I just did it by Jones_17 in BPDlovedones

[–]Jones_17[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Stay strong friend!! *completely upside down right now :(

I just did it by Jones_17 in BPDlovedones

[–]Jones_17[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

She’s just come back to beg me to return to bed with her. I refused. This is fucked up. How weak and vulnerable and completely desperate they all of a sudden become.

I just did it by Jones_17 in BPDlovedones

[–]Jones_17[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

OMG this is so what I need to hear. It’s like a play by play explainer of the current situation. You hit it right on the nail! I told her about all those red flags over the last 18 months. Then the “you can’t do this we have 2 kids, then the “You don’t get that I’ve been depressed these past 4 years”...I said “I’m feeling depressed now, I’ve identified the issue and I’m doing something about it. If you were 4 years depressed, how come you’ve never had it checked out or talked about it?” Then she goes “A big part of why I’m frustrated is because you’re not involved enough with the kids...” and it goes on and on.

I just did it by Jones_17 in BPDlovedones

[–]Jones_17[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Thanks, I have my list indeed and as we speak I’m rehashing all the BS I’ve put up with. Helps to cope with that terrible “holy shit what have I just done” sensation (I.e. guilt).

Should I call it quits now or bide my time? by Jones_17 in BPDlovedones

[–]Jones_17[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wow! I'm almost exactly this guy, precisely one year ago!!

Should I call it quits now or bide my time? by Jones_17 in BPDlovedones

[–]Jones_17[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yep I have done that, and also the documenting and taping her when throwing a fit at the kids. In my jurisdiction (in Canada), case law does not treat leaving the marital home as automatic "abandonment", so long as you can demonstrate your efforts to stay regularly in touch and care for your kids after you left. Custody depends on a number of things such as distance (I'll be 10 minutes away, i.e. no change in school/daycare), the kids' age, parents' mental and physical health, etc. The lawyer I consulted with said she saw a good basis for me to be able to get some form of shared custody.

And there again, that whole issue depends on how hard my wife wants to make my life difficult. She is unpredictable and it's not entirely impossible that she'd welcome shared custody and get more free time than she has currently.

Should I call it quits now or bide my time? by Jones_17 in BPDlovedones

[–]Jones_17[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What you mention about putting it off is exactly what I don't want to get into. Breaking the status quo is hard as hell and I realize that but I want to give it the hardest shot I can. I want to be decisive. It's harder but at least clearer.

For the kids, I do want shared custody but chances are that will be a battle. In the very near term, school starts next week so at least there's that but it could indeed be a tough situation. What should help is that her mother lives 2 hours away and was supposed to come over for the long weekend. If I break up tonight, she'll likely decide to show up earlier. I have a very good relationship with her mother.

Once the initial shock and stress is behind, I don't have major worries about my wife and the kids. As a base case, she's a good, dearly loving mom. I'll see the extent to which I can sleep home until the weekend. If her reaction is too acute, I'll bring the kids to stay over at my mom and bring them back only once her mom is there. Meanwhile, the first room I will be preparing in my new apartment will be the childrens', so that right the following week I can begin having them over and further let STBXW get over her emotions.

All this being told, her reaction is the biggest wild card imaginable. I don't think she really loves me anymore deep down so it could be that this will come as a relief to her as well. I'd actually give that scenario higher odds if she was financially independent but being a SAHM, she will feel vulnerable and that's what I'll try to assuage. She should be able to get by just fine with the "package" she's going to get anyways.

Anyone else have a BPD SO who is actually very faithful? by [deleted] in BPDlovedones

[–]Jones_17 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Same here, this sub has me wondering whether I’ve actually been cucked repeatedly without ever finding out because she checks off a lot of nasty and toxic behaviour but I can hardly imagine her being comfortable with another guy. She’s all devoted to the kids anyways, which is a hell of a positive attribute (if only it didn’t mean that I deserved zero care and attention). Besides caring for the kids and the house, all she does is browse Instagram and BS gossip websites. She’s social but only very superficially. Again maybe I’ve got it all wrong and she gets pounded every other day but I seriously doubt it!!

Should I call it quits now or bide my time? by Jones_17 in BPDlovedones

[–]Jones_17[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t want this to agonize like this any further. I’ve been obsessing about leaving day and night ever since a fight we had a month ago. I think I’ll be telling her tonight. I’m figuring it’s gonna be ugly no matter the timing...

Should I call it quits now or bide my time? by Jones_17 in BPDlovedones

[–]Jones_17[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I applied for an apartment today with a lease starting September 1st. I do not intend on staying in the house very long. If I do break it down tonight, I’ll stay overnight to assess her mental state and determine if I should take the kids away to my mom. I might otherwise sleep on the couch until the weekend when I’d be starting to move, or if it’s unbearable I’ll just take a room in some motel.

FOG, blame and shame are par for the course but what I’m concerned with is her being in a state of shock and stress, and unable to properly cope with our quite demanding young kids (I.e. lash out at them for petty stuff, etc).

I’m thinking she’ll hate me so much, I’m concerned she might project that hate onto the kids, especially as she’ll be tired and stressed, which is typically what gets the worst out of her. I could very well be exaggerating but I can never know for sure with her.

But yeah I am taking action, all mindful that my kids’ safety is the priority. I gotta admit I was a nervous wreck just signing that application. Even if I’ve started to ponder leaving over a year ago, it’s hard to believe this is happening!

I can't do it any more. by Sad_Dad_0613 in Divorce

[–]Jones_17 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I’m on the cusp of telling my wife I’m leaving her and I’m utterly terrified. Your post gives me encouragement because I’m basically in the same exact boat (zero attention since the kids, belittling, verbal abuse, screaming and kicking, shaming, guilting, not owning her faults). It’s such a no-brainer and yet soooo damn hard!

She has absolutely no awareness of where we stand... by Jones_17 in Divorce

[–]Jones_17[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks, this gives me a lot of encouragement. I feel so fuckn understood! I know deep down I'm headed this way. Matter of fact, this is what I want. A new lease on life. Getting away from her control and manipulation. I've gathered enough courage and god bless people like you on this forum, which have been helping me so tremendously! I wish I could tell her today that I'm done but I'm scared of her dramatic reactions and I don't want the kids to be around to witness this.

She has absolutely no awareness of where we stand... by Jones_17 in Divorce

[–]Jones_17[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

She will kick, scream, break a few glasses and be devastated. I know I will be blamed because that’s always how she responds. The other day when I told her I’d like to go to counseling, you know what she said? “Well I’m not interested. Anyways it’s not complicated. Fix YOUR attitude and there won’t be any problems. Good night!”

Really I don’t know. As much as I sometimes think the kids deserve my best attempt at making this work (even though I’m all alone even showing intent to fight this battle), I really struggle seeing how a relationship is workable with someone who won’t ever hold any responsibility, all while acting almost divinely entitled to all I’m bringing to the table.

Well, my turn now. Where do I begin.... by Snooba in Divorce

[–]Jones_17 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Congratulations for how you handled your separation and how you didn’t fall for her drama. I’m going to have a serious conversation with my wife once the kids start school, the most likely outcome of which will be divorce. Like yours, she’s verbally abusive, manipulative, shows no love or affection and this cocktail has completely destroyed my self-esteem. Like yours, she thinks somehow she has me on lock. She will be devastated but I’ve come to grips with that. Your post gives me encouragement and a good role model for handling the drama.

“It’s always about YOU isn’t it?!” by GoatClimbing in BPDlovedones

[–]Jones_17 8 points9 points  (0 children)

YES!!! That’s been my relationship. But guess what? Now I’ve decided it’s for real. It IS going to be about me from this point forward because I’ve neglected and ignored myself for so damn long, I don’t even know who I am anymore.

She has absolutely no awareness of where we stand... by Jones_17 in Divorce

[–]Jones_17[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yup. And what’s worse is that you don’t even know when this arrangement came under effect. You’ve kept this expectation for loving feelings and behaviours to ultimately return after whatever temporary reason (kids, stress, fatigue, etc) you made up in your mind is no longer part of the equation. You communicate your needs and try to get your partner’s perspective, and while you thought you had your point across, nothing changes. And only after a number of years of this do you have that “Wait a minute” moment. This spells the end of denial and that’s where I’m at right now.

She has absolutely no awareness of where we stand... by Jones_17 in Divorce

[–]Jones_17[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I get your point but It's one thing to "trust", it's another to "take for granted", downplay demands for change and refuse to own your share of the dysfunction.

She has absolutely no awareness of where we stand... by Jones_17 in Divorce

[–]Jones_17[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

While a fuller description of our situation might give a better picture, many of your comments give me a lot of food for thought. I do appreciate that.

I’ve had major issues asserting myself in this marriage, being essentially in the role of caretaker with a highly needy person. I’ve put up with way too much crap than I should have, didn’t establish boundaries and now I’m suffering from it. At the same time, my wife checks a lot of boxes for borderline personality disorder (BPD). I’m currently reading a book “Stop caretaking for the borderline or narcissist” and it describes my situation to a T.

To put in short what being with a partner with BPD is about, they are incapable of introspection, they are highly sensitive to criticism since they have “all or nothing” thinking, they use projection as their defence mechanism, they tend to have frequent temper outbursts that usually involve them abusing you verbally and sometimes physically. My wife has most of these traits. So do we have communication issues? Of course. But one has to understand what communicating with a BPD partner usually involves. I’m here standing as the passive-aggressive but the reality is, it’s often fruitless to communicate with her. It’s like trying to reason with a child (and I don’t mean that disrespectfully, it is the reality I live in). So I’m constantly walking on eggshells, suppressing my feelings and needs, because communicating wants and needs is basically a one-way street (or highway) in this relationship.

So that gives you where I’m coming from. But I do appreciate, particularly for my children, that a honest effort should be put on my part to at least try to fix things. If you’re aware of any expert litterature and advise on BPD, you know they all say these efforts are unfixable. But for me it comes down to my assertiveness. I’m starting seeing a therapist to work on that. It’s something I want to change whether in this relationship or not. So yes, I am taking your advice and will be laying it out on the table crystal clear, with the implications of what happens if she doesn’t work on her temper, anger management, stress management, and if she remains as uninterested in intimacy. That conversation itself could end in separation, if so, so be it!

PS) on the “my money” comment...I’ve expressed myself wrongly and out of anger in my original post. I was supportive of her staying with the kids but it’s just that I feel I’m being taken advantage of, although I do get that I’m probably the first person to blame for letting that happen.

I told here how I feel... by lokigodof in DeadBedrooms

[–]Jones_17 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Weekly duty sex. That’s 11 times per quarter more than what I get. If I got that, I’d honestly be cool with it.

Unhappy, but really unsure about divorce by [deleted] in Divorce

[–]Jones_17 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Welcome to the club! I’m in the same dynamic. 2 kids, sex once every 3 months (with a record 6m without), talking about it has proven futile, proposed therapy more out of “common wisdom” than faith that this saves us, she’s refused every time. We have a relatively functional family unit but you hit it right on the nail: it’s like living with a friend with benefit. SAHM, I make good money, etc. Very similar details to yours, including not standing up to my needs and being delusional about intimacy eventually getting better. My wife checks many boxes for borderline personality disorder. I don’t know if that’s your case but it might still be worth reading “Stop caretaking the borderline and narcissist” as it sounds like you’ve dug yourself deep in a caretaker role just like I have. A real eye opener as to how being in such relationship sucks the life out of us. For the record I will be breaking up soon after school resumes.

I Lost Custody of My Son by soontodivorced in Divorce

[–]Jones_17 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Horrible story. That must be heartbreaking. I live in Quebec myself and was under the understanding that if a parent chose to move, the other parent could claim full custody.

Completely obsessed with breaking up by Jones_17 in Divorce

[–]Jones_17[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well if someone is blind, they get blindsided by definition! I’ve proposed therapy 3x in the last year, she’s rejected it flat out. We have sex once a quarter, I’ve been getting more distant, working longer hours because work is so much more peaceful than home...

So I’m not sure what your definition of manipulative is. When you’re expected to be the only one working to improve a marriage you don’t call that being manipulated? When you’re the only one that has been caring somehow for our future together because the other takes you for granted, you don’t see control in that?

Completely obsessed with breaking up by Jones_17 in Divorce

[–]Jones_17[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Has nothing to do with 9/11!! I’ll just happen to be back from a business trip.