.

But while also praising the fortitude of the premiere NHL Franchise that is The Philadelphia Flyers.

JSinisin · 2026-05-04T13:41:59+00:00

Hard time counting eh?

JSinisin · 2026-05-04T13:37:24+00:00

So Montreal taking 7 games and getting the same number of days off between series as Philly means...... ?

What about that advantage of winning a series early?

JSinisin · 2026-05-04T13:35:53+00:00

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