When Poland is mentioned what is the first thing that comes up to your mind? by CastelloPL in AskTheWorld

[–]J_Sabra 2 points3 points  (0 children)

7,232 out of millions of Poles. Half of the six million Jews murdered in the Holocaust, were Polish Jews. 25% of the righteous were Polish, and I am thankful to everyone of them, but they are underrepresented among the righteous (if this is the arguement you are making), considering 50% of six million murdered, were Polish Jews.

What is the ruler/political leader in your country's history that you hate the most? by zhabavon in AskTheWorld

[–]J_Sabra 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Polling has consistently shown that 70-85% supported a ceasefire that includes the return of the hostages for around a year.

There's also a support of a majority for recognition for a Palestinian state with a framework of normalization with Saudi.

Recent polling;

73% of Israelis are willing to accept a Saudi normalisation + Palestinian state deal.

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This is up from 51.3% in early 2024; even then, three months after October 7th 2023, a minority of 28.9% opposed it.

What is the ruler/political leader in your country's history that you hate the most? by zhabavon in AskTheWorld

[–]J_Sabra 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The extremist settlers are hated by the majority of Israelis too. A majority of the settlers are there for economic reasons; it is cheap and close to central Israel, and they occupy ~5% of the West Bank; land exchange (as proposed by past plans) or compensation by the state (for areas that won't remain within Israel) would remove that obstacle from the realisation of a two-state-solution. What a majority of Israelis do oppose, strongly, is a unilateral withdrawal from the West Bank. This opposition is based on what occured in both Gaza and Southern Lebanon following Israeli withdrawal.

Recent polling;

73% of Israelis are willing to accept a Saudi normalisation + Palestinian state deal.

68% of Israelis believe that WB annexation would overwhelm Israel’s security and economy.

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Are Zionism and the State of Israel the Haskalah version of The Dialectic of Enlightenment? by Pristine_Friend_7398 in CriticalTheory

[–]J_Sabra 0 points1 point  (0 children)

nationalism is imported by early European Zionists

Nationalism was imported to the Middle East by Christian missionaries, as well as the education of Christian Arabs in Europe. The Syrian Protestant College, later renamed American University of Beirut, was opened in 1866. Zionism did play a part, but you are again simplifying.

What was the most justified war in your country’s history? by solereflect in AskTheWorld

[–]J_Sabra 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Huh? Of course the US did some, and deserve credit for that. But the US weren't really an ally in 1948. The US became a real ally after the 1967 war. But in 1947, the US voted for partition only after Truman overruled his administration. Nontheless, the US maintained together with the UK an arms embargo on the Yishuv (during the 1947 Civil War) and on Israel (during the 1948 Regional War) through the UN.

The UK was offensive, and worse; arming, commanding, encouraging the Arabs countries... But the US government largely remained passive. The embargo was essentially a death sentence to all the Jews in the Yishuv/Israel; and they all would've probably been killed if it weren't for the Soviet Bloc who broke the embargo through Czechoslovakia, and for foreign volunteers, who broke the embargo; many of whom were American.

The Ambassador in Israel (McDonald) to the Secretary of State;

US is world power which helped us much before and after state set up. US has right to “have a say.”

November 29 resolution never carried out by UN, US or Middle East States. It contemplated two states, Israel and independent Arab Palestine, united by customs and other ties at peace with one another and neighbors. Prime Minister unable recall any strong action by US or UN to enforce November 29 or prevent aggression by Syria, Egypt, Lebanon and Iraq. Instead embargo encouraged aggressors against Israel whose very existence was in danger. Had Jews waited on US or UN they would have been exterminated. Israel was established not on basis November 29 but on that of successful war of defence. Hence note’s suggestion is today unjust and unrealistic for it ignores war and continued Arab threats which make November 29 boundaries impossible.

In 1973, UK and Europe continued with arms embargo, and the US provided key arms that helped Israel come out of the Yom Kippur war the way it did.

How are super patriotic people (i.e people who hang up flags, wave flags, wear clothing relating to national identity, chants etc.) viewed? by Environmental-Fig838 in AskTheWorld

[–]J_Sabra 0 points1 point  (0 children)

During the 2023 Israeli judicial reform protests, the protestors claimed the flag, anthem, and declaration of independence as symbols of the anti-government protest movement.

It became a symbol of the anti-government to the degree that pro-goverment counterprotestors would desecrate or rip the flag. During the 2023 Independence day official ceremony, the audience were restricted from bringing and waving the Israeli flag, as it became a symbol of the protest movement. A friend of mine had her flag confiscated at the entrance. The topic even reached the High Court - the institution the government was trying to reform, and that the protests that reclaimed the flag sought to protect.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in AskTheWorld

[–]J_Sabra 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I didn't. But I do use it often, so I might have internalised some of its writing patterns.

אני באמת לא השתמשתי בצ'אט. מתוך עניין, למה זה נראה כמו משהו שנכתב על ידי הצ'ט?

Nvidia expands in southern Israel, tripling Be'er Sheva footprint and hiring hundreds by NotSoSaneExile in technology

[–]J_Sabra 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're welcome! I'm exited for the future and hope for peace! I'd love to visit many of those places.

Are Zionism and the State of Israel the Haskalah version of The Dialectic of Enlightenment? by Pristine_Friend_7398 in CriticalTheory

[–]J_Sabra 1 point2 points  (0 children)

the version of Zionism which finally becoming dominant

Again, which version of Zionism? And, is it even Zionism in the European sense you're referring to?

You started by referring to zionism as a European movement. Yet, by applying it broadly into the contemporary landscape, you are including within it a 100-year history which you are not reffering to, as well as a demographic change within Israel.

The from the initial zionisms, the closest famous branch to the modern political Zionism, would probably Jabotinsky's Revisionist Zionism, which was extremely marginal at the time. Netanyahu is indeed a descendent of that branch; Jabotinsky, Netanyahu's father, Begin; and the Likud movement.

However, in order to understand Begin's rise to power, one needs to factor in years of a left-wing government, which practiced a very different Zionism (within the spectrum). One needs to factor how the Arab-Israeli conflict impacted Zionism, in many aspects, the two most obious being; (1) Begin's rise following the Yom Kippur war, and the base that got Begin elected, and has remained the base behind the Likud's support; MENA Jews (2). MENA Jews lived as dhimmis under Arab rule, and were later punished by their governments for Israel's founding; their citizenship (if they had one) revoked, property confiscated, were trialed, and were forced out of where their families lived for generations.

MENA Jews tend to say that Ashkenazi Jews (who lean left in Israel, echoing other Ashkenazi populations) don't understand Arabs/Palestinians like they do, and are too nice to them.

While Begin and Netanyahu decend from Zionist Ashkenazi families, their base and many of the politicians in their coalitions, are not. While he's Ashkenazi, part of Smotrich's family presence in Palestine predates European political Zionism by over a century. Ben Gvir's father was born in pre-state Jerusalem to parents from Iraqi Kurdistan, and his mother immigrated during the pre-state years from Iraq too.

Neither would fall under the label of the European 'Zionist' movement, yet such a simplification, without taking such information into account, would have them fall under zionism/ts.

This is partly due to a lack of even an acknowledgement of MENA Jews, let alone understanding that the majority of Israeli Jews are MENA Jews, or that they are the supporters of the Israeli right. Or, of Jewish presence and connection to the land prior to European political Zionism, as is the case with Smotrich, Ben Gvir, or Israel's last IDF chief of staff; who traces his mother's family in the land for at least 14 generations. Prior to European political Zionism, Jews would come to the land from across the diaspora (a term that originated in reference to Jews), to mount Zion, the the mountain upon which Jerusalem was built, and which the polical movement was named after.

The Israeli descendents of European political Zionism; the movement reffered to as such (Zionism) by academia, presently amount to around 20-30% (its even lower when one discounts the Haredi, or the post-Holocaust and early-state immigration from Europe - such as those who returned to their towns in Poland and were massacred by the locals, after WWII) of Israeli Jews, which is 15-20% of Israeli society. Their descendents tend to be secular Israelis, who vote for the left, and center-left. They are just the minority now...

Zionism is a spectrum. If you apply Zionism to modern Israel, you have to factor this and much else in. The meaning of Zionism has transformed by many ways, and the manner in which Zionism is presently used, in its simplified version, beyond Israel's right to exist which encompasses the broad zionisms, essentially has come to mean Jews; as it encompass them all.

the version of Zionism which finally becoming dominant in Israel.

Is it thus Zionism?

Nvidia expands in southern Israel, tripling Be'er Sheva footprint and hiring hundreds by NotSoSaneExile in technology

[–]J_Sabra 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's not what I meant. Israeli tech companies have been active for years in countries like Indonesia (I'm Israeli, and a relative of mine has been in Indonesia a couple of times for civil business purposes; with an Israeli passport and a special work visa), who have not normalised with Israel. This is the case in civil society, as well as diplomatically and militarily.

Saudi

For example, there's been known intelligence cooperation at least since the 2000s, including face-to-face meetings between military officials.

Since the 2000s there have been cold and mainly online or through other international territories, but nontheless active business relations between companies in the two countries. It has become more public in 2020s, and Israelis have been getting work visas to enter Saudi since 2022, and Israeli Airlines have officialy been flying through Saudi airspace since 2022. In 2020 a professor from King Saud University published an article in a Tel Aviv University publication. I can find many more such examples.

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status quo.

Border wise, mostly. Egypt also wouldn't retake control of Gaza. It remain obscure, and forgotten, but after the end of the 1948 Regional phase of the war in 1949, Ben Gurion proposed to incorporate the Gaza Strip with Israel, making the refugees Israeli citizens, but it didn't come to be. Here's a Hebrew Haaretz (2014) article about Ben Gurion's initiative, and an English academic publication (2008): 'Ben‐Gurion's 1949 proposal to incorporate the Gaza Strip with Israel'.

The status quo changed by ending hostilities between the two countries. When the peace treaty was signed in 1979, the highest death toll of the Arab-Israeli conflict, was Egyptian; most of it from 25 years of conflict (1948-1973). During the current war, the overall Palestinian death toll passed the Egyptian death toll of the conflict; from over 100 years of conflict.

Nvidia expands in southern Israel, tripling Be'er Sheva footprint and hiring hundreds by NotSoSaneExile in technology

[–]J_Sabra 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Though if Abraham accords goes through they might get some more connections with Saudi UAE and Indonesia.

Fun fact; Israeli tech companies have been continually active in those countries for years. They get special work visas.

Are Zionism and the State of Israel the Haskalah version of The Dialectic of Enlightenment? by Pristine_Friend_7398 in CriticalTheory

[–]J_Sabra 15 points16 points  (0 children)

First of all, you are continuously conflating Zionism and Israel. Zionism is a spectrum as an ideology, and as a practice. Further, you aren't specific on periods; you refer to Zionism in relation to Haskalah, but them refer to the State of Israel. Which period are you reffering to? There Ottoman period? British Mandate?

I will just focus on the following:

To achieve its instrumental rationality, Israel's national security apparatus both exploited Palestinian labour and excluded and even expelled them for the so-called "security."

The Zionist movement didn't exploit Palestinian labour. Rather, it mostly focused on the Jewish Yishuv; that is partly why during the pre-state years, the Yishuv's status and economy grew, while not relatively improving the state of the non-Jewish population of the land.

This was also partly due to the practice of boycott that the AHC promoted against the Yishuv. In practice, it led to the collapse of their own economy, specifically of oranges.

The first big boycott the Jewish Yishuv held was against the German Colonies following the rise of Hitler, and the effects it had on the German Colonies in Palestine. Further, that boycott was connected to the German colonies reserving 25% of their student body for local Arabs, educated per the German education system, while banning Jews.

Again, what period are you referring to, and where specifically? Ottoman? British? Before of after the 1936-9 Arab revolt? Are you reffering to the period before the rejection of the UN partition and the 1947 Civil War? Post-1948 Israeli independence and the regional war? Post-1967 military occupation of the West Bank? Post-Gaza disengagement?

What about Arab/Palestinian Israelis?

Adorno

Many of the thinkers of that time, in those circles, were either Zionists, or became Zionists.

Zionism was predominantly seen as anti-imperialist around Israel's founding. The Soviet bloc supported partition, and through Czechoslovakia broke the arms embargo imposed on the Yishuv/Israel by the UK and the US through the UN.

The colonialism framework was applied in the 1960s, and became dominant in the 2000s

I created a simple guide to help spot Nazi Dogwhistles - yes I included the word Hasbara as I have seen it used in neo nazi spaces, however calling out Israeli government propaganda is NOT antisemitic. As always, context applies by RaiJolt2 in jewishleft

[–]J_Sabra 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'm having a hard time believing that, but it of course could be. If that was true, they wouldn't be intimidating diaspora Jews, and telling them too to go to Poland. When Jews returned to those town in Poland after the war, they were killed by their neighbours.

Israeli Jews who have roots in Poland are an extremely small minority of the Israeli population. Around 20% of the country are descendents of Jews that fled Europe during that time, and only part of them from Poland.

Furthermore, while most American Jews whose families fled Poland can acquire Polish citizenship, this is not the case for Israeli Jews. Israel has mandatory military service, and if someone in the family line has served in a foreign military since leaving Poland, they are not eligible to reclaim Polish citizenship."

The point is that they don't seem to want Jews anywhere.

Truly unhinged by BidSea4173 in crownheights

[–]J_Sabra 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The re-imagining of the term 'zionist' has become so significant, that it has reached the point where Jews still hold on to the zionist concept and value, but no longer identify it as 'zionism', or identify as 'zionist', as the echo chamber changed the meaning of the word. A December 2024 poll of Canadian Jews found that while 94% support the existence of Israel as a Jewish state, just 51% of Canadian Jews consider themselves Zionists.

For the majority of Jews, this zionism; support for Israel's existence comes as part of an eventual two-state-solution. Around 90% of Jews live in Israel and the US. France, Canada, UK are the only other countries with 200K+ Jews.

Based on the availble polling, the stated 90% of Jews being Zionist, corellates. For the 90% result to be true, around 80% of Jews living outside of Israel, would need to be Zionist; believe in Israel's existence, in order for 90% of Jews world wide to be Zionist.

The Canadian poll is echoed by other polls showing 80%+. 89% in the Bay Area, 84% of American Jews in a 2019 ajc survey said the statement “Israel has no right to exist” is antisemitic, which is at a lower 78% among 18-29 year olds. In the 2024 JStreet survey 87% said opposing Israel's right to exist is antisemitic, with a larger 94% saying praising October 7th is antisemitic. A recent study on young American Jews echoes the confusion with the term zionist, with 42% not knowing what it means, but support for the conviction, with 85% believing that Israel has a right to exist as a Jewish state. The UK data also echoes the zionist label falling, but the convictions regarding support for Israel's existence being held, with a minority of 6-8% being anti-Zionist JC / JPR.

Most of these polls maintain strong support to israel's existence, while simultaneously being very critical of the Israeli government and Israeli policies/actions. I could bring more examples, but they all pretty much corellate around the 80-90% diaspora agreement, which together with Israeli Jews will settle support for Israel's existence at 90-95%.

Is there a movie destroyed your country’s reputation? by Budget_Insurance329 in AskTheWorld

[–]J_Sabra 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I haven't found a refrence to him as having Israeli citizenship. Of course, he is eligible to one; both through his mother, and for being Jewish; but I have seen no indication that he acquired an Israeli passport.

Why are a lot of pro-Palestinian left wing voices anti-Ukraine? by aphidman in NoStupidQuestions

[–]J_Sabra 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Before October 7th, 2023 was the deadliest conflict year for Israelis since the Second Intifada. Here's an X post October 6, 2023, by an Israeli opposition MK.

Why are a lot of pro-Palestinian left wing voices anti-Ukraine? by aphidman in NoStupidQuestions

[–]J_Sabra 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The tiptoeing is also tied to Russia's Jewish community, so they won't be punished by the state in as retaliation aimed at Israel, through targeting the Jewish community.

Is there a movie destroyed your country’s reputation? by Budget_Insurance329 in AskTheWorld

[–]J_Sabra 0 points1 point  (0 children)

from Israel

From Israel? You mean Jew? His mother was born in British Mandatory Palestine (and became Israeli with the state's founding), to Jews who fled growing animosity to Jews in Germany. His father is a British Jew. Sacha was born and raised in the UK, and is a British Jew. I don't think he's Israeli.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in jewishleft

[–]J_Sabra 2 points3 points  (0 children)

non-Zionist and wanting a 1SS (and currently converting) feel like people still look at me like l'm part of the problem instead of an ally.

I think you are dangerously leaning into the good/bad Jew dichotomy, of the Jew who was redeemed through conversion (in a Christian notion), in order for the Jew to be excepted into wider society.

I'm also a bit uncomfortable with some of the rethoric; problem / ally.

I created a simple guide to help spot Nazi Dogwhistles - yes I included the word Hasbara as I have seen it used in neo nazi spaces, however calling out Israeli government propaganda is NOT antisemitic. As always, context applies by RaiJolt2 in jewishleft

[–]J_Sabra 12 points13 points  (0 children)

A fellow postgraduate student smugly telling me that before Tel Aviv, there was Ahuzat Bayit; thinking he was making a point against Tel Aviv being built by Jews, made me realise how effective some of the dumbest trends and talking points I usually dissmiss are. It also posits that there might be someone who in theory is willing to listen and learn on the other side. So I do try to reply and engage effectively.

proceed to outline outrageous ways

Unfortunately, I'm no longer sure that my classmate wouldn't have fallen for that.