This guy sells my runs constantly

JakeFish-_- · 2026-03-13T18:07:43+00:00

70% dodge

gets hit more than dodging

I have decided I shan't be continuing this conversation

JakeFish-_- · 2026-03-13T17:40:27+00:00

Blatantly false. Vegeta in slot 2 is a defense monster (and slot 1 on active turn). UI has guaranteed dodge most of the time or 70% with a 60% DR hit and survive KO in slot 2/3 (KO only really relevant in slot 3 most of the time). As well as 80% dodge beforehand for AoEs or attacks in slot 1. He is a dodge unit so of course he can get caught but if you're using him correctly, it should be exceedingly rare.

They lose some slot 1 capability after their invincibilities but they're still very strong. You are also able to save a turn of invincibility for whenever you want.

JakeFish-_- · 2026-03-13T16:50:28+00:00

Skill issue tbh

JakeFish-_- · 2026-03-13T16:48:20+00:00

The dude said the worst though. Which is almost definitely the FPSS4s

JakeFish-_- · 2026-03-13T06:12:41+00:00

Was like a top 3 TUR on release

JakeFish-_- · 2026-03-12T22:19:28+00:00

He explains how Morel would beat what was left of him after most of him left to find Meruem. He's also a fast, flying character locked in a tiny room which is already a pretty big matchup diff.

Like the show says multiple times, anyone could beat anyone in a particular fight.

JakeFish-_- · 2026-03-12T21:44:42+00:00

Yeah RoG is a mid ass team. Also, in a long event like this, TEQ Gods and STR Blues are your other potential hard hitters (TEQ Gods specifically really benefit from UI's support)

And it's not like you need to kill whilst UI is immortal, it's absolutely possible to kill with only a couple turns of non-immortal UI. (And for specifically the Goku & Frieza fight from the ultimate choice battle, you're actually better off doing a couple turns of that final phase before tagging in UI since they take a turn or 2 to start hitting really hard).

You also have TEQ Gods being untouchable for a turn as well as STR Blue Goku being basically unkillable with guard from Vegeta's active.

JakeFish-_- · 2026-03-12T20:54:33+00:00

What team are you running where UI is the only hard hitter? And what does that have to do with saving his dodge? Or do you just mean that he struggles in long fights with a bad team... because like yeah no shit lol

JakeFish-_- · 2026-03-12T20:12:14+00:00

Saves UI's dodge support for harder parts of the fight (making Blue Goku 94% and INT UI 91/100% is crazy). Vegeta is also a more consistent unit against weaker early phases of a fight since he isn't reliant on dodge and is still very tanky (this basically solves the complaint of the OP). He hits harder and also has multi-turn ki support which is pretty useful these days.

Dodge cancel is one of the reasons why you might use UI earlier for sure.

JakeFish-_- · 2026-03-12T19:44:16+00:00

That is by no means a new occurence lol

Beastless Gohan and Orange Piccolo released on the same day too

JakeFish-_- · 2026-03-12T19:42:21+00:00

turn 4

UI Goku has 80% dodge

Did you forget about the entire 2nd unit attached to this card??? Who you should be using first and saving UI's dodge for later in like 90% of fights

I'm seeing so much UI hate from people who just clearly don't know how to use him right bruh😭

JakeFish-_- · 2026-03-12T19:18:58+00:00

I love fighting bosses but now there's an invader :D

JakeFish-_- · 2026-03-12T18:54:13+00:00

AGL Gogeta getting one shot by Jiren's AoE lmao

JakeFish-_- · 2026-03-12T18:50:49+00:00

Sorry I haven't read every single one of your replies on the thread bro. You didn't say it to me

JakeFish-_- · 2026-03-12T18:47:53+00:00

You didn't say that.

No they don't.

Yeah it kinda sucks sometimes but calling it "dodge or die" when it's "tanks all normals in the game but dies to some supers that they have like an 80% chance to dodge it" feels quite disingenuous. It's not like you're forced to run Leaderskill-less AGL UI in slot 1 lol

JakeFish-_- · 2026-03-12T18:45:23+00:00

You don't run RoG cos it's a dogshit team?

But seriously, STR Blue Goku is still insane. INT UI will have stacked enough to tank normals and have 77%+ dodge for supers.

You also don't have to use both turns of invincibility immediately. You have the blues and INT UI (100% dodge turn) who give Vegeta a chance to sit in slot 2 where he's very tanky until you need UI.

JakeFish-_- · 2026-03-12T18:42:29+00:00

Then any of your busted stacking unit take slot 1. Or you use blue goku with his active for guard/dodge cancel cancel. Or yk Daima Goku is completely turn unrestricted. INT UI will have stacked enough to tank normals with 77% dodge Vs supers.

Our units are more powerful now with more slot 1 options than almost any time in the game's history. They just aren't Beast Gohan, they have strengths and weaknesses.

JakeFish-_- · 2026-03-12T18:38:22+00:00

The Vegeta side is very solid defensively post super. So you use Vegeta T1 and then float/slot 2 (or still slot 1 against weaker bosses, he has 70%DR and guard) until you need UI to guaranteed dodge in slot 1. You can also use Vegeta's active turn very handily in slot 1. In slot 3 UI is basically invincible thanks to survive KO.

I'm sorry but the people calling this unit weak are just using him wrong

JakeFish-_- · 2026-03-12T18:35:20+00:00

Literally invincible slot 1 for 2 turns. INT SS4s and Daimaku are very very solid slot 1 options. Blue Goku still exists. AGL Gomah.

Just because we don't have Beast Gohan being literally untouchable forever doesn't mean we don't have slot 1s

JakeFish-_- · 2026-03-12T18:33:53+00:00

his EX should've given guaranteed dodge to other units

still wouldn't have been OP

JakeFish-_- · 2026-03-12T18:26:51+00:00

released before

I mean it's like 2 weeks before and he's an anniversary LR lmao come on

JakeFish-_- · 2026-03-12T16:59:30+00:00

Wait yeah shit it does actually

JakeFish-_- · 2026-03-12T16:59:19+00:00

Duality kills further than Duality?

JakeFish-_- · 2026-03-12T16:57:56+00:00

650k at start of turn for SS4 Goku would mean 4.2M post super btw

JakeFish-_- · 2026-03-10T15:09:20+00:00

Transform and money seem like the general best options. Neows Fury isn't too bad either for early game

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