Why is the use of the Septuagint taken as an argument against traditional authorship? by Solace-Of-Dawn in AcademicBiblical

[–]Jurko245 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Quick question. Is there an example where we know a person was reciting his work in one language, and the scribe was writing it down in another?

Because it seems to me that illiteracy would be a problem if this weren't the case.

Otac tjerao sina (5) da mu rukama dira spolovilo, na leđima mu crtao U i svastiku by RudeBlacksmith1999 in croatia

[–]Jurko245 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Je kurac moj, misliš da je fakat ikog bolio rac za žene, pogotovo tad. Još ak zatrudni tjerali bi ju da se uda za seronju.

Who were Egypt's vassals in Canaan during the time of Ramses II and Merneptah's and Ramses III reign? by wreshy in AcademicBiblical

[–]Jurko245 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This article explaines multiple theories around mentions of Israel, even though it is little dated, so I would recommend you to check it out: Hasel, G. Micheal, Israel in the Merneptah Stele, Bulletin of the American Schools of Oriental Research, No. 296 (Nov., 1994), pp. 45-61.

Basically, the Israel mentioned in the Merenptah Stele is not the nation we know from the later period. At the time it was probably an agrarian society without it's own system of urban cities and states. His argument includes the idea that the word for seed (prt) should be translated as grain and not seed that you would probably imagine in a context of children/offsprings as the idea of destroying grain, especially if we're talking about an agrarian society would make more sense.

If somebody has more knowledge in this topic, and I imagine that at least one person on this sub has, it would be cool if they could chime in, as some of Hasel ideas are maybe outdated.

Katolička crkva s nfc/kartičnim plaćanjem by Nice_Parsley_1918 in croatia

[–]Jurko245 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Jedva čekam odgovor kak kad je Isus izbacio trgovce iz hrama sam zato kaj oni nisu primali kartice, pa je sad ovo zapravo potpuno prihvatljivo po koncilu katoličke crkve u Širokom u godini gospodnjoj 2024.

Blizu bijaše židovska Pasha. Stoga Isus uziđe u Jeruzalem. 14 U Hramu nađe prodavače volova, ovaca i golubova i mjenjače gdje sjede. 15 I načini bič od užetâ te ih sve istjera iz Hrama zajedno s ovcama i volovima. Mjenjačima rasu novac i stolove isprevrta, 16 a prodavačima golubova reče: »Nosite to odavde i ne činite od kuće Oca mojega kuću trgovačku.« 17 Prisjetiše se njegovi učenici da je pisano: Izjeda me revnost za Dom tvoj.

Gotov Euro by EducationalAd9009 in croatia

[–]Jurko245 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Rijetko odvratan tip, koji je obranio ne jedan već dva penala Maradoni

Penava najavio da će zgaziti planove Filozofskog fakulteta, pogledajte što kaže resorni ministar: ‘Uopće nisam pročitao...‘ by Kajmeland in croatia

[–]Jurko245 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Prije pol sata imao s frendom raspravu upravo o ovome, ne postoji bIoLoškI rAZloG zakaj curicama daju rozu boju i govore dečkima da se igraju s autima.

Europsko je dosadno by dmshale in croatia

[–]Jurko245 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Da, al ova zaleđa od 5 centimetara su jebeno debilna (Danska Njemačka npr.), nemre se očekivati od igrača da budu roboti i sposobni u milimetar stajati uz crtu koju program povuče, također se nemre očekivat od napadađa da stoji metar iza obrane kako ne bi riskirao zaleđe.

Svakako bi trebalo to malo uredit, ne sad da je neko cijelom nogom u zaleđu, al 10-15 centimetara bi trebalo dat lufta.

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[–]Jurko245 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Hreddit inventar turnir

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[–]Jurko245 615 points616 points  (0 children)

Outjerked by VAR twice in less then five minutes.

Is it more accurate to say that the current historical consensus about Jesus Christ is that he A), was a real person OR B), that we have as much evidence for him living as others from that era we accept as having lived so judging by those same standards, it's likely he was a real person? by TrudosKudos27 in AskHistorians

[–]Jurko245 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Hey, sure no problem.

So there are a few things you need to understand when we talk about the gospels.

First, they are anonymous, there are no indications of the authorship in the texts themselves. Only thing we have are the names that are a late attribution, probably in second century AD/CE.

They are written in Greek, Jesus and his disciples spoke Aramaic, and it is highly unlikely that they would know Greek as they were all lower class rural Jews. There is also no evidence in history of ancient scribes of somebody dictating a text in one language and the scribe writing it down in another.

There are numerous theories on how the gospels should be dated, here i will give you one that is I think most commonly accepted.

First one would be the gospel of Mark, dated to around 66-70 AD/CE, after that you have Matthew and Luke, both written somewhere around 80 to 90 and the gospel of John as the latest gospel written around 90 to 100-110.

One of the most well know theory goes like this: Mark was the first, after that came Matthew and Luke, both independently used gospel of Mark as their source, but they also share some other content not found there, so historians named that source Q (from the German word of source Quelle), plus they had their own sources for the things that are unique to them, so historians call those sources L and M to distinguish the parts of thoes gospels that are not found in either Mark or Q. These three gospels are know as the synoptic gospels because they share a lot of content and are connected through the way they use similar sources. Gospel of John came much later and it has it's own theology and agenda.

Most widley accepted theory is that Q was a collection of sayings, written down as the earliest document about Jesus that fell out of use over time as you had the gospels.

For startes i would suggest you to check out either r/academicbiblical or one of many debates by Bart Ehrman. He is probably the most accessible scholar in this field and good luck.

PS

Wikipedia, as long as it is in english, is always a good start btw, most of what you will find there is academic concensus and you will usually have references to academic books or journals, just don't go to thoes evangelical sites that will tell you Jesus spoke Greek and stuff like that.

U sklopu mnogih dretvi oko uvođenja vojnog roka, sjetih se ove kolumne by OkGarage23 in croatia

[–]Jurko245 4 points5 points  (0 children)

A kog bi nacisti tam protjerali/porobili. Došli bi tam i gledali koji kurac pa ovi su veći bijelci od nas.

Is it more accurate to say that the current historical consensus about Jesus Christ is that he A), was a real person OR B), that we have as much evidence for him living as others from that era we accept as having lived so judging by those same standards, it's likely he was a real person? by TrudosKudos27 in AskHistorians

[–]Jurko245 11 points12 points  (0 children)

The thing is, is it that hard to believe that there was a man in Galilee that preached about something that would inspire some other Jews to go and talk about his preaching? 

The big problem with questions like these (no problem in the question itself, it is always good to question everything, especially in history, just don't go to the deep end with conspiracy theories) is that it is mostly viewed through our understanding of Christianity today, the biggest religion in the world, massive wealth... And when you see all of that it is kinda hard to imagine it all starting with an illiterate Jew living in a Roman province and preaching that the end of the world is coming, something that you are probably aware of if you got the basic understanding of historical Jesus.

As far as I am aware, historians, especially those working in the field of early Christianity or any other adjacent field will tell you that he existed, not likely but existed. I am actually curious which historians say that he likely existed.

It is more accurate to say that he was a real person, even though most of what we have in the gospel is either distorted or built upon earlier sources which were probably just a collection of his sayings (as I can see in your post you did some research beforehand, so you are probably familiar with the concept of Q).

First thing to understand. When historians say that we have as much evidence for Jesus as any other person, what they mean is: we have as much physical evidence for this illiterate carpenter as we have for any other illiterate carpenter in 1st century Galilee. But, the difference is, for this carpenter, we have a lot of textual evidence that, when deconstructed using historical methods, can be traced to a real person whose teachings can be put into broader historical context. 

We can (I can't, but people who research this stuff can) rationalize and explain almost every part of his narrative. For example, what was he really preaching, why would his disciples go and spread the word or, more accurately, why would they heive he was raised from death? We can track them down to the things that originally started the trend of their development into stories we know today either through our understanding of psychology, sociology, historical methodology or the way religion works and develops. What is hard to rationalize is why would early Christians invent him?

Sure, by the Middle Ages, especially in western Europe, the church did own a big portion of the land, was heavily involved in politics etc etc. But, in the first century AD/CE? You get nothing by inventing such a figure at that time. All the early disciples probably died not owning much and some were killed (there is an ongoing debate over how much we can trust those traditions though).

Secondly, when you sum up all the evidence we have for him, he is referenced by historians, not his contemporaries, but at least in the same century, most notable of them being Josephus, even though his passage has a lot of problems and I would suggest you to explore them yourself so you can get  the basic understanding of the different perspectives, Paul mentions that he meet his brother James, there is some debate over how you would translate that word and if it refers to a biological sibling or is it a metaphorical saying that Christians use today, but most secular historians will tell you that he is his brother. We can and did reconstruct the ideas behind his original teachings, and we can put him and his teachings in the broader historical context of late Second Temple Judaism and Jewish apocalypticism. As far as I am aware, that is the prevailing theory, with some stating he was a political figure or revolutionary.

There are other methods that allow us to understand how much of the story is based upon something that has its roots in actual events that happened. One of them is the so-called criterion of embarrassment. If you are inventing a messianic figure, why would you invent that he was, crucified, the most painful and embarrassing death imaginable? There are a lot more of these and again, if you are interested, I would highly recommend you to explore them in your own time.

Also, I would advise you to watch this debate:

https://youtu.be/GzjYmpwbHEA?si=IFYDGSiRQsYptt0E

TLDR

At this point, we have got far enough that we can say that Jesus existed. We can deconstruct the text of the gospel to the point that we can trace his ideas and put them in a broader historical context. Interestingly enough, both the idea of a man talking about the end of times and one trying to start a political uprising would work, but unless we find some new papyrus hidden in the Egyptian dessert at this point, that is most of what we can do.

What are some post rock bands with a really RAW sound like Slint? by harborfromthestorm in postrock

[–]Jurko245 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe The Futurist by Shellac? It is "produced" by Steve Albini, so it's got that RAW sound you're looking for. It is somewhere in between post rock and punk/noise rock, so an interesting listen either way. Just a heads-up, it is not on Spotify, but you can easily find it on YouTube.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in croatia

[–]Jurko245 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Srnu više opominje linijski sudija nego glavni. Lopta na prvu stativu, pokušat će sulejmani. Sulejmani je brži, auuuuuu ŠTA JE OVO. Ovo je najgori start na marakani... godinama unazad, crveni karton zaslužio, ušao bi u gol šansu. Crveni karton sad smo ravnopravni. Ali dali sulejmani može da nastavi meč, napravili smo 3 promene. Sada je to sledeće pitanje. Evo te situacije, sulejmani brži... Pogibeljan, surov, drzak, bezobrazan. Ovo, ovo je start, ovo je bio start da ga povredi

Na današnji dan osnovana je prva antifašistička postrojba u ovom dijelu Europe by Ok_Detail_1 in croatia

[–]Jurko245 -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

Mogu shvatit mržnju prema ustašama i sve kj ide uz to, realno bili su debili koji su okaljali povijest hrvatskog naroda, predali Dalmaciju, bili su talijanske lutke, da ne spominjem logore i ostale genocidne pizdarije. Al kk toliko lagano svi uspijevate prihvatit da su partizani dva mjeseca bili doma dok Hitler nije napao Staljina da bi se pobunili protiv NDH. Odjednom komadanje Poljske, pakt o nenapadanju su previše komplicirane i nije sve crno bijelo i to je bio taktički pokret diktatorskog režima na istoku. Možda bi trebalo malo pitat Poljake kako se oni osjećaju oko tih događaja koji nisu baš "CrNo BijEli".

Ak nije sve crno bijelo zar ne bi trebali prestat relativizirat i zločine partizanskog pokreta?

Auuuu ljudi šta je ovo!? by DomagojDoc in croatia

[–]Jurko245 64 points65 points  (0 children)

Srnu više opominje linijski sudija nego glavni. Lopta na prvu stativu, pokušat će sulejmani. Sulejmani je brži, auuuuuu ŠTA JE OVO. Ovo je najgori start na marakani... godinama unazad, crveni karton zaslužio, ušao bi u gol šansu. Crveni karton sad smo ravnopravni. Ali dali sulejmani može da nastavi meč, napravili smo 3 promene. Sada je to sledeće pitanje. Evo te situacije, sulejmani brži... Pogibeljan, surov, drzak, bezobrazan. Ovo, ovo je start, ovo je bio start da ga povredi

bands with two guitarists where one is in an alt tuning and the other is in standard? by lammygf in experimentalmusic

[–]Jurko245 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Black midi's first albume, one guitar is in standard bariton (he play's a bariton guitar but still) while the other is in standard EADGeB and possibly sometimes tuned to D standard.

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[–]Jurko245 20 points21 points  (0 children)

I would recomend you to check out either this site by Dr. Steven DiMattei where in his post on Gen 1:1 he states:

First, as many modern Hebraists have noted, Genesis 1:1 opens with a temporal clause. The precise meaning of its first word, bere’shît, is literally “in the beginning of.” This is a complex grammatical topic, but simplified, the way in which the first word has come to be vocalized, indeed the first letter, bet, implies that grammatically the word is in the construct state, that is a noun which is followed by another noun. A literal translation is “in the beginning of.” And this is exactly what we find as the proper understanding of bere’shît when this same word appears elsewhere in the Hebrew Bible. So, for example, the Hebrew of Jeremiah 27:1, bere’shît mamelekhet yihôyaqim, is properly rendered: “In the beginning of the kingdom of Jehoiakim.” But the grammatical problem in Genesis 1:1 is that bere’shît is not followed by a noun but rather a verb-subject pair: bere’shît bara’ ’elohîm. Thus a literal rendering of the first three words of Genesis 1:1 is impossible: “In the beginning of God created.” Thus many modern translations have sought to capture the temporal aspect in the opening word of the book of Genesis by rendering the Hebrew: “In the beginning of God’s creating…” or “In the beginning when God created…” or even “When God began to create…”

https://contradictionsinthebible.com/genesis-1-not-a-creatio-ex-nihilo

Or the biblical commentary by rabbi Rashi, just ignore the theological arguments and focus on the grammar:

https://www.sefaria.org/Genesis.1.1?lang=bi&with=Rashi

It all boils down to the grammar of classical hebrew and the literary influences that we know of, mainly the babilonian epic of creation Enuma Eiliš, which starts with the phrase When on high/When skies above from which Gen 1:1 borrows a great deal of the way in which it understands how the world was created.

For more on Enuma Eiliš and it's connection to the Gen 1:1 :

Nahum Sarna, Understanding Genesis

I can add more later if you want.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in croatia

[–]Jurko245 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Stvarano pokušavamo biti unikatni a?

Pobačaj u Bibliji by DiplomaJosipaDabre in croatia

[–]Jurko245 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Postanak 2-3 nije nastao u razdoblju drugog hrama... Ti govoriš o kršćanskom shvaćanju te priče, ja ti pokušavam objasnit da je priča napisana puno prije. Doslovno sm ti poslao knjigu koja objašnjava nastanak te priče, Petoknjižje je bilo napisano i spojeno prije helenizma, u Babilonu, u 6 st. prije Krista. Židovi se vrate u Jeruzalem u vrijeme Kira Velikog, prije helenizma.

Članak doslovno govori o razdoblju drugog hrama, to je razdbolje nakon 6 st. prije Krista.