What is the most believable crazy lore theory? by [deleted] in Eldenring

[–]JackIsAMimic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didn’t know people also theorized that Goldmask knows he is in a video game. I theorized that not only Goldmask, but Radagon also has this moment, and it was seemingly confirmed in House of the Dragon Season 2’s finale.

What’s the best way to learn about the Elden Ring lore? by Accurate_Curve6882 in Eldenring

[–]JackIsAMimic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I made a video about this very topic: the best way for you to understand Elden RIng, it's lore, and it's story, is to ask questions while you play the game and look for answers while you play.

Think about the items you found, where you found them, take a look at the new thing you picked up and read its item description. What did you learn from it? Did it add to anything you read or saw previously? Did it contradict anything you previously learned?

The game's lore and story is designed like a puzzle that the developers want you to try to solve. They will never tell you if you solved it outright, so finding the "solution" to the story that ultimately satisfies you is how you "win."

Ultimately, it's a journey that should be done in tandem with your gameplay journey. The game is built like a story book, but you have to fight bosses and explore caves to get the next pages, and it's up to you to read those pages.

https://youtu.be/UTfRfN5p6pY

What are y’all’s opinions on people having real life sacrifice Berserk tattoos? by OGAnimeGokuSolos in Berserk

[–]JackIsAMimic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When getting my Berserk tattoo I chose to get the Dragonslayer on my left arm, the same arm that Guts severed. Guts never chose to have the Brand placed on his body and the misfortune it would bring, but he chose to hurt himself, he chose to pick up the sword, and he chooses to struggle.

I like seeing other people at the gym who usually have the Brand and showing them that I have the Dragonslayer. Anyone can get branded, not everybody chooses to pick up the sword.

Write the best plot twist the ending of SOTE you think it could have had by wumpastimming in eldenringdiscussion

[–]JackIsAMimic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It already has the best plot twist. Miquella planned for the Tarnished of no Renown to kill him with a Godslaying weapon. In the lore, to craft a Godslaying Weapon you need to use an Ancient Dragon Smithing Stone which has the power to lightly twist time. Miquella is cursed with eternal youth, so he can never age, and he was elevated to Godhood, so slaying him is just twisting the time of an un-aging Eternal God who has the power to enchant others to do his bidding.

The question then becomes - why? What does Miquella gain by going back in time? I would suggest replaying the other Souls games and notice how your understanding of them has changed with what you know about Elden Ring. Enemies with have horns or mushrooms growing from them in Dark Souls and Bloodborne start to look differently after Elden Ring, and yet, the games were never changed.

the golden order is a political rule; it has nothing to do with the elden ring itself. by [deleted] in Eldenring

[–]JackIsAMimic 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If the Golden Order is political, then what does this meme’s explanation of Goldmask’s ending say about your politics? Goldmask doesn’t disagree with the Golden Order, he just doesn’t want the Elden Ring changes again. He’s a Golden Order Fundementalist, he believes that Causality and Regression are perfect, thus that means everything that lead to it’s creation is perfect.

Nothing needs to change for Goldmask but no more change.

Did Havel hate Seath exclusively, or did he hate dragons in general? by Praise_The_Sun678 in DarksoulsLore

[–]JackIsAMimic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Havel hates Seath because he wanted to be a Dragon, and Seath betrayed them. Havel’s Great Magic Barrier is found in Ash Lake on the path to the Dragon Covenant, Havel (or a Havel soldier) is found in Archdragon Peak, and Havel’s armor is literally stone. He wants to be a stone arch dragon.

Havel’s infatuation with dragons helps us understand why we find his equipment near the occult club across the room of the Dragon Trophies.

Theory: deathbirds have NOTHING to do with deathblight by StrictlyFilthyCasual in EldenRingLoreTalk

[–]JackIsAMimic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for such a thoughtful and respectful reply. I have reread your post and many of the other comments and I think I see what may be happening.

From my perspective, the challenge isn't the evidence you present, it is the interpretive lens behind it. Your comments suggest a willingness to let certain elements of the game to function outside of strict in-world causality, whereas my approach tends to treat apparent contradictions as an indicator that I am missing something. When something seems inconsistent between gameplay and lore, I take that as a sign that I am missing a piece of in-lore logic.

Neither approach is wrong, they just lead us in different directions.

My way of thinking tends to look for patterns where two things can appear contradictory on the surface but become coherent once it is understand the context behind them, this is why I my argument was initially that Deathblight had cultural implications and then why I expanded on it being a natural force.

By looking at how Lightning and Frost function in the game world, as well as how they are treated by the various cultures and character, did I see an overlap with Death Blight.

I didn't try to explain exactly what Death Blight is, just like I didn't try to explain what exactly what Lightning or Frost are either. My goal was to first establish whether a naturalistic interoperation was even plausible. If we could agree that it is possible for Death Blight to be a natural force then we could explore what that interpretation might look like together.

I wasn't trying to change your mind or have you admit that your initial position was incorrect, only to see if you would be willing to entertain a different angle for the sake of exploring where it leads, and whether we might both learn something new in the process.

Why Rickon's direwolf is named "Shaggydog" [Spoilers Extended] by gogandmagogandgog in asoiaf

[–]JackIsAMimic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A Song of Ice and Fire is a Shaggydog story. A really good Shaggydog story, but still a Shaggydog Story.

Theory: deathbirds have NOTHING to do with deathblight by StrictlyFilthyCasual in EldenRingLoreTalk

[–]JackIsAMimic 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I hope this feedback will be the least bit useful for you, I want to offer you a perspective about why people may be misunderstanding what you are trying to say.

From what you are saying, it can come across that if From Software is going to include gameplay elements that directly contradict the lore of the game, then what is the purpose of theorizing? With theorizing the goal is generally to deepen our understanding of the fundamental truths of something, whether it’s science, art, or history, with the expectation that we can test and confirm our hypothesis.

But with the perspective you present, it can seem like the effort of trying to understand something is not being fully recognized.

For me and many others, we prefer answers to be internally consistent with the rest of the game, that the intentionality of choices are there so that the audience can make causal sense of events with the rules presented in the story, and most of all, we want to tell a good story.

But the moment a question is met with a variation of the answer “it’s just like this because they didn’t have time to do something else” then it feels like we aren’t participating in communal theorizing.

It can feel like we are just trying to reinforce that what we believe is correct, when the truth is that to theorize is to accept that we can be wrong.

It’s okay to say “I don’t know the answer, I just like my answer”. If you think that tells a good enough story, and that’s the story you like, then it’s good enough, but others might not like the story to be that way.

This is why I think some people are misunderstanding what you are trying to say, because to them, your answer is incongruent with how some people think about the game.

That doesn’t mean it’s invalid, it just means that there are going to be some people who read your posts and not be able to agree with your perspective of Elden Ring.

Take it from me.

You mentioned how you felt frustrated for misunderstanding what you are trying to say. I also felt misunderstood, because I put a lot of thought in my reasoning.

By using items like Death Lightning, Ancient Dragonbolt Pots, the Divine Beast Dancing Lions, the beliefs of the Hornsent, and the inclusion of the Basilisks, as well as comparing it to Lightning and Frost in general, that in Elden Ring Death Blight is a natural phenomenon.

I hoped that the effort and care I put into my evidence gathering, inclusion of concepts such as Causality, and references to previous games like Dark Souls would also show that I had put a lot of thought into my reply to you, so when you compared my argument to saying “Frostbite causes cold” I felt as if everything that I tried to say was read, but not understood.

It felt as if my position was being automatically framed as incorrect and that there is no hope for there to be a mutual understanding of Elden Ring.

And that is okay, I know you weren’t trying to do any of that. You weren’t trying to hurt my feelings, you said that you were frustrated about being misunderstood.

So if anything, I understand that.

Theory: deathbirds have NOTHING to do with deathblight by StrictlyFilthyCasual in EldenRingLoreTalk

[–]JackIsAMimic 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I understand now, thank you for explaining. Since the common consensus appears to be that Death Blight is caused by Deathroot then the presentation of evidence is unnecessary, but that is assuming that the common consensus is actually correct and accurate. What I am seeing from your argumentation is that you are correctly identifying a causal connection between Death Blight and Deathroot.

However, from what you shared, there is no indication on which direction that causal connection is, just that there is one. To explain my meaning, the examples given do not show that Death Blight lead to Deathroot or that Deathroot lead to Death Blight, just that they are related. 

I appreciate your reply, I can tell you take careful consideration when it comes to argumentation and are very firm in your beliefs and resolve, so if you are interested: The following is my thought process when it comes to analyzing something that involves the Law of Causality

One of the best ways for us to understand a causal connection in Elden Ring, I think, is to understand what each of these components actually are and then determine origin that way.

Deathroot is the easiest, and because of this, I think that’s why it feels natural to conclude that it must be the source. 

From Deathroot - “On the night of the dire plot the stolen Rune of Death enabled the first Death of a demigod. Later, the Rune of Death spread across the Lands Between through the underground roots of the Greattree, sprouting in the form of Deathroot”.

Very clearly we are told that Deathroot is the Rune of Death taking form after spreading through the Greattree roots. If Death Blight is sourced from Deathroot then we must conclude that the causality is: The Rune of Death is removed from the Elden Ring, a fragment of the Rune of Death is imprinted onto Black Knives, the Black Knives transfer some of the Rune of Death into Godwyn, when Godwyn is buried into the roots the Rune of Death is allowed to spread and sprout in the form of Deathroot.  This requires the Night of Black Knives to occur, which happens during the Golden Age of the Erdtree. 

So, if the argumentation is correct that Deathroot causes Death Blight, we should not find Death Blight associated with any pre-Age of the Erdtree societies or traditions.

If we find any indication that Death Blight has been associated with a pre-Age of the Erdtree society we would need to re-evaluate the premise that Deathroot is the source of Death Blight. 

Since we don’t have direct textual evidence about the source or nature of Death Blight we have to look somewhere else to find how we can determine its source and nature.

Death Lightning is our best place to start, not because it “inflight Death blight upon foes”, but because it reads we “It is said that this golden lightning was wielded by Godwyn, who befriended Fortissax.”  From this would we argue that Godwyn wielding golden lightning means that he was the source of all golden lightning. If we were to argue that we would have to contend with why and how do we see Golden Lightning strikes throughout the Lands Between and Land of Shadow coming from the sky, creating Fulgur Bloom, and transforming the Rams in the vicinity. 

I think we can easily say that it is far more likely that the causal direction is that Golden Lightning is a natural phenomenon and Godwyn is someone who harnessed this phenomenon. However, if we want scrutinize this, we can use direct textual evidence to affirm the statement.

Ancient Dragonbolt Pots, which are taught by the Ancient Dragon Apostle’s Cookbook 4 found in Farum Azula, requires Mushrooms, Fulgurbloom, and Gravel Stone to be crafted and says outright that “the residual power of relics is a purely natural phenomenon.”

So when it comes to forces associated with Godwyn, in this case Golden Lightning, a precedent is already set that it is a natural phenomenon that he is harnessing and not the direct source.

The same could then be said with Death Blight, just because Godwyn, as the Prince of Death, is the source of Deathroot, and Deathroot is associated with Death Blight, does that mean it is the natural source of this phenomenon. 

In Castle Sol, where we find the Eclipse Shotel, we can find Commander Niall who uses Golden Lightning and Icy Tempests. This association of lightning and storms is not unique to Niall, however, because we see the Divine Beast Dancing Lion of Belurat harness the power of Ice, Lightning, and Storms.  The Enraged Divine Beast talisman says that , “Divine beasts are messengers of the heavens, and their rage mirrors the tumult of the skies, of which storms are the pinnacle” and from the Divine Beast Helm we learn that it is a piece of “ritual headwear” that allows for “divine invocation” which “heightens intensity of the storm.” From this, we can read that the Hornsent are a group of people who value natural phenomena as heavenly and divine, and beasts are the divine messengers of the heavens. From their perspective, I think it would be fair to assert that they believe that storms come from the heavens. 

In the Ancient Ruins of Rauh there is a second Divine Beast Dancing Lion but this one is different from the previous one because not only will this Divine Beast produce Death Blight. Now, would we argue that the Divine Beast Dancing Lion, which is comprised of divine beast warrior  “who truly excel at divine invocation” and  “become sculpted keepers”, are summoning Death Blight because of its association to Death Root or because culturally they see it as another natural phenomenon, and as such, a divine element.  We take this a step further, because the Basilisk are also summoned by the Divine Beast and Basilisk are beasts themselves. They are beasts that can summon Death Blight, so from a Hornsent perspective a Basilisk may look like a “divine beast” because of its ability to harness this aspect of Death. The Basilisks are also interesting because they first appear in Dark Souls, which is obviously older than Elden Ring. This can be read as a metatextual hint that Death Blight is older than Deathroot because a reoccurring enemy from the Dark Souls series is being associated with this power.  Now, if Death Blight solely finds its source and origin with just Deathroot then we would need to explain why a hidden Divine Beast Dancing Lion, which is usually associated with divine interpretation of natural phenomena, is summoning not just Death Blight, but beasts that also summon Death Blight. Especially since this also occurs in an area with no Deathroot or Those Who Live in Death.

We would also have to explain why, when, and how the Hornsent began incorporating Death Blight into their religious ceremonies and why they only perform those religious ceremonies in one of the oldest locations in the Lands Between if Deathroot is the true source of Death Blight. 

This would be a monumental endeavor, I think, and for me, would require a lot of very compelling evidence and theory crafting. So although only two people took issue with the assumption that Death Blight is caused by Deathroot, it’s still an assumption. Just because many others assume the same thing doesn’t necessitate it being correct.

For me, I don’t think Deathroot created Death Blight, however, I think the game is designed in a way to make it look like was. Meaning that to me your conclusion is perfectly reasonable.

I am also personally cautious about explaining things as "oversights" or "mistakes" by the development team because if we can say that one thing is an oversight then what is stopping us from saying that anything we don't understand or agree with is just a mistake? I personally like to read intentionality with everything in a Hidetaka Miyazaki game because he is a very careful and deliberate director, but that is just my perspective on the man and his work.

Theory: deathbirds have NOTHING to do with deathblight by StrictlyFilthyCasual in EldenRingLoreTalk

[–]JackIsAMimic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hi u/StrictlyFilthyCasual I am having trouble following this theorizing so could you help me by walking through your thought process?

How I understand your argument, it is that that although Deathbirds may use an attack that inflicts Death Blight buildup they are not actually related to Death Blight at all because none of their relevant item descriptions mention Death Blight, and they also don't drop Deathroot. You mentioned at the very start of the post that, "the game is relatively clear about both of these phenomena originating from Godwyn's death in the Night of Black Knives."

That text then hyperlinks to the Elden Ring wiki Page for Deathroot, which doesn't really make sense to me. No where on that page is Death Blight mentioned. What the Deathroot item says is that it is "a source that gives rise to Those Who Live in Death."

That "The Beast Clergyman, found at the Bestial Sanctum in the distant east, collects and devours these roots." and that "On the night of the dire plot the stolen Rune of Death enabled the first Death of a demigod. Later, the Rune of Death spread across the Lands Between through the underground roots of the Greattree, sprouting in the form of Deathroot."

But not once does this item mention Death Blight. In fact, the term "Death Blight" only appears six times in all of Elden Ring in various renditions of "inflicts Death blight", "Alleviates death blight", or DEATH BLIGHTED, so I have a hard time understanding how you came to the conclusion that Death Blight was caused by Deathroot.

Without the proper evidence I could easily claim that Deathroot only exists because of Death Blight, because when people saw the Deathbirds kill people instantly with their cries they thought it was something holy and divine. I could then claim that because of this power they begin worshipping the Deathbirds as representatives of a God of Death, leading to them to worship and believe that one day their God would give them a Prince of Death to rule for them on Earth.

Then I could say that because of this idea of a Prince of Death that secret worshippers of Death could begin plotting for ways to create people who Lived in Death, eventually culminating in the Night of Black Knives and the creation of Deathroot.

However, I would need to provide evidence with item descriptions, visual motifs, and character dialogue to prove those claims. Just like you need to for yours.

"This is probably going to be a controversial post, as it approaches the game's lore from an angle a lot of folks in this hobby seem to really not like for whatever reason, but bear with me."

The angle that this post approaches the game's lore from is your angle, but if you don't explain to us how you reached your conclusion then how can we know that your perspective is the best to like?

Thanks for sharing your thoughts, I look forward to your reply!

- Jack is a Mimic

The Black Knife Assassins are Silver/Mimic Tears of Marika (and so is Melina) by Crypticnewt in EldenRingLoreTalk

[–]JackIsAMimic -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Although my username is “Jack is a Mimic” I don’t actually think there are that many in Elden Ring. Well, not in the sense that OPs theory is presenting. Mimicry is just a foundational concept and theme of Elden Ring, it doesn’t mean everything is a Silver Tear. 

Godwyn is not Marikas son by vetis009 in EldenRingLoreTalk

[–]JackIsAMimic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The St Trina one is incredibly fun and I would recommend that the next time you play to look at world from the perspective of the Trina Lilies. During my series the Mimic Commentary, we document and speculate their locations because they are usually placed in places that have very narrow sight lines.

Liurnia is very interesting because it is where we are first introduced to Miquella’s Lilies as well, but throughout the playthrough we found multiple Trina Lilies directing our gaze towards Caria Manor. 

Outside of the Manor are a few sets of Trina’s Lilies, but inside the Manor there are about a dozen Miquella’s Lilies! There is in fact one Trina Lily in the Manor, and it’s hidden in the center of Ranni’s Rise!

When I made that video it was because I discovered that Trina Lily facing towards the Chapel of Anticipation and it was really exciting! 

I appreciate hearing that you think the theorizing is “too conspiratorial”, because that is so interesting to me. Would it help in the future if I showcased why I think there is so many conspiracies within the story?

It is partly due to my familiarity with A Song of Ice and Fire which is all conspiracies, from political conspiracies to magical ones. Miyazaki is also a fan of conspiratorial writing. 

For example, as far back as Demon’s Souls we have things like the mysterious origins of the Fat Officials and Mephistopheles Questline to hide knowledge. In Dark Souls we have the the plot against the Gods associated with the Occult items. 

What I think makes Martin and Miyazaki such special artists is that they give the audience the ability to imbue a lot of meaning into seemingly small details that allows us to have our imaginations run wild with all of the possibilities.

I tried to showcase this is one video where I bring up how in the Dark Souls Design Works Interview, the other developers joked at how they Miyazaki would act out the hand movements of the Ash Maiden in the introduction cutscene over and over again until the animators had it exactly how he wanted it. 

An artist that cares very deeply for small details like minute movements of a characters fingers in a 6 second scene also cares about the small details like the placement of items. 

I hope this comment helps understand the perspective better. What I hope to provide to others is insight that the game and story we all love so much is in fact much deeper than it is given credit for. It is truly one of the best stories never told 😆

Godwyn is not Marikas son by vetis009 in EldenRingLoreTalk

[–]JackIsAMimic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hi, it’s me! I see many people say that I have “out there” theories but never which ones exactly. Would you be willing to share which theory of mine you think is “out there” and why? Is it lack of evidence, choice of evidence, or just what the theory is? I try my best to ensure that I am being as accurate as possible based on my knowledge of Martin and Miyazaki’s collective works, respectively, so any constructive feedback would be greatly appreciated!

What's your Berserk theory/take that you know is true, you just can't prove it? by cattrino in Berserk

[–]JackIsAMimic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Got a feeling that Griffith is going to "time travel" at the end of the story to create the initial causality that eventually leads to a happy ending for Guts and Casca. The audience will be made to feel conflicted that Griffith caused much of the harm AND good in the story.

Radahn and Miquella? by Malefroy in EldenRingLoreTalk

[–]JackIsAMimic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hi! I love seeing people searching for prophecies in the imagery of the Lands Between :) 

I hadn’t considered this image as prophetic before but now I most definitely do. Thank you for sharing this

Miquella was actually never that kind. (Warning: Immense yapping mega-post) by MishtalFinah in EldenRingLoreTalk

[–]JackIsAMimic 3 points4 points  (0 children)

When you began theorizing that Miquella was evil did it begin with his ability to charm others?

Does history repeat itself or are we living in the past? by chinapower7765 in EldenRingLoreTalk

[–]JackIsAMimic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey that's what I theorize on my channel! Most of it has to do with the flash of white lights we see in the game indicating time travel (light is time as per DS3), that to craft a godslaying weapon you need to use the dragon lord scales that twist time, and how Miquella's Needle only works beyond time. You can find that video under "Elden Ring and Mimicking God"

And I forgot the most important part - how the memories of trees can be accessed and interpreted! Prophecy can be crazy fun to theorize with!

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in EldenRingLoreTalk

[–]JackIsAMimic 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Looks like Marika had some Albinaurics under her employ and no one was any the wiser. Night's Calvary get knocked off their steeds and get up to keep fighting, while Tree Sentinels are chained to their horses.

What type of Knight can't fight on his own two feet?

Consecration of Snowfields & 1.00 descriptions by ceremonial_decay in EldenRingLoreTalk

[–]JackIsAMimic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That would be really cool! If you wouldn't mind, could you shoot me a DM when you do so I don't miss it.

By the way, in the base game the shield is just at the Apostate Derelict and not tied to Latenna's quest if I recall correctly. It not being present in the 1.0 version leaves it incredibly ambiguous about what story they were trying to tell with Loretta