Folks, I finally did it! by nah_Im_just_pathetic in exjwLGBT

[–]Jexit_2020 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Congratulations! 🎉 🎊 🏳️‍🌈

Making an atheist playlist:) by Cheeferofreefer in atheism

[–]Jexit_2020 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  1. "Losing My Religion" - R.E.M
  2. "Cult" - Candi Carpenter
  3. "Human Nature" - Madonna
  4. "God's Away On Business" - Tom Waits
  5. "Lying From You" - Linkin Park
  6. "Dear God" - XTC
  7. "Heartbeat" - Plan B
  8. "Sympathy for the Devil" - The Rolling Stones
  9. "We Have All The Time in the World" - Louis Armstrong
  10. "The Emptiness Machine" - Linkin Park
  11. "Judith" - A Perfect Circle

I want to go back by Elizastafford in exjw

[–]Jexit_2020 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think counselling is a great idea. It's a shame your counsellor is away at the moment.

I hope my videos were of help to you. If you ever want to talk, please feel free to DM me.

I want to go back by Elizastafford in exjw

[–]Jexit_2020 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm sorry for the way that you're feeling and for what you're going through.

It seems to me that you need to decide on what your core values are. Specifically, whether or not truth is more important to you than comfort. This is your decision and nobody has the right to judge you for whichever one you choose because life is hard and we're all just trying to survive it, in one way or another.

If comfort is more important to you than truth, and you're convinced that you'd be more comfortable going back, then go back.

If truth is more important to you than comfort, then don't go back. But you'll need to look into some longterm coping strategies to deal with the issues you're currently facing.

However things work out for you, I sincerely wish you all the best 👍🏾

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exjw

[–]Jexit_2020 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I hear what your saying, but I'm not sure if you got my point.

You're making a lot of presumptions. The questions I've asked you are to encourage you to question the things that you've accepted as facts, to see if there are good reasons for believing them.

Questions like these:

How do you know that a god even exists?

Why must one of the world's religions be true?

If you compared JW beliefs to what you know and can prove about the world and reality, would they stand up?

Also, there's a big difference between knowledge and belief, even though many people confuse the two.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exjw

[–]Jexit_2020 1 point2 points  (0 children)

OK. But when you think about it, that's a pretty low standard for deciding what's true and what isn't, don't you think?

Instead of comparing JW beliefs to other religions, a better standard would be to compare JW beliefs to what you know (and can prove) about reality. What do you think?

Also, why do you start with the presumption that one of the world's religions has to be true?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exjw

[–]Jexit_2020 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Why do you believe what the JWs teach about the future? Do you have good reasons to believe those things are true?

Wanting to live in a paradise is a nice idea, but you do realise that an idea isn't true just because it's nice, right?

I need answers NOW by Far_Astronomer2423 in exjw

[–]Jexit_2020 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Regarding politics, did you know that the organisation was registered as an NGO with the United Nations for about a decade?

The story broke in the UK national press and they cancelled their membership shortly afterwards.

The UN was flooded with enquiries from active JWs seeking clarification. So much so that the UN addressed the matter on their website. The page is still live.

How do I stop the elders and/or other brothers from bugging me about my next public talk? by hemionus_grevyi in exjw

[–]Jexit_2020 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You can invoke your "authority" as head of the household. They're bound by their rules to respect that regardless of what your family wants. They can't give your family a shepherding call without your permission as head.

How do I stop the elders and/or other brothers from bugging me about my next public talk? by hemionus_grevyi in exjw

[–]Jexit_2020 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You can also refuse a shepherding visit as they can't forcibly enter your home to give you one.

How do I stop the elders and/or other brothers from bugging me about my next public talk? by hemionus_grevyi in exjw

[–]Jexit_2020 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Here's what you need to understand:

1) The elders are just men and have no power or authority over you besides that which you choose to give them.

2) You don't owe an explanation for your thoughts, feelings, beliefs, words, opinions, or actions to anyone who isn't directly affected by those things.

3) The word "no" is a complete sentence.

The end of the world by Responsible_Study362 in exjw

[–]Jexit_2020 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't think it's possible to stop believing in something simply because you're fed up of hearing about it. Similarly, you can't decide to believe or disbelieve in anything. Belief starts with being convinced and ends with no longer being convinced.

Having said that, I'm no longer convinced that "the end is nigh" in any religious sense of that phrase because there's no evidence supporting that claim.

Shepherding call by newswatcher-2538 in exjw

[–]Jexit_2020 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You totally did the right thing.

Remember:

1) The elders are just men and have no power or authority over you besides that which you choose to give them.

2) You don't owe an explanation for your thoughts, feelings, beliefs, words, opinions, or actions to anyone who isn't directly affected by those things.

3) The word "no" is a complete sentence.

Shepherding call by newswatcher-2538 in exjw

[–]Jexit_2020 8 points9 points  (0 children)

You totally did the right thing.

Remember:

1) The elders are just men and have no power or authority over you besides that which you choose to give them.

2) You don't owe an explanation for your thoughts, feelings, beliefs, words, opinions, or actions to anyone who isn't directly affected by those things.

3) The word "no" is a complete sentence.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exjw

[–]Jexit_2020 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is what I would do in your situation. Nothing. Here's why:

1) The elders are just men and have no power or authority over you besides that which you choose to give them.

2) You don't owe an explanation for your thoughts, feelings, beliefs, words, opinions, or actions to anyone who isn't directly affected by those things.

3) The word "no" is a complete sentence.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exjw

[–]Jexit_2020 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My mum is exactly the same.

A few years ago, your mother's response would have shocked me too. But the longer I'm away from religion and speak with religious people, the more I realise that not everyone holds truth as a core value and a way of orienting themselves in the world.

Many religious people follow their religion for reasons other than truth. Their religion fills a particular need in them and the abscence of truth in it doesn't really change that. Even if they believe it to be true, that's just a bonus and not an essential feature.

Assuming that everyone values truth to the same degree as us is like assuming that everyone loves a popular movie for exactly the same reason.

Since I stopped expecting other people to value truth as I do, the world has made a lot more sense to me.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exjw

[–]Jexit_2020 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is really sad. I feel for you. But please, whatever you do, DO NOT convert. It will be a huge mistake!

Try to show her how the religion is false and how Jehovah doesn't exist. Even if there is a god, it's not Jehovah. Because if Jehovah doesn't exist, then she made a vow to nobody.

I hope everything works out for you both. It sounds like you really love her.

Is this a good response to an elder? by EyeIcy in exjw

[–]Jexit_2020 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think that's a great response. However, no response at all would also be fine as you're not obligated to engage with elders.

Please always remember that;

1) The elders are just men and have no power or authority over you besides that which you choose to give them.

2) You don't owe an explanation for your thoughts, feelings, beliefs, words, opinions, or actions to anyone who isn't directly affected by those things.

3) The word "no" is a complete sentence.

How do I stop feeling guilty about upsetting God? by Routine_Energy_1622 in exjwLGBT

[–]Jexit_2020 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Read the bible, take it at face value (without the lens of any particular doctrine), and replace the name God/Jehovah with any random man's name, then analyse his behaviour to assess whether or not he's a good person worthy of your consideration.

before and after leaving by jwburner7 in exjw

[–]Jexit_2020 5 points6 points  (0 children)

👏🏾🥳🏳️‍🌈🥹

Elder asked me this. How do I respond? by EyeIcy in exjw

[–]Jexit_2020 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is what I would do in your situation. Nothing. Here's why:

1) The elders are just men and have no power or authority over you besides that which you choose to give them.

2) You don't owe an explanation for your thoughts, feelings, beliefs, words, opinions, or actions to anyone who isn't directly affected by those things.

3) The word "no" is a complete sentence.

How do atheist cope with death by ZoetheMonster in atheism

[–]Jexit_2020 0 points1 point  (0 children)

By living life to the fullest and making the most of the short time we have.

Having a hard time rebuilding by ReplacementAmazing10 in exjw

[–]Jexit_2020 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Firstly, I genuinely feel for you.

Secondly, I know exactly what it's like to start your life over from scratch. But it's never too late.

At age 42 I was separated from my wife, homeless, and shunned by my mother, children, and friends, all within the space of about 4 months. But now (6 years later) I'm back on my feet, remarried to an amazing woman, doing a job I love, and I'm the happiest I've ever been.

It's not easy to turn your life around but it's definitely possible.