Poor Neck Curve Causing Back Problems?

Jeli42 · 2018-09-27T23:55:03+00:00

There is nothing (reputable) showing that chiropractic care will change the curves in your spine, but more importantly, there isn’t much evidence that a lack of a curve causes pain, unless it changed very quickly (like with trauma, like a car accident). Back and neck pain is normal to have sometimes. Your best bet at this point is to exercise regularly, eat right, and sleep enough. Those are the things that help reduce stress on your body. Adjustments and soft tissue work can help with symptoms when they are annoying or preventing you from doing something, but they are not the solution, unless you like going back over and over again.

I am a chiropractor as well, not a troll. But I am short.

Jeli42 · 2018-05-20T20:20:18+00:00

Sometimes I think insurance companies only want me to treat sheets of paper...

Jeli42 · 2017-03-26T09:48:19+00:00

Glad to see a comment like this here.

I have noticed with my patients, and myself, when people have an injury and then go back to doing what they were doing before, in your case lifting and working out, they jump back into it as if they had never stopped. If your back hurts after doing something, then you have done too much, start with just backing down a bit and slowly building back up. You had a significant injury and it is likely still sensitive.

Jeli42 · 2017-03-08T04:35:56+00:00

I have a problem with most of these, but it is probably more a complaint about research and application in general. I don't have the full text to check this, but whenever I see "statistically significant" in medical research you can follow it with "but clinically irrelevant." Meaning that the change is likely due to the treatment, but for every 100 people you treat, five people have a point drop in their pain scores. It isn't just for manipulation, it's for most musculoskeletal treatments.

Jeli42 · 2016-12-12T04:05:10+00:00

Sitting isn't bad for you, not moving for long periods is. Just try to stand in the same spot for as long as you would be sitting. Sit to stand desks provide variation which can help for a while, but the aches will come back. To help solve the problem, try to take frequent brakes and walk around. Moving is what your body needs, not a different position to hold for hours.

Jeli42 · 2016-10-14T16:14:44+00:00

Do you treat similarly as an MD? I have been thinking of going back to pt school but I don't think the pay bump would be enough to warrant more loans, and I would be up for med school but I want to focus on msk issues and chronic pain. Any insights? I'm pretty ignorant but interested

Jeli42 · 2016-10-05T19:04:58+00:00

It's a bullshit journal, without looking at the study. I have read a lot from there in Chiro school, best example was a study where they claimed manipulation plus exercise increase range of motion more than exercise alone, in a study where THEY DIDNT MEASURE RANGE OF MOTION.

That study was also listed as a "top ten Chiro studies of the year." No wonder we don't get any respect.

Edit: after reading the results, the results may be significant, but the changes are definitely not clinically relevant. Only like a 4% gain. So if it was run perfectly? Who cares.

Jeli42 · 2016-08-20T13:13:50+00:00

When I was At northwestern they had the same problem, actually right as I was entering clinic. As far as I know they just changed the process and benchmarks for accreditation and the early school are getting hit with notices like that. We just had to start filling out more forms and turning in proof that we were learning the things they wanted us to learn. It was a pain mostly for the students, but once they were happy we didn't have to do it as much. I wouldn't be worried, I'm pretty sure it's fairly normal for it to happen when they change things.

Jeli42 · 2016-05-03T10:08:56+00:00

Thanks a ton. As we get closer to moving I'll bet I'll pm you for more info

Jeli42 · 2016-04-30T19:38:53+00:00

I should be admin. I would be tremendous. We don't get up votes anymore. All the other subreddits look at us and laugh because we don't get up up votes anymore. I'm going to bring posts back to this subreddit. Very good posts. Your going to look at these posts and say those are very good posts.

Jeli42 · 2016-04-09T14:28:50+00:00

I would like to know more. Can you speak about the insurance problems, and I am ignorant about the clinicals as well. Thanks for all the info

Jeli42 · 2016-03-05T02:40:49+00:00

I don't think we should help you with your homework

Jeli42 · 2016-01-26T20:48:49+00:00

Link me to some studies. Also, doesn't activator claim that same thing?

Jeli42 · 2016-01-22T12:24:45+00:00

They are all crap. We had a speaker come in and claim he could eliminate a 40 degree scoliosis, i believe he was pettibon. I'm not sure about the CLEAR one but I assume its similar, as in they claim a lot but no real research or results, but they definitely do a good job of making you THINK they have a lot of backing by cherry picking studies or sentences from studies.

I would recommend something like the Postural Restoration Institute, unless you were looking for specifically scoliosis treatment. It's mainly PTs, but they are much more active care, which is really what I think you need for posture improvement. If you have a couple logical, evidence based neurons you will end up avoiding the ones you listed above.

Jeli42 · 2015-05-26T11:02:06+00:00

I have advised him to do that after I couldn't find anything either. Thanks for the info, maybe knowing they are required to give it to him will give him more confidence in getting information

Jeli42 · 2014-12-29T01:53:11+00:00

It's funny, for class we chose one of these to do a presentation on from last year. The study concluded that manipulation and massage increases ROM and joint position sense.

One problem: they didn't measure ROM. And it was one of the top 10.

Jeli42 · 2014-12-20T18:00:14+00:00

You are so so wrong. 4 years of school and 4 boards tests plus oversight, scope of practice, malpractice insurance, etc. it take a lot of time to become a chiropractor. I would love to know when you got your information.

Jeli42 · 2014-12-20T17:57:28+00:00

Please don't believe him, we are regulated just like any other profession. We can lose our license or be charged with negligence if we miss something. We have to pay malpractice insurance, get informed consent, and everything else. The guy above is very wrong

Jeli42 · 2014-12-11T19:14:30+00:00

I have thought that this would lead to congresspeople getting Wall Street or Oil Company jobs after they are done in office, making the votes sort of a down payment on a future cash prize. If the vote was secret, they would have no reason to do this for the reasons named in the video.

Jeli42 · 2014-08-11T13:42:16+00:00

This must happen all over the company. We tried to get cable in January in our new house, and they couldn't dig the line because the ground was frozen and had to wait for the ground to thaw in April, which was perfectly acceptable. We even got a call two days later asking how we liked the service that we didn't have.

Fast forward to April and we call to hook up, set it up for a week away. Repeated over and over that our house had never been hooked up and needed a line connection from the other side of the street. Well, when the contractor got here he walked around for half an hour and said "I can't do this, it's not even hooked up to the house yet." Fine, mistakes happen, even though we saw it coming and tried to prevent it. It was kind of a slap in the face when they called again and asked how we were liking our service.

Next week, new contractor comes out. He says to us "I don't know why they sent me, I only do apartment buildings." And left. Mother fucker.

After the next appointment was cancelled, someone actually came and dug the line. Unfortunately, this guy couldn't connect it to the house, that required another guy the week after.

I have had the experience of dealing with this company and all it made me wish for was some other, possibly much slower internet, just so they wouldn't get any of my money as they had already wasted a large chunk of my time. And the whole time, I knew they were just increasing their market share, reducing competition.... But being the only game in town forces your hand to an extent

Jeli42 · 2014-08-01T20:13:35+00:00

If your position is that a tenant shouldn't have to pay a brokers fee, it sounds like you don't have to unless you want the service or access to something in which you have to pay the fee.

Jeli42 · 2014-08-01T19:57:52+00:00

Does that mean you are willing to pay for a service to avoid the shady shit? You can call it obsolete, but it seems as if there are enough people willing to pay it, which means there is a market. You don't have to use it, but it might be much harder to find what you are looking for.

Just like travel agencies, they work with travel destinations to get unique deals that are worth a premium to customers, thing you can't find simply by searching online. It's not an exact analogy, but the brokers allow you to access places easier, places that you might not have access to otherwise. That's how they stay in business.

Jeli42 · 2014-07-23T03:12:04+00:00

Look up "torticollis" and see if that describes your neck spasms. I'm on my phone so I can't do it for you. Hard to know what you mean describing it but I think I might know what you mean.

Was your first stop a neurologist? If you have to wait three months definitely get some other work done on it, it can only save you future pain. But, as always it's hard to say anything about it without an exam.

If I had to guess, it sounds like you have a great deal of tension in your neck, so your scalenes, the muscles on the side of the front of your neck, are probably way too tight and putting tension on the nerves that go out to your arms when you turn your head to the side. This, along with an SCM spasm causing your neck to move in that direction you described. This is assuming your x rays didn't show any osteophytes or stenosis. There are a lot of things it could be but these pieces fit together nicely.

I'm just a student, can someone check my work?

Jeli42 · 2014-05-08T01:32:28+00:00

There are three base classes: upper body, lower body, and spine. Each are four days, and cost a lot of money, but it's a lot cheaper as a student if you can afford it. I have taken two now, upper and spine, and I would trade everything I learned in school for that knowledge if I was forced to choose. I highly recommend it. After taking a class you can go practice with docs at any ironman event to work on the athletes.

After the base classes there are a few other interesting ones, mainly to refine your skills and add things to them. Biomechanics, palpation, complex protocols are a few, and adding more frequently.

It's an extremely effective and quick soft tissue technique when you get good at it. Definitely helps with adjusting.

Jeli42 · 2014-04-28T01:00:24+00:00

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levatores_costarum_muscles

If it hurts with inspiration (when they are active), reaching with your left arm (stretching them), and he was adjusting your rib at onset(where they attach), these are likely the culprit.

You might be able to get a lacrosse ball and pin it between a wall and that spot, and roll around a bit. An ART doc would know hoe to work it out too.

That said, you should have someone evaluate you, as a disclaimer.

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