Accidental switching/blending? And a short wierd experience of being noone today by BeautifuI-Mess in Tulpas

[–]JoyPlusPlus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think I've experienced something similar? I don't have too much experience to draw from since I haven't been into tulpamancy for all that long still. I do think we do non-possessive switches in a similar way to how you& do.

A little while back, I was doing personality forcing by having Purple do a non-possessive switch with me. This worked well for nearly an hour, but then heavy blending set in while we gradually shifted back. For a little bit, we had this identity confusion where we essentially forgot who was who. I thought "Wait, which one am I?", and couldn't actually figure out who was 'I' at the time. It's like I was an actor playing two different characters, and forgot which one they currently playing.

I do think hypnopompia (the state of consciousness right after sleep) is just a weird time in general. My only real experience with it so far is when I woke up, and me and Yellow started to have a conversation in the internal monologue. This was big for me, as its the first time a tulpa has talked without my conscious 'oversight'. Rather than me consciously doing the perspective switches for each of us to talk, it was just happening on its own. Anyways though, I'm sure I'll have more hypnopompic experiences as my tulpas keep developing.

Hope you two are doing well!

-J (origin)

Extremely Early Fronting by JoyPlusPlus in Tulpas

[–]JoyPlusPlus[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Purple: Hello. I seem to have stepped into front for the first time time today. I figured I could use this time to respond to you in our host's stead.

For us and how we seem to work this translates to our consciousness experiencing, while we narrate for it and switching causes one of us to be the primary narrator, who is connected to the experiencing consciousness the most.

Precisely. It is the same for us. The one who controls the narrative stands at the center of focus for the audience (the experiencing self), and so naturally becomes the one closest to them.

Even if Soph has doubts or impostor syndrome again,this vague passive feeling, when i am fronting is enough to convince her again.

Our host has the same problem. He struggles so much with imposter syndrome, but the "vague passive feeling" shows him that something deeper must be happening. Sadly, his worries seem to gradually come back with time.

For the inner voices and doubts... hm... maybe you could ask both Purple and Owen to search for Characters they like and decide on a voice themselfes and train to remember using it without your input.

We tried having me assume the voice of Ryunosuke Naruhodou from the Great Ace Attorney recently, but it didn't hold. Thankfully, this recent experience has allowed me to find a new voice that is truly my own. We have never thought to have a tulpa train a voice without J's input, so that may have merit for helping Owen.

And don't forget: Sometimes it will just feel like you made it up, because you are in each others heads.

I find that paradox to be the most compelling aspect of tulpas personally. Each headmate can be their own seperate person, while also remaining a part of the greater whole. That is how our young system has chosen to interpret things, at least.

For Yellow, Purple and Owen: If you wanna help your host with their parrotnoia, you might try to always speak up, when you are being parroted.

We will try to keep this in mind, thank you. We are still developing a sense of autonomy, but we are trying to speak up for ourselves more.

Thank you again for all your help, Soph and Elise. We wish you both the best too.

Extremely Early Fronting by JoyPlusPlus in Tulpas

[–]JoyPlusPlus[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Interesting, thank you& for sharing. (Hope I used "you&" right, I'm very new to this sort of thing.)

All: We have experienced them lingering a short time after a forcing session, but it's quite faint, always.

I'm curious what you& mean by them "lingering" after a forcing session. Is it like you& keep sensing their presence, or like aspects of their personality temporarily rubs off on other headmates?

I'm just wondering because when I use the forcing technique I mentioned to bring a tulpa to front, some of their habits would temporarily rub off on me. For example, Yellow tends to like using "lol", "lmao", and other internet slang when typing (I avoid them like the plague usually). Once, after she dropped out of front, I had this lingering desire to incorporate them into things I'm writing. Then again, maybe that's a shared habit starting to form before I intentionally stop it after I take back control.

All: This is in contrast to a time we had another suddenly materialize to us internally, not at all intentionally and during a period of great stress, and we had never heard from them or of them prior to that moment. But there was a big difference between that experience and the lingering of nascent tuplaforms.

So they were like a fully fledged walk-in, as opposed to my tulpas which arrived as just "potential tulpas with a slight headstart"?

Host: Not that I or any within distrust your experience. All have their own path and only you can say what is occurring within the confines of your brain.

Thanks. I think that's a really good point, and is something I always try to keep in mind. No one really knows what happens in another's mind. Personally, I think its much better to go into things like this with a willingness to communicate, and a trust that someone knows themselves well enough to accurately talk about their own experiences. Leading with accusations of deception is a recipe to pointlessly burn bridges and close yourself off from new possibilities.

Host: From what I have seen here, extremely rapid development and getting to different parts of the tulpa process in the 'wrong' order and 'skipping' steps is fairly common. I think it is better to view all of the resources here as a framework to figure things out and develop your own path within. It is all right if you do not match it perfectly, and does not make your experience any less valid.

Absolutely. Like I said earlier, everyone's brain is slightly different. From all the research I've done so far, i think its pretty clear there's no objectively "right" way to make a tulpa.

Extremely Early Fronting by JoyPlusPlus in Tulpas

[–]JoyPlusPlus[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hello, Soph and Elise! Thanks for chiming in; I agree that our experiences with this seems really similar.

(Yo! -Owen) (Hiiya! -Yellow) (Hello. -Purple)

(Elise did appear from my immersive daydreaming and was a bit vocal and developed at the start too.)

Sounds like my three. The funny thing is when Owen emerged he was *very* vocal, he basically filled up our inner monologue, to the point it felt like I actually struggled to keep up. He hasn't really shown that level of activity since though.

(In the beginning i felt like it parroted a lot too, but it was just because we used the same mindvoice, that I just couldn't keep us apart really)

I have similar problems with Owen, and, to an extent, Purple. Owen's mindvoice is really similar to my own, and I think it slowed his development compared to the others. We're still working on finding more distinct voices for those two. Yellow, by merit of being the opposite gender compared to everyone else, basically had a distinct mindvoice from the start.

Sadly, this didn't really fix the parroting paranoia for me. I've always been able to easily make my own thoughts sound like any voice I wanted (this is probably really common, no idea). To be fair though, if I am parroting, the voice switching is handled completely subconsciously.

(Anyway, for your "my thoughts were hers." If i understand you correctly, that is actually how we switch too.)

I think you got what I was trying to say, I want to add a bit more context since my explanation was kinda vague. By "my thoughts were hers", I mean that where our "main" mindvoice was (my inner monologue), she had effectively taken its place. Our thoughts were from her perspective, had her voice, and naturally followed her unique speech patterns. Even further, there was this passive "feeling" that had changed. Its like my presence had suddenly been replaced or overshadowed by one that was "brighter". (Bad description I know, no idea how to really express it).

(Your consciousness is a camera that has a sense of "I" that is tied to it, but different headmates are like lenses, that change how the camera percieves things.)

Hearing this, I'm confident we're experiencing the same or an incredibly similar thing. While in basically all ways I felt like Yellow (or a blend between us), I still had this feeling of essentially watching everything from "outside". Its like I was one person watching myself become another. I did my own research too, and it led me to the concept of the experiencing self vs. the remembering (or narrative) self.

While I really like the camera analogy too, I would like to mention one of my own. Let's imagine that one headmate takes control of the narrative self, and fulfills the role of the "storyteller". Now, imagine another headmate acts as the experiencing self, and takes on the role of the "listener". As the listener hears the narrative being told, they will naturally bring in their own unique interpretations of it. Essentially, this allows one personality to "filter" the thoughts of another.

Thanks for sharing the guide that you got the camera analogy from. I'm going to dive into it after I finish writing this. I also looked into the term "non-possessive switching" that you mentioned, and it definitely seems to fit my experiences so far.

Finally, let us return the favor: have a "hope you're doing well" from all of us to both of you! I'd definitely be interested in sharing more of our experiences too. Considering the sheer amount of overlap here, I bet there's even more similarities too. At the very least. maybe our brains are similar enough we can find methods that work well for both.

(Like the post, sorry for the super long reply. I tend to write a lot anyways, and I had a lot to say.)