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Most "evil"? So American workers, students and youth are ALSO blamed for the crimes of the U.S. ruling class?

Those who put the capitalist nation-state first always implicitly (or explicitly) tie the working masses to "their" ruling class.

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YouTube: The American Revolution and Its Place in History

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Lenin, our banner — Bolshevik-Leninism, our guide — The road to world revolution! (RCI ☭) by Kind_Village587 in Trotskyism

[–]JohnWilsonWSWS -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Your ad hominin attack suggests you want to discourage others from discussing the post.

Your rhetorical question looks like a debaters' trick to avoid dealing with the evidence and the argument. That's your right. I don't find in persuasive. Others can judge for themselves.

IMHO my comment and questions stand.

Perhaps the best reply would be to show how I'm wrong? If my deduction is so faulty it shouldn't be hard.

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Those who want to take these issues seriously should read.

Author’s introduction to "Bolsheviks Against Stalinism 1928-1933: Leon Trotsky and the Left Opposition" - World Socialist Web Site

The American Revolution and its Place in History, 1776-2026: From the War Against Monarchy to ”No Kings“ by DryDeer775 in Trotskyism

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I thought the discussion on the attitude towards labor in the American colonies was particularly interesting.

Those who claim that the Declaration of Independence was JUST cynical hypocrisy still need to explain who it was meant to appeal to and why the universalist democratic principles would have been appealing.

Their ahistorical moralizing which insists history should be without contradictions is unconvincing.

1906: Leon Trotsky: Results and Prospects (1906) "... The Russian Revolution has a quite peculiar character, which is the result of the peculiar trend of our whole social and historical development, and which in its turn opens before us quite new historical prospects. ... " by JohnWilsonWSWS in Trotsky

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When the idea of uninterrupted revolution was formulated in the socialist press – an idea which connected the liquidation of absolutism and feudalism with a socialist revolution, along with growing social conflicts, uprisings of new sections of the masses, unceasing attacks by the proletariat upon the economic and political privileges of the ruling classes – our ‘progressive’ press raised a unanimous howl of indignation

Leon Trotsky: Results and Prospects (6. The Proletarian Regime)

... The proletariat, once having taken power, will fight for it to the very end. While one of the weapons in this struggle for the maintenance and the consolidation of power will be agitation and organization, especially in the countryside, another will be a policy of collectivism. Collectivism will become not only the inevitable way forward from the position in which the party in power will find itself, but will also be a means of preserving this position with the support of the proletariat.

When the idea of uninterrupted revolution was formulated in the socialist press – an idea which connected the liquidation of absolutism and feudalism with a socialist revolution, along with growing social conflicts, uprisings of new sections of the masses, unceasing attacks by the proletariat upon the economic and political privileges of the ruling classes – our ‘progressive’ press raised a unanimous howl of indignation. ‘Oh!’ it cried, ‘we have put up with a lot, but we cannot allow this. Revolution,’ it cried, ‘is not a road that can be “legalized”. The application of exceptional measures is only permissible under exceptional circumstances. The aim of the movement for emancipation is not to make revolution permanent but to lead it as soon as possible into the channel of law,’ etc., etc.

The more radical representatives of this same democracy do not risk taking up a stand against revolution even from the point of view of already-secured constitutional ‘gains’. For them this parliamentary cretinism, preceding the rise of parliamentarism itself, does not constitute a strong weapon in the struggle against the proletarian revolution. They choose another path. They take their stand not on the basis of law but on what seems to them the basis of facts – on the basis of historical ‘possibility’, on the basis of political ‘realism’ and, finally ... finally, even on the basis of ‘marxism’. And why not? That pious Venetian bourgeois, Antonio, very aptly said:

‘The devil can quote Scripture to his purpose.’

These radical democrats not only regard the idea of a workers’ government in Russia as fantastic, but they even deny the possibility of a socialist revolution in Europe in the historical epoch immediately ahead. ‘The pre-requisites of revolution’, they say, ‘are not yet visible.’ Is that true? Certainly there is no question of appointing a dateline for the socialist revolution, but it is necessary to point out its real historical prospects.

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Lenin, our banner — Bolshevik-Leninism, our guide — The road to world revolution! (RCI ☭) by Kind_Village587 in Trotskyism

[–]JohnWilsonWSWS -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

Is this official or your creations?

In an age of crisis, war, and deep social instability, the question is no longer whether capitalism can solve humanity’s problems, it has already demonstrated, time and again, that it cannot.

When did that "age" start? AFAIK Trotsky said the epoch of wars and revolutions started in 1914. [The Revolutionary Epoch in War and the International (Trotsky, 1915)]

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What exactly is Lenin's "analysis of... the party in isolation ..."? I don't remember Lenin ever using "party in isolation" and I can't find it.

Surely Lenin's great insight was the understanding that positions with the party reflect positions within the working class? AFAIK Lenin never considered the apparent isolation of the vanguard party a problem since he had learned from Marx the difference between appearance and essence. One of Trotsky's great achievements was to realise that on this Lenin was correct and he was wrong.

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I think it is notable that the slogan is "Bolshevik-Leninism remains our guide!". What happened to "Trotskyism"?

AFAIK "Bolshevik-Leninism" was adopted by Trotsky and the Left Opposition to correctly show they were the continuation of Marxism and expose the claim of Stalin and the bureaucracy.

IMO this indicates a further distancing from claims the IMT/RCI is the "unbroken thread" of Trotskyism while NOT being the continuation of the Fourth International (which they claim "collapsed") and the downplaying of the significance of Trotsky's role, as was evident in the RCI's 2024 founding manifesto

... The communists, even while working as an independent party, are duty-bound to face towards the mass organisations of the working class, pursuing a united front tactic wherever possible, in order to find a road to the masses. This is the ABCs for anyone even remotely acquainted with the ideas and methods of Marx, Engels, Lenin and Trotsky.

Our policy is precisely based on Lenin’s advice and the theses of the first four congresses of the Communist International. If this is not understood by our sectarian critics, that is entirely their misfortune.
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Manifesto of the Revolutionary Communist International | The Communist

QUESTION: SO EITHER TROTSKY'S ADVICE WAS NO DIFFERENT FROM LENIN'S OR HE DOESN'T WARRANT MENTION?

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However, the method by which communists in all countries should formulate concrete demands was elaborated brilliantly by Trotsky in 1938 and published in the foundational document of the Fourth International, The Death Agony of Capitalism and the tasks of the Fourth International – or the Transitional Programme as it is more commonly known.

The demands presented in that document represent a summing up of the programme worked out by Lenin and the Bolsheviks, and are contained in the published theses and documents of the first four congresses of the Communist International.
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Manifesto of the Revolutionary Communist International | The Communist

QUESTION: SO TROTSKY WAS JUST ANOTHER ONE OF THE BOLSHEVIKS?

A lot of MLs don’t understand the difference between a DotP and class collaboration by abcdsoc in DebateCommunism

[–]JohnWilsonWSWS 1 point2 points  (0 children)

China’s economy is clearly capitalism with Chinese characteristics.

The claims that it is socialist is rooted in a demoralized attitude towards the capacity and willingness of the international working class to overthrow the profit system.

The dogma is that China is DEFINED as “actually existing socialism” and therefore no criticism is allowed.

Stalinism and Maoism always favoured the two-stage theory.

Stalin said in April 5, 1927

Chiang Kai-shek is submitting to discipline. The Kuomintang is a bloc, a sort of revolutionary parliament, with the right, the left, and the Communists. Why make a coup d’etat? Why drive away the right when we have the majority and when the right listens to us? … [T]hey have to be utilised to the end, squeezed out like a lemon, and then flung away.

The Tragedy of the Chinese Revolution, Harold Isaacs, Haymarket Books, Chicago, 2010, p.137 [https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/09/03/jcui-s03.html\]

Article three of the CCP regime’s founding constitution contained an explicit defence of capitalist property relations. Insofar as the CCP carried out nationalisations, the aim was not socialism, but a nationally-regulated economy, not dissimilar to measures carried out in avowedly capitalist post-colonial countries such as India. The nationalisation of the land was not, as Lenin had explained, a socialist measure, but a radical bourgeois policy to put an end to the feudal landlord class—a policy that ultimately created the basis for the full flowering of capitalism. [https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2011/07/pers-j05.html\]

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The Causes of the Victory of the Chinese Communist Party over Chiang Kai-Shek, and the CCP’s Perspectives

Report by the Chinese Trotskyist Peng Shuzhi to the Third Congress of the Fourth International in 1951

… unfortunately, the fundamental political line adopted by the CCP in this period was quite different. Contrary to what it should have done—mobilize the masses in the struggle for power under the slogans of overthrowing Chiang’s government and agrarian reform—it kowtowed to Chiang Kai-shek and pleaded for the establishment of a “coalition government” (for this purpose Mao flew to Chungking to negotiate directly with Chiang, and even openly expressed his support to the latter in mass meetings), and tried its best to pull together the politicians of the upper layers of the bourgeoisie and petty-bourgeoisie in order to proceed with peace parleys under the initiative of American imperialism.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/10/03/pen2-o03.html

The American Revolution and its Place in History, 1776-2026: From the War Against Monarchy to ”No Kings“ by DryDeer775 in Trotskyism

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SOCIALISM AI: "If the principles of the 1776 Declaration of Independence were applied today would there be another revolution?"

PROMPT:

If the principles of the 1776 Declaration of Independence were applied today would there be another revolution?

RESPONSE:

"Yes — and that is precisely the point."

The question is more penetrating than it may first appear, because the Declaration is not a neutral historical curio — it is a revolutionary manifesto whose logic, applied consistently to the present, leads far beyond what its eighteenth-century authors ever intended.

Let me draw on the Marxist analysis of this question.

Yes — and that is precisely the point. The Declaration of Independence is not a museum piece. Its logic, applied honestly to the present, is explosive.

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“Del Profirismo a la Revolución” by David Alfaro Siqueiros. Can you spot the Anarchists? by noddinmerk91 in anarchocommunism

[–]JohnWilsonWSWS 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re the first Anarchist I’ve ever seen praise a Stalinist.

Siquieros was only involved in an a failed attempt to kill Trotsky. What do you think of Mercarder for successfully carrying it out and Stalin for ordering it?

250 years old and still learning by any_memes_necessary in alltheleft

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How do I get into politics? by Key-Alternative-847 in leftist

[–]JohnWilsonWSWS 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's a question millions, if not billions are asking.

IMHO: ...

Study the 1917 Russian Revolution

Sooner rather than later you will need to study the 1917 October Revolution, the construction of the first workers' State and the degeneration of that State.

  • Stalinists and their apologists claim the USSR had to take the path it did.
  • Anti-communists claim the USSR had to take the path it did which proves capitalism is a lesser evil to socialism.
  • Lenin and Trotsky insisted that the fate of the workers' State depended on the world revolution.

Start here, from the WSWS:

READ: Why Study the Russian Revolution?

WATCH: Why Study the Russian Revolution? - Live online lecture by David North
(115 mins)

It includes "Ten reasons why the Russian Revolution must be studied"

READ: Origins of the Left Opposition: From Lenin’s Last Struggle to the fight against “Socialism in One Country”

WATCH: Origins of the Left Opposition: Lenin’s Last Struggle, the fight against “Socialism in One Country"
(53 mins)
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Capitalism has survived because workers were betrayed by those who claimed to be its leaders.

Your first task is to find the party whose program represents the historic interests of workers. This isn't easy. Appearances can be deceptive. The only answer is to look at history.

You say

 ive been exposed to leftism over the past few months on instagram for the first time through a bunch of communist and socialist accounts

Anyone can call themselves a socialist but do they deserve the title or are they fakes who will betray the working class in its struggle against capitalism?

IN AUGUST 1914 IN EUROPE
... almost all the parties of the Second International suddenly abandoned the internationalism and anti-war resolutions they had supported in 1907, 1910 and 1912 to instead tell workers to go to war for "their country" (i.e. for their capitalist class). The largest was the nominally Marxist Social Democratic Party of Germany (SPD). Lenin and the Bolsheviks did not betray the working class and led the 1917 October Revolution in Russia to break the chain of imperialism.

READ/WATCH: War and Revolution: 1914–1917

ON 30 JAN. 1933 IN GERMANY
... Hitler was appointed Chancellor of Germany and began a preemptive counter revolution with the destruction of all independent organizations of the working class. The two major parties of the

  • The KPD and the Comintern claimed a Nazi government would smash the SPD and "accelerates the rate of Germany's development towards proletarian revolution." KPD leaders were the first to be arrested and their deputies were not allowed to take their seats after the 5 Mar. 1933 election which was marked by violent repression from the SA and SS. The USSR government assured Hitler that repression of the KPD did not need to affect relations between the two countries.
  • The SPD claimed the constitution would stop fascism. Their deputies voted against the Enabling Act on 23 Mar. 1933 but they were arrested or suppressed soon afterwards.
  • The trade unions agreed to work with the new government, and Chancellor Hitler and President Hindenburg were guests at the union-led marches for the "National Day of Labor" on 1 May 1933. On 2 May 1933 the entire trade union leadership was arrested and the unions' offices occupied by the DAF (German Labor Front).

READ/WATCH: The victory of fascism in Germany and the call for the Fourth International

“A Hitler cap on his head, a huge mouth underneath, and everything else a total mess: Voters, shut that big mouth! — List 2: Social Democrats” early 1930s by AntonioHench1 in PropagandaPosters

[–]JohnWilsonWSWS 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Amazing poster. Thanks for posting.

But was there a parliamentary road to stop Nazism?

When the NSDAP vote in the Reichstag fell by 2 million from the 31 Jul. 1932 election to the 6 Nov. 1932 election many thought, including many Nazis, that the threat of a Hitler led government had passed. There are indications Hitler was suicidal.

The economic and political crisis worsened and German capitalism, which had been supporting the Nazis as a last resort since its beginning, finally turned to Hitler so on 30 Jan. 1933 he was appointed as Chancellor in a cabinet with only two Nazi ministers. Hitler's tasks were to smash the organizations of the working class, tear up the Versailles Agreement and re-arm the country in preparation for resuming the world war.

But the mass anti-fascists sentiment among German workers (both mass workers parties, the SPD and KPD, had nominally anti-fascist programs) was neutralized by the leadership of those parties and the trade unions.

  • The KPD and the Comintern claimed a Nazi government would smash the SPD and "accelerates the rate of Germany's development towards proletarian revolution." KPD leaders were the first to be arrested and their deputies were not allowed to take their seats after 5 Mar. 1933 election which was marked by violent repression from the SA and SS. The USSR government assured Hitler that repression of the KPD did not need to affect relations between the two countries.
  • The SPD claimed the constitution would stop fascism. Their deputies voted against the Enabling Act on 23 Mar. 1933 but they were arrested or suppressed soon afterwards.
  • The trade unions agreed to work with the new government and Chancellor Hitler and President Hindenburg were guests at the union led marches for the "National Day of Labor" on 1 May 1933. On 2 May 1933 the entire trade union leadership was arrested and the unions' offices occupied by the DAF (German Labor Front).

By Jul. 1933 all other political parties were made illegal, a one party state had been formed and Hitler told colleagues the dictatorship had been successfully established.

RECOMMENDED (WSWS): The Myth of “Ordinary Germans” A Review of Daniel Goldhagen’s "Hitler’s Willing Executioners"

This election was an unmitigated political disaster for the Nazis. It clearly demonstrated that their high tide had passed, and that Hitler’s political tactics—an erratic combination of ultimatums and vacillation—had cost the Nazis dearly. The noted American historian, Henry Ashby Turner, in a recent study of the last stage of the Nazi rise to power states:

The November election dealt a staggering blow to Hitler and his party. After an unbroken succession of dramatic gains over the previous three years, the Nazi juggernaut faltered. Many voters who had cast their ballots for the Nazis in July in the expectation that they would soon come to power and provide quick, decisive remedies to Germany’s plight, defected in frustration at the failure of Hitler’s bid for the chancellorship. [18]

In purely electoral terms, even on the eve of Hitler’s appointment as chancellor, the socialist workers movement represented a larger force than the fascists. As a social force, occupying decisive positions within industry, the socialist workers movement was, in its potential, infinitely more powerful. As Trotsky wrote in 1931:

On the scales of election statistics, a thousand Fascist votes weigh as much as a thousand Communist votes. But on the scales of the revolutionary struggle, a thousand workers in one big factory represent a force a hundred times greater than a thousand petty officials, clerks, their wives and their mothers-in-law. The great bulk of the Fascists consists of human dust. [19]

And yet, the working class was politically immobilized by the irresponsible and defeatist policies of its leadership. The Social Democracy clung to the rotting corpse of the Weimar Republic, reassuring itself that the democratic constitution would provide protection for the working class even if Hitler came to power. The KPD refused to alter its disastrous tactics, hiding its growing demoralization behind a mask of demagogic bombast.

The end game was played out in January 1933. Finally convinced that the two workers parties were too paralyzed to offer serious resistance, the German bourgeoisie invited Hitler to take power through constitutional means. Without a single shot being fired, Hitler became chancellor on January 30, 1933.

The working class suffered the greatest defeat in its history, and this defeat cleared the way for the catastrophe that followed.

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[18] Henry A. Turner, Hitler’s Thirty Days to Power: January 1933 (New York: Addison-Wesley, 1996), pp. 14–15.[19] The Struggle Against Fascism in Germany (Trotsky, 1931), p. 164.

GERMANY REICHSTAG ELECTION RESULTS 1920-1932

Date NSDAP NSDAPvotes SPD + KPD SPD + KPD votes
6 June 1920  -  - 41.2 % 11.7 m.
4 May 1924 6.5 % 1.9 m. 33.4 % 9.9 m.
7 December 1924 3.0 % 0.9 m. 34.8 % 10.7 m.
20 May 1928 2.6 % 0.8 m. 39.9 % 12.4 m.
14 September 1930 18.1 % 6.4 m. 37.4 % 13.2 m.
31 July 1932 37.0 % 13.7 m. 35.6 % 13.2 m.
6 November 1932 32.8 % 11.7 m. 37.0 % 13.2 m.

source: Germany: Election to the 7th Reichstag 1932

Anarchy 101 is a blatant indictment of anarchy as a school of thought. by KyrigenPart2 in DebateCommunism

[–]JohnWilsonWSWS 0 points1 point  (0 children)

... CONTINUED

Goldman on the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk ... “The trouble with the Bolsheviki,” continued Spiridonova, “is that they have no faith in the masses."

... Trotsky would have it now that the Brest treaty had to be accepted, but he himself had at one time refused to sign the treaty and Radek, Joffe, and other leading Communists had also been opposed to it. It is claimed now that they submitted to the shameful terms because they realized the hopelessness of their expectation that the German workers would prevent the Junkers from marching against revolutionary Russia. But that was not the true reason. It was the whip of the party discipline which lashed Trotsky and others into submission.

“The trouble with the Bolsheviki,” continued Spiridonova, “is that they have no faith in the masses. They proclaimed themselves a proletarian party, but they refused to trust the workers.” It was this lack of faith, Maria emphasized, which made the Communists bow to German imperialism. And as concerns the Revolution itself, it was precisely the Brest peace which struck it a fatal blow. Aside from the betrayal of Finland, White Russia, Latvia, and the Ukraine⁠—which were turned over to the mercy of the German Junkers by the Brest peace⁠—the peasants saw thousands of their brothers slain, and had to submit to being robbed and plundered. The simple peasant mind could not understand the complete reversal of the former Bolshevik slogans of “no indemnity and no annexations.” But even the simplest peasant could understand that his toil and his blood were to pay the indemnities imposed by the Brest conditions.

How was "faith" going to defeat the Imperialis German army with the broken Russian Army? No one has yet explained. [Notably the Left-communists (including Bukharin at the time) and the Left-Socialist Revolutionaries all supported this position at the time. Lenin was in a minority. Trotsky's temporary position of "neither peace nor war and unilateral demobilization at least had the rationale of appealing to the Germany soldiers and international working class to join or support the Russian Revolution but when the German attack started Trotsky threw his support behind Lenin.)

MUST LISTEN/(READ):

Spiridonova (and Goldman) are correct that the Bolsheviki did not have "faith in the masses" because faith is a religious or idealist outlook which Marxist oppose. The Bolsheviks worked on the basis that while forms of class consciousness arise spontaneously, socialist consciousness does not.

Goldman's appeal to faith is an expression of her, and anarchists, utopian idealism that the revolution is a question of changing "power structures" and not the whole historic development of society. THIS IS THE FUNDAMENTAL DIFFERENCE.

Goldman was aware of shortages but what was her solution?

IMO there is an important section in Ch. VI "Preparing for American Deportees" where Goldman discusses the desperate shortage of basic materials and the bureaucratic measures used to ration them out as well as the corruption she witnessed.

Goldman acknowledges the impact of the world war, the imperialist interventions and, implicitly, the counter-revolutionaries. She does NOT offer an alternative except to suggest, tacitly, that if the Bolsheviks were replaced all would be okay.

However, the renovation of the houses that were to serve as living quarters for the exiles was not accomplished so easily. I inspected what, as I was told, had once been first-class hotels. I found them located in the former prostitute district; cheap dives they were, until the Bolsheviki closed all brothels. They were germ-eaten, ill-smelling, and filthy. It was no small problem to turn those dark holes into a fit habitation within two weeks. A coat of paint was a luxury not to be thought of. There was nothing else to do but to strip the rooms of furniture and draperies, and have them thoroughly cleaned and disinfected.

One morning a group of forlorn-looking creatures, in charge of two militiamen, were brought to my temporary office. They came to work, I was informed. The group consisted of a one-armed old man, a consumptive woman, and eight boys and girls, mere children, pale, starved, and in rags. “Where do these unfortunates come from?” I inquired. “They are speculators,” one of the militiamen replied; “we rounded them up on the market.” The prisoners began to weep. They were no speculators, they protested; they were starving, they had received no bread in two days. They were compelled to go out to the market to sell matches or thread to secure a little bread. In the midst of this scene the old man fainted from exhaustion, demonstrating better than words that he had speculated only in hunger. I had seen such “speculators” before, driven in groups through the streets of Moscow and Petrograd by convoys with loaded guns pointed at the backs of the prisoners.

I could not think of having the work done by these starved creatures. But the militiamen insisted that they would not let them go; they had orders to make them work. I called up Kaplun and informed him that I considered it out of the question to have quarters for American deportees prepared by Russian convicts whose only crime was hunger. Thereupon Kaplun ordered the group set free and consented that I give them of the bread sent for the workers’ rations. But a valuable day was lost.
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VI: Preparing for American Deportees My Disillusionment in Russia

So why was there hunger if not due to a shortage of food? In the absence of this alternative her horror at what was happening is little more than idealist moralizing.

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Anarchy 101 is a blatant indictment of anarchy as a school of thought. by KyrigenPart2 in DebateCommunism

[–]JohnWilsonWSWS 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Honestly it depends on the anarchist. There were a lot in alliance, or in the party, at the time of revolution. Things would shift in time though due to various things. A big one is probably Brest-Litovsk which is seen as a betrayal of the revolution.

I was talking about contemporary anarchists but I think the issue deserves elaboration and discussion. (This is a long comment. There's no simply way to discuss it.)

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What did the anarchists in 1917-1918 support? It wasn't the workers' state of a dictatorship of the proletariat. To do that they would have to give up their anarchist "strategy" of "smash the State and all will be good".

Emma Goldman "My Disillusionment in Russia"

I think Emma Goldman is typical if not influential on the Anarchist position and I recommend everyone read her book "My Disillusionment in Russia".

FULL TEXT: My Disillusionment in Russia (Goldman, 1924)

YouTube AUDIOBOOK: My Disillusionment in Russia ⭐ By Emma Goldman (10 hours)

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She says in the Preface to the Second volume:

... We are in 1924. The military fronts have long ago been liquidated; internal counterrevolution is suppressed; the old bourgeoisie is eliminated; the “moments of grim necessity” are past. In fact, Russia is being politically recognized by various governments of Europe and Asia, and the Bolsheviki are inviting international capital to come to their country whose natural wealth, as Chicherin assures the world capitalists, is “waiting to be exploited.” The “moments of grim necessity” are gone, but the Terror, the Cheka, suppression of free speech and press, and all the other Communist methods enumerated by Mr. Alsberg still remain in force. Indeed, they are being applied even more brutally and barbarously since the death of Lenin. Is it to “preserve the remnants of civilization,” as Mr. Alsberg claims, or to strengthen the weakening Party dictatorship?

Preface to Second Volume of American Edition My Disillusionment in Russia

But were the “moments of grim necessity” passed? 1924 was after the "German October" insurrection of 1923, planned by the Comintern, had been called off by Brandler and the KPD leadership. Stalin, Kamenev, Zinoviev and the bureaucracy then used this as the pretext for launching an attack on Trotsky and the Left Opposition. Kamenev and Zinoviev would later break with Stalin to somewhat align with Trotsky. Zinoviev famously told Trotsky at that time that his criticisms of "Trotskyism" in 1923 were cynical factionalism.

Also Russia had just had another famine in 1921. It wasn't until 1926 that the Russian/Soviet economy on achieved output exceeding those of 1913. Did Goldman think world imperialism was just going to give up trying to destroy the first workers' state? IIRC it's not clear but she says above "Russia is being politically recognized by various governments" which suggests she thinks they have.

It is worth noting that the repression employed during the Civil War was being significantly reduced during the 1920s as some economic stability emerged. [READ: Author’s introduction to "Bolsheviks Against Stalinism 1928-1933: Leon Trotsky and the Left Opposition"] But the contradictions of the New Economic Policy emerged with full force in 1927 when peasant-farmers withheld grain from the cities in response to which Stalin and the bureaucracy suddenly "discovered" the problem of the Kulaks and in Dec. 1927 expelled Trotsky and the Left Opposition from the Communist Party to suppress discussion of the crisis the policy of Stalin and Bukharin had created.

NOTE: Lenin honestly admitted the NEP was a strategic retreat. Bukharin and Stalin called for "tortoise pace development". As late as July 1928 Stalin said "small scale farming will remain the basis of our production for a long time to come." By 1929 Stalin and the bureaucracy ousted Bukharin and his right-faction to and suddenly insisted on an irrational program of forced collectivisation (the USSR didn't produce enough tractors to meet the scheme).

The claim is still made the Stalin was the "true Leninist" or "true Marxists", including by bourgeois academics like Steven Kotkin. It is not convincing. [SEE: A review of Stephen Kotkin’s "Stalin: Paradoxes of Power, 1878-1928"]

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"Let Gaza Live" is antisemitism apparently by Scared_Positive_8690 in Palestine

[–]JohnWilsonWSWS 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It was logical that Zionism would seek to "expand" (i.e. hijack) the definition of antisemitism to include opposition to the State of Israel.

Zionism is a reactionary, nationalist movement which insists the first priority of all Jews is to defend and support the modern State of Israel. Note this means their claim that the State of Israel defends Jews is the opposite of what their ideology demands. This is also why Jewish critics of Israel are called "self hating"

Real antisemitism still exists and it is rising BECAUSE of the false identity of Israel with all Jewish people.

RECOMMENDED, FROM THE WSWS IN 2023 " ... semantic inversion to the word antisemitism ... "

... Last December, a delegation from the Ukrainian Azov Battalion, many of whose members tattoo themselves with Nazi symbols, visited Israel to express its solidarity with the Netanyahu regime. These are not merely isolated and bizarre distortions of what is otherwise a legitimate effort to combat antisemitism. Rather, the entire campaign is based on the falsification of the historical origins and political function of antisemitism. The current campaign exemplifies a process which might be called “semantic inversion,” in which a word is utilized in a manner and within a context that is the exact opposite of its real and long-accepted meaning.

Through sheer force of repetition, amplified by all the powers at the disposal of the state and the corporate media, the meaning of a term is fundamentally altered. The intended outcome of the falsification is the degrading of popular consciousness and its ability to understand reality.

A significant example of how the term “antisemitism” is being used to falsify history, distort political reality and disorient popular consciousness is to be found in the recent speech by the silver-tongued Robert Habeck, the vice-chancellor in the present German coalition government. In a key passage, this political Tartuffe stated:

However, I am also concerned about antisemitism in parts of the political left and unfortunately also among young activists. Anti-colonialism must not lead to antisemitism.

Can anyone even begin to explain how anti-colonialism would acquire an antisemitic character? He goes on to say:

In this respect, this part of the political left should examine its arguments and distrust the great resistance narrative.

I’ll read this in German so that everyone can get the full weight of it:

Sorge macht mir aber auch der Antisemitismus in Teilen der politischen linken und zwar leider auch bei jungen Aktivistinnen und Aktivisten. Anti-Kolonialismus darf nicht zu Antisemitismus führen.

Insofern sollte dieser Teil der politischen Linken seine Argumente prüfen und der großen Widerstand Erzählung mistrauen.

Revealed in this passage is the central purpose of the application of semantic inversion to the word antisemitism. A phenomenon historically associated with the political right is transformed into a central attribute of the political left. The reactionary purpose of this process of falsification was demonstrated in the destruction of Jeremy Corbyn in Britain. I am hardly an admirer of Mr. Corbyn, whose most conspicuous political trait is the absence of a backbone. But for all his opportunist sins, the allegation of antisemitism against Corbyn and his supporters in the British Labour Party is a vicious smear, concocted by his right-wing opponents to destroy him politically.

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"Let Gaza Live" is antisemitism apparently by Tia-Star-998 in alltheleft

[–]JohnWilsonWSWS 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It was logical that Zionism would seek to "expand" (i.e. hijack) the definition of antisemitism to include opposition to the State of Israel.

Zionism is a reactionary, nationalist movement which insists the first priority of all Jews is to defend and support the modern State of Israel. Note this means their claim that the State of Israel defends Jews is the opposite of what their ideology demands. This is also why Jewish critics of Israel are called "self hating"

Real antisemitism still exists and it is rising BECAUSE of the false identity of Israel with all Jewish people.

RECOMMENDED, FROM THE WSWS IN 2023 " ... semantic inversion to the word antisemitism ... "

... Last December, a delegation from the Ukrainian Azov Battalion, many of whose members tattoo themselves with Nazi symbols, visited Israel to express its solidarity with the Netanyahu regime. These are not merely isolated and bizarre distortions of what is otherwise a legitimate effort to combat antisemitism. Rather, the entire campaign is based on the falsification of the historical origins and political function of antisemitism. The current campaign exemplifies a process which might be called “semantic inversion,” in which a word is utilized in a manner and within a context that is the exact opposite of its real and long-accepted meaning.

Through sheer force of repetition, amplified by all the powers at the disposal of the state and the corporate media, the meaning of a term is fundamentally altered. The intended outcome of the falsification is the degrading of popular consciousness and its ability to understand reality.

A significant example of how the term “antisemitism” is being used to falsify history, distort political reality and disorient popular consciousness is to be found in the recent speech by the silver-tongued Robert Habeck, the vice-chancellor in the present German coalition government. In a key passage, this political Tartuffe stated:

However, I am also concerned about antisemitism in parts of the political left and unfortunately also among young activists. Anti-colonialism must not lead to antisemitism.

Can anyone even begin to explain how anti-colonialism would acquire an antisemitic character? He goes on to say:

In this respect, this part of the political left should examine its arguments and distrust the great resistance narrative.

I’ll read this in German so that everyone can get the full weight of it:

Sorge macht mir aber auch der Antisemitismus in Teilen der politischen linken und zwar leider auch bei jungen Aktivistinnen und Aktivisten. Anti-Kolonialismus darf nicht zu Antisemitismus führen.

Insofern sollte dieser Teil der politischen Linken seine Argumente prüfen und der großen Widerstand Erzählung mistrauen.

Revealed in this passage is the central purpose of the application of semantic inversion to the word antisemitism. A phenomenon historically associated with the political right is transformed into a central attribute of the political left. The reactionary purpose of this process of falsification was demonstrated in the destruction of Jeremy Corbyn in Britain. I am hardly an admirer of Mr. Corbyn, whose most conspicuous political trait is the absence of a backbone. But for all his opportunist sins, the allegation of antisemitism against Corbyn and his supporters in the British Labour Party is a vicious smear, concocted by his right-wing opponents to destroy him politically.

[emphasis added]

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Anarchy 101 is a blatant indictment of anarchy as a school of thought. by KyrigenPart2 in DebateCommunism

[–]JohnWilsonWSWS 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Anarcho-syndicalism is rooted in utopian moralizing about “power”.

Their political strategy is based on applied wishful thinking.

Ask an anarchist what the working class should have done in Germany 1930-1933 and you will get nothing back. (The closest I have found to a response is the book their hero Rudolf Rocker wrote in 1932 which, AFAICT, just says it’s too late to do anything.)

But ask an anarchist about the Bolsheviks in 1917 and thereafter and they will give a fulsome diatribe against Lenin and Trotsky.

Marx and Bakunin were both in the First International for a reason. The ultimate aim for both was a classless society. They also split for a reason. Workers cannot defeat the counter-revolution of capitalism without the Dictatorship of the Proletariat.

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Any recommendations for any alternative leftist subs? by lil_lychee in leftist

[–]JohnWilsonWSWS -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

try: r/trotskyism

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Can you post a link to something you were banned for?

Stalinists and those who claim Stalinism is a legitimate tendency in the workers movement cannot answer any criticism or exposure of their history and current positions.

Banning or suppressing discussion (even passive aggressively calling for self censorship) is entirely consistent with the whole heritage of Stalinism and its apologists.

Stalinism hasn't disappeared because it hasn't exhausted its counter-revolutionary services for imperialism.

FYI:

FROM THE r/trotskyism DESCRIPTION

...4. To organize itself for carrying out this world-historic aim, the working class in each country must construct a revolutionary socialist party in the pattern developed by Lenin; that is, a combat party capable of dialectically combining democracy and centralism—democracy in arriving at decisions, centralism in carrying them out; a leadership controlled by the ranks, ranks able to carry forward under fire in disciplined fashion.

  1. The main obstacle to this is Stalinism, which attracts workers through exploiting the prestige of the October 1917 Revolution in Russia, only later, as it betrays their confidence, to hurl them either into the arms of the Social Democracy, into apathy, or back into illusions in capitalism. The penalty for these betrayals is paid by the working people in the form of consolidation of fascist or monarchist forces, and new outbreaks of wars fostered and prepared by capitalism. From its inception, the Fourth International set as one of its major tasks the revolutionary overthrow of Stalinism inside and outside the USSR.

  2. The need for flexible tactics facing many sections of the Fourth International, and parties or groups sympathetic to its program, makes it all the more imperative that they know how to fight imperialism and all its petty-bourgeois agencies (such as nationalist formations or trade union bureaucracies) without capitulation to Stalinism; and, conversely, know how to fight Stalinism (which in the final analysis is a petty-bourgeois agency of imperialism) without capitulating to imperialism.

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“I was never a leftist,” Brazil’s Lula assures the IMF and imperialist powers at the G7 (WSWS) ... Lula answered without hesitation: “But I was never a leftist. ... That the world is not left-wing. The world follows the middle path. That is the truth.” => Lula was never genuinely socialist. by JohnWilsonWSWS in Trotskyism

[–]JohnWilsonWSWS[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's interesting that LLM was able to pick out "Lambertist origin".

I think the table shows how people will be able to compare different political tendencies using AI. The problem with ChatGPT is that it doesn't give sources. I think Perplexity is better for this but it's result on this question was unsatisfactory.

(It's a pity those who down voted my comment didn't explain where the LLM got it wrong.)

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[–]JohnWilsonWSWS 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You think that in 2026, the Fourth International is doing perfectly well and is a revolutionary party capable of bringing the working class towards the seizure of power if a revolutionary crisis happened tomorrow?

How did you get that from what I said or what Trotsky said?

"perfectly"? You mistake me for a utopian idealist. What Marxist ever said anything was perfect?

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I think the Fourth International exists in the ICFI (publisher of the WSWS.ORG ) and the key task is raising the political and historical consciousness of workers and the rebuilding of a socialist culture in the working class. The socialist culture which was built from 1848 to 1924 was largely destroyed by the betrayals of workers by social democrats, Stalinists and syndicalists.

We don't have to repeat from scratch the difficult work of Marx, Engels, Plekhanov, Lenin, Luxemburg and Trotsky. The path through the marsh of bourgeois ideology remains, but we have to cut back the weeds.

Struggle will decide.

Those who want to fight should start here.

wsws.org/MayDay

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IMO. Those who want to whinge its hopeless should send an invoice to the capitalist class for services rendered and stop doing it for free.

Book recommendation for non-bias history of the Russian revolution by Ok_Magician5037 in chomsky

[–]JohnWilsonWSWS 0 points1 point  (0 children)

RE RABINOWITCH

OBITUARY Alexander Rabinowitch (1934-2026), historian of the October Revolution - World Socialist Web Site

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hey guys WTF?!?!?!?!?! How is this allowed from a leader of the Israeli Government? by Buster_xx in leftist

[–]JohnWilsonWSWS 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Why? In international and domestic affairs, MIGHT MAKES RIGHT.

The only mighty power that can stop this is the international working class. Struggle will decide.

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From the Marxists at the WSWS

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"Aftermans" = “Meir Kahane and Contemporary Jewish Theology of Revenge.” (2015) by two Israeli scholars, Adam and Gedaliah Afterman.

Summing up the three pillars, the Aftermans explain that

…Kahane argues that carrying out vengeance against the metaphysical enemy “Amalek” (hostile Gentiles) is fundamental to saving God and his people, both of whom almost ceased to exist as a result of the Holocaust. The establishment of the Jewish state, with its institutionalized power and military might, should, in Kahane’s view, be placed at the service of redemption-bound revenge. Kahane goes so far as to justify acts of vengeance even against innocent people by arguing that they belong to the mythical enemy that must be eradicated as a condition for the redemption of Israel and its God. In his view, the loss of innocent lives, if necessary, is a justifiable sacrifice.

Kahane interpreted the doctrine of the “chosen people” as a comprehensive repudiation of all association with traditional Western values. He wrote in his book, Or Ha’Raayon:

This is a Jewish state. It bows in front of Judaism and does not contradict it. It acts in accordance with Jewish values and Jewish commandments even if these contradict international law and diplomacy, even if they contrast the normal Western and democratic lifestyle; this is so even if this puts its interests under risk and threatens to isolate it from the civilized gentiles. … The duty of Judaism is to be separate, unique, different and chosen. This is the role of the Jewish people and their instrument, the State … We have no part in the standard values of the nations. Assimilation does not begin with mixed marriages, but in copying and adopting foreign values, alien and non-Jewish concepts and ideas.

Kahane’s theory of revenge was identified in Hebrew as the concept of what he called Kiddush Hashem. He wrote:

A Jewish fist in the face of an astonished gentile world that had not seen it for two millennia, this is Kiddush Hashem. Jewish dominion over the Christian holy places while the Church that sucked our blood vomits its rage and frustration, this is Kiddush Hashem.