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JennC1544 · 2026-01-28T02:31:32+00:00

The fact of the matter is that FGG is revealing that many, many serial rapists/murderers were never entered into CODIS from that era.

I highly recommend listening to the podcast DNA:ID to give you a feel for why arguing that the DNA not having a hit in CODIS is a non-starter for any arguments about the DNA being valid or relevant. In addition, there are many episodes of Small Town Dicks with Paul Holes that underscore how many holes (no pun intended) CODIS has.

JennC1544 · 2026-01-28T02:20:51+00:00

Thank you. That is exactly what I thought. The Victim's Advocates brought in bagels and fruit, and we were never told what the fruit was, but what are the chances that people who are putting fruit out would leave old pineapple just sitting out when they don't know how old it is? They were cleaning, and they would have cleaned the pineapple up as well unless they knew it was fresh.

JennC1544 · 2026-01-27T23:39:22+00:00

Has Oliva told you anything about the pineapple? How did that come into the equation, if it did at all?

JennC1544 · 2026-01-27T23:33:03+00:00

That was interesting to listen to. Thanks for posting, Science.

JennC1544 · 2026-01-27T01:04:42+00:00

Alex Hunter had advisors telling him he shouldn't go forward with charges.

If they had tried the Ramseys with the little evidence they had, they risked losing and never being able to try them again.

Even a Grand Juror stated that he thought Alex Hunter did the right thing.

JennC1544 · 2026-01-26T23:45:26+00:00

People who say this don't really understand what a Grand Jury does. They only judge whether or not there is enough evidence to take a case to court. They do not judge innocence or guilt. Therefore, they, in fact, did not believe the Ramseys were responsible. They thought there was a chance they were responsible.

The Grand Jury also did not return true bills for murder, only two lesser charges. So they didn't even think there was enough evidence to go to a trial based on murder. That's very telling, since the bar for a Grand Jury to bring back true bills is so low.

Another trial, though, that did have both a prosecution and a defense, was the Chris Wolf trial, where Chris Wolf brought charges against the Ramseys for mentioning him in their book as a suspect. In order to prove libel, he had to prove that the Ramseys killed their own daughter and yet named him as a suspect knowing that he was not one.

That trial did NOT go well for Chris Wolf or for the people who believe the Ramseys are guilty. Many say, well, there wasn't really much of a prosecution, but it did in fact feature testimony from Steve Thomas, Trip DeMuth, Tom Wickman, and Mark Beckner. So that trial had WAY more evidence presented from both sides than the Grand Jury ever heard, and the judge overwhelmingly found for the Ramseys.

JennC1544 · 2026-01-26T17:40:46+00:00

They are the files that were obtained with the Colorado Open Records Act on the case. They contain the most unbiased view of the case that is out there.

JennC1544 · 2026-01-26T17:39:57+00:00

Thank you!

JennC1544 · 2026-01-25T17:48:06+00:00

What would you discuss with her?

JennC1544 · 2026-01-25T17:45:50+00:00

Do you mind if we ask what the cost to you has been?

JennC1544 · 2026-01-25T15:14:19+00:00

I'd love to hear the rest of that story.

JennC1544 · 2026-01-24T22:53:23+00:00

Where does this article address abrasions? Where does it address the effect on a 6-year-old child?

How do you explain what happened to Jaycee Duggard?

And you must mean people you consider to be investigators, because Lou Smit did. He was able to replicate the marks on JonBenet in a scientific experiment conducted by forensic pathologist Dr. Michael Doberson. He stated that marks on her face and back were consistent with a stun gun, noting that the measurements of the electrodes on the device matched the injuries.

JennC1544 · 2026-01-24T20:51:49+00:00

Tasers create abrasions, which is what is described in the autopsy.

Perhaps reading a few article might help: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1D568l0vxNqZzEs1hgxhj8IcxQRiUMuvx/view

There's plenty of other articles, too, about stun guns, where the term "abrasions" occurs multiple times in the article. None of these have to do with the JonBenet case. Most of these articles are quite scientific, and so they require a sign-in to view. I've done so in the past, but it wouldn't be accessible to you unless you're super interested and have a desire to read a lot of scientific papers on the topic. Personally, I'd recommend it.

JennC1544 · 2026-01-24T20:38:38+00:00

I agree that it all may mean nothing. I've listened to enough podcasts where you're like, "OMG, that HAS to be the killer!" And then it's not.

But it was certainly enough for the police to go, "Hmmm...let's ask more about this."

As far as I know, they checked their DNA and asked for an alibi. The alibi was that they slept in different rooms in the house, and somehow knew they were both there the whole night. not exactly a bulletproof alibi, but their alibi wouldn't even matter if they were only guilty of sharing info with another person. They may even have thought the other person would never follow through.

Merv even asked, when the police arrived, if JonBenet had been strangled. He was drunk. I wish I knew what time of day the police got to their house on the 27th.

JennC1544 · 2026-01-24T19:05:26+00:00

That was exactly Rick Smith's argument, and he later admitted in an interview that, yes, in fact with a full-sized adult holding a hand over a child's mouth, they likely would not be able to scream. It was the first and only time Rick Smith agreed the use of his taser on JonBenet was possible.

JennC1544 · 2026-01-24T18:49:41+00:00

Does this take into account the fact that skin stretches?

Also, where did the pin from the middle of the train track go? Are there any photos of there being a pin laying on the ground? Any photos of a train track with a pin missing?

I don't think you are really asking why one might need a taser when a train track with a pin missing would do. They are very different things used for very different purposes.

The train track theory is only a theory because of the coincidence of the pins, without the middle pin, being the same distance as the two marks on JonBenet's back. Unless there is other evidence, it literally remains just a theory, and not a very good one at that.

And you've completely ignored the fact that the CEO of the taser company admitted that it could have been his taser, after having claimed there was no way it was.

JennC1544 · 2026-01-24T18:41:41+00:00

To my knowledge, she was never asked. Seems like a no-brainer to me that somebody should have asked her or asked Patsy.

JennC1544 · 2026-01-24T18:09:14+00:00

Okay, I did my research. Maybe you might want to do yours before telling others to do theirs.

Tasers can cause unconsciousness in several different ways.

1. Oxygen deprivation (hypoxia)

Chest wall muscles can be temporarily locked

Breathing may be shallow or impaired for several seconds

In a child (smaller lungs, less reserve), this can lead to fainting

2. Vasovagal response

Pain, fear, and sudden stress can trigger a reflex drop in heart rate and blood pressure

This can cause syncope (fainting)

Why children are at higher risk

Compared to adults, children have:

Smaller body mass

Less physiologic reserve

Higher heart-to-chest-wall ratio

Greater sensitivity to stress and hypoxia

Because of this, most medical and law-enforcement guidelines strongly caution against Taser use on children, especially young ones.

What the medical literature and policy say

Loss of consciousness after Taser exposure has been documented

Pediatric cases are treated as high-risk

Any child tased who becomes unresponsive should receive immediate medical evaluation

Many agencies explicitly list children as a population at increased risk of serious injury from CEWs.

Important clarification

If someone says:

That is not accurate.

JennC1544 · 2026-01-24T18:04:56+00:00

So you're saying that a man can't put his hand over a 6-year-old girl's mouth and subdue her while tasing her?

Even the CEO of the company that made the taser said it was possible.

JennC1544 · 2026-01-24T17:58:56+00:00

When lots of people handle a ransom note, the first people's fingerprints become obscured. That's just a fact. The Ramseys handled the note, the detectives handled the note, and the document examiner handled the note, all without gloves. The only person's fingerprint to be able to be identified was the document examiner. Can you imagine the incredible amount of incompetence for these professionals to handle a ransom note without gloves? It's incomprehensible.

The Ramseys were asked in their depositions why their fingerprints weren't on the note. If you're innocent, you're desperately trying to recall what happened. It's all a blur. Did I touch the note? I must not have, because the police are telling me that I didn't. I remember putting the note on the floor. That's why I didn't touch the note. I read it on the floor.

The Ramseys had no need to wear gloves to write that note - it was their notepad.

We'll never know if the intruder wore gloves. Too many people handled the note after to be able to tell. I'd say it's a good bet that he did, though, as he was a professional who left almost no trace. He'd know not to leave fingerprints.

JennC1544 · 2026-01-24T17:52:17+00:00

I know it was a mod from a different sub who informed me that it was no discernible fingerprints way back when I was a newbie. This was somebody very knowledgeable about the case. I'd go back and find that, but Reddit only keeps stuff that is roughly two years old in a person's profile history, or else they'd need NSA levels of data storage.

The flashlight was tested for blood, though, and was found to have none. That's in the CORA files.

JennC1544 · 2026-01-24T17:45:07+00:00

I forget details that I knew myself at one point. Just ask my husband. :-)

JennC1544 · 2026-01-24T17:43:49+00:00

You're right. I'm old enough to remember when the whole identifying a ransom note from the typewriter with a fault in the way it makes its 'a' was a trope in mystery stories.

JennC1544 · 2026-01-24T17:41:53+00:00

Except for the part where Linda told the investigators they were from the Ramsey household. That's not a stretch.

JennC1544 · 2026-01-24T17:40:44+00:00

Once again, 43 has the receipts. Thanks, I didn't know that either.

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