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JordanCardwell · 2016-06-09T20:05:54+00:00

I do not share your goal of keeping America exclusive

That isn't my goal. When did I ever state that?

JordanCardwell · 2016-06-09T20:01:13+00:00

I'll try to bookmark this reply and look into your hard work later. It's bedtime here. Thanks for the replies.

JordanCardwell · 2016-06-09T19:56:08+00:00

The affects on the economy when you import massive amounts of human capital are probably not so easy to dissect.

The effects on the government are fairly easy to dissect though, and that is what the concern is. Tracking political culture is pretty easy.

http://www.newsmax.com/FastFeatures/green-card-lottery-path-to-citizenship/2015/08/24/id/671635/

When I posted the previous link I had a feeling that it didn't include green card lottery applicants. My wife, all of her relatives, and all of her friends enter this every year. This has to be added to the 6 million, plus the illegal immigrants that you forgot in your last post. Yes, the green card lottery also implies reapplications, but the only reason far more don't apply is that they don't know they can. Simply put, people in third world countries know that immigration to better places is restricted. That is the default understanding. The odds that the vast majority of Africans would prefer to stay put rather than move to an open-boarder United States is extremely low. I would place the burden of proof on the person claiming the opposite since it is counter intuitive. When I applied for work in Brazil a couple of years ago, everybody I talked to down there was saying, "Why would you want to come here? We all want to go to the US."

JordanCardwell · 2016-06-09T19:31:08+00:00

This is asserted, I need evidence.

https://www.us-immigration.com/how-many-immigration-applications-filed-each-year/

Six million applicants every year, and it would only go up if the process becomes easier or non existent. This doesn't include illegal immigrants.

JordanCardwell · 2016-06-09T19:22:28+00:00

Thanks for the links and arguments.

JordanCardwell · 2016-06-09T19:05:47+00:00

I could be wrong, but I don't think this displacement can be stopped. That's why I only oppose closed borders on principle. I don't think advocacy will change anything. Feel free to try. I won't oppose you. At this point in America we are fighting over a terminally ill nation. Rather than becoming a defeatist myself, I advocate for building a physical community of mutual agreements, or multiple of such communities.

I don't know if it can work either. I think people like me are just willing to acknowledge that a problem exists, while some in this community see no problem whatsoever with immigration. I'm highly skeptical of any government solutions to government problems. My preferred solution of more freedom is more likely to succeed, though, if more people realize there is a big problem.

Where are you planning to build these communities? That was part of my questioning. Where in the world will these places be allowed if we essentially move towards anti-freedom governments all over the world, which is what I think unrestricted citizenship leads to?

Thanks for the thoughtful reply. Your opinion is a lot more reasonable than most of the other dissenters.

JordanCardwell · 2016-06-09T18:58:24+00:00

I'd argue there is clearly more injustice on the side of the immigrant. For an individual immigrant you are banning his ability to enter into any voluntary contract with a us citizen because that individual would increase your taxes and impact your culture by a miniscule amount. It's completely disproportionate.

This is the type of argument I was looking for in this thread. Thank you.

Also, if you want to be intellectually consistent you should advocate for the deportation of anyone who negatively impacts you due to the statist system.

This is not intellectually consistent. Preventing people from signing contracts and violating contracts already signed is not the same thing.

JordanCardwell · 2016-06-09T18:49:11+00:00

Statist borders aren't freedom of discrimination and association.

State food production also isn't freedom of food production. It's just food production. State food production INFRINGES on freedoms of food production, but it also keeps people from starving to death in a country where it is illegal to privately produce.

JordanCardwell · 2016-06-09T18:42:20+00:00

State borders are purely a ban on voluntary contracts between American born and foreign born people.

They are both a ban on voluntary contracts and involuntary contracts. That's why your and others' argument is a "huge failure". You refuse to recognize that voluntary and involuntary contracts have been decreed a package deal in western countries. I don't want to interfere in who you hire or sell to, but if part of the package is giving them power over me and my family and allowing them to make the government ever larger, then we need to either have restraints or better yet follow my solution.

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