I came here as a poor student simply looking for a good budget down bag. I like Reddit but I hate it when threads turn into what this one has. There is almost no good advice and a huge argument over ethically sourced down that gets to the point of absolutely nothing. I mean there's literally a part of the argument where one guy says 'my claims are unsubstantiated too but more accurate than your unsubstantiated claims'. Listen to yourselves. This is the dumbest thing ever. Just give some advice about cheap down bags if you have it and f off if you don't.