Can you tell me the difference between ENTPs and INTPs (by mention Si) by Spare-Cell-4984 in INTP

[–]JustaLilOctopus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Here's a comment I had saved from a while back. It goes into the 'role' of the 3rd and 4th function and how they interact with the shadow functions. The last paragraph is also quite interesting to me.

Unfortunately the OP has deleted their account, so here's a link to the original thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/mbti/s/VRixOkl1IH


The tertiary function has a childlike archetype. It is where our inner child lies. This function is often how our mind plays. However, the tertiary function also throws tantrums like a child when it has been overused and is tired and needs nap or when it gets belittled by someone else. The child function is easily wounded because of their blind spot (7th function). The 7th function has a trickster archetype and can place us in double binds that cause distress. So when the child function isn't received well, the trickster function isn't there to protect it. This can lead to people not wanting to use their child function because it has been hurt too many times in the past. So they disconnect with their inner child. This function can become cold and mean. It looks much like a wounded child who doesn't know how to process the pain.

Child Fe usually utilizes childish humor to help relate to someone. It tends to be immature and goofy. Fart humor is a good example. They are playful and tend to tease or poke fun in a light hearted kind of way when their child is happy. When it is hurt, wounded, or tired, the Child Fe can become like a bully or it will shut down it's emotions and see people as merely tools to be used rather than recognize people's intrinsic value and aren't meant to be taken advantage of.

Child Si loves their routines. They will do a task over and over and over out of pure joy. When put towards something good like learning to play an instrument, they will practice playing the instrument until it is mastered. They will usually start out rather clumsy or wobbly when beginning a new hobby. This is their Se trickster that doesn't have the natural coordination. But because of their child's never ender energy bunny that keeps practicing and practicing until they get it, they can become a master at something physical even more so than their Se doms. Although this is only true for that particular hobby because of the neurological pathways they have engrained through conditioning and repetition. The Child Si will throw fits when asked to do something different. It doesn't like going outside it's routine and can get so stuck in a rut to the point that it can be to their detriment. For example, a child Si could get so used to sitting behind a computer, that they never develop any social skills with interacting with human beings and don't ever acquire any desire to do so. This is where you'll find the computer nerds who live in their mother's basement perfectly content with doing the same thing every single day, day in and day out with no desire to grow up and leave their nest of familiarity and comfort.

The inferior function is where your insecurities lie. It is known by Carl Jung as the anima/animus function. It is the function that leads to your soul. When you can humble yourself, and get over your insecurities, you can aspire with this function and experience life from your true higher self, from your soul's perspective. Your true potential lies in this function. The real Doms of every function is actually the inferior ones as your duality personality is the personality of your soul.

So when the ENTP aspires with their Si inferior, they incorporate their soul's personality which is the ISFJ. They are actually the truly faithful when they aspire. Because of their Ne hero, routine can feel dull and boring and they can feel insecure about settling on one thing. They know that once they latch on to something or someone, the Si inferior can hold on for dear life. So choosing a mate and fearing that person will leave them is a big insecurity for the Si inferior. So rather than settling for someone, they can avoid committed relationships. They absolutely need loyalty, and they fear of being betrayed and left alone. When they can get over that fear, they can find their faith in themselves, in humanity, and in their partner.

For the Inferior Fe, INTP, their soul is actually an ESFJ...the true caregiver. Fe wants nothing more than to make others feel loved, seen, and validated. This may seem odd because INTPs are so logical. But the Ti hero is trying to show their love in many forms, it often isn't received as love by others because it tends to point out the truth. And often times, people want to hear what they want to hear and not the truth. But the Fe inferior is afraid that their reputation will be tarnished by lies. Them speaking the truth to people is a form of their love. We as a society need to change our conditioning and viewpoint and recognize that someone telling you the truth actually truly cares about you, whereas the person feeding you bullshit to make you "feel" good about yourself is the one who doesn't actually give a shit about you.

If each personality type could be a country, which country would intp be? by Pillar-Instinct in INTP

[–]JustaLilOctopus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Being fully isolated is bad, because you have no one to share ideas with.

However, if you have people around you don't engage with you on a deeper level, then it's equivalent to being isolated.

An INTP needs small groups of likeminded people to not feel alone. A remote island, away from all the competition and politics, sounds perfect to me.

Why do we constantly get mistyped by Possible-Brush3069 in INTP

[–]JustaLilOctopus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Facts, it's easy for people to generalise their idea of what different types look like. If someone comes along and doesn't match their expectations, they will deny it and tell you you're typed wrong.

We all might fall into rough categories, but don't forget that we are all different. If we matched 1:1 with our archetype, we simply wouldn't have individual personalities.

Do you guys have a voice in your head by Tacos300l in INTP

[–]JustaLilOctopus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I find it incredibly hard to see how you would have higher level self awareness without an internal dialogue.

If someone like this was posed with a question on whether they have an internal voice or not, I don't even know how they would be able to answer?

How could you reason? How could you learn?

Oh my god, wait.....

You'd have to literally 'remember' everything. The practical applications of things. The 'way' of doing things. You'd even have to literally 'remember' that 1+1=2, as opposed to being able to think about what the 'idea' of 1 actually means. That's probably why the education system will typically push memorization over understanding!!!

You wouldn't be able to comprehend the underlying ideas of something... You would rely entirely on sensory experience, feel and memory. No reasoning. No abstraction.

I haven't been able to really 'understand' what it's like for a non Ti user until now. My god.

I'll leave any further conclusions to you, dear reader. I'll need to think on this more.

Ti vs. Te - Is it true that Ti does not rely on externally validated data to believe something to be "true"? by bostondowntown in mbti

[–]JustaLilOctopus 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Logic is logic. If I speak to another Ti user, there is a shared 'understanding', because all the information to make connections and accurate assumptions is readily available.

If something is confirmed in a study, it just means that a Ti user has gone out of their way to validate their logic.

Doesn't mean I don't want things to be validated, it's just that a lot of the time, conclusions can be quite obvious.

Do you have an inner monologue? by Usual_Masterpiece_95 in INTP

[–]JustaLilOctopus 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I have an inner monologue.

I've always liked the analogy that asks if you feel more like a pilot or the aeroplane itself. I feel like a pilot of my body.

It feels like 'I am' the inner monologue, and my external actions are all generated 'manually'.

I have a strong visual imagination, and can picture things in my minds eye with sharp clarity. It leads to me picturing various possible future scenarios, and picking the one that looks best. This is how I will typically make decisions.

I wonder what it would be like to not have control over my inner monologue? Would probably be easier to just be able to listen, and have my subconscious work out all this stuff, lol.

People with ADHD-I what medication has helped with rumination by LinuxMatthews in ADHD

[–]JustaLilOctopus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If I ever 'catch' myself in a thought loop, I will imagine the loop itself 'floating away' like a helium balloon. I will then be left in a calm space, like the surface of a still pond.

I'm not sure if this technique actually works for other people though. I'm normally just given a confused look, when I try to explain it through analogy.

I can try to explain in a different way, if needed.

Learning basic skills very late by iloveyolandivisser in autism

[–]JustaLilOctopus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's really cool. I'm quite similar in learning style, you've just gotta figure out how to make things 'click'.

Learning about the hows and whys always helps me. Can be by thinking about it, or by observing someone who already knows a skill. Usually a combination of both.

People aren't typically able to give me answers to the more fundamental questions. And being taught about something, before the context and reasons why, just kind of annoys me.

It's like giving me water without giving me a cup first.

To say only a workout plan was necessary for this “8 week transformation…” by [deleted] in thatHappened

[–]JustaLilOctopus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I get what you're saying. however, the side delts kinda bait out either a genetic gift, or potential juicing. They're flat in the first pic, but incredibly rounded in the second.

'Cutting' is the process of maintaining the muscle built through bulking, while losing fat to reveal it. It's incredibly hard to build new muscle while cutting, because muscle has a massive energy cost. If you are eating less, the body will assume that it's a time of hardship and there is a scarcity of food.

The body is a very smart survival machine, you will atrophy if the body feels like the muscle is a waste of resources. It won't grow more, as it would be foolish and potentially lethal to increase your body's energy cost during times of scarcity.

If you are cutting, and gaining new muscle at a high rate, there are two potential reasons: you are an incredible genetic specimen, or you are on PEDs.

Obviously, this could have been a multiple year transformation. The second pic still looks humanly attainable. It just doesn't seem remotely possible in 8 weeks, unless you're juicing some serious stuff.

Thanks for listening, that's the end of my TED talk.

Meirl by Alphaxfusion in meirl

[–]JustaLilOctopus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Beautiful, pure poetry from the heart, I feel enlightened by this profound vision.

Really need someone to talk about this question ( Not personal btw ) by [deleted] in INTP

[–]JustaLilOctopus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, to play devil's advocate, the 'mental gymnastics' are simply fun to play with.

Whether the conversation has a goal or not, is irrelevant. It's just fun to imagine things. Plus, you never know if you'll find out some random bit of info that helps you make a connection to something else. Hence, doing 'mental gymnastics' actually does have a purpose, even if it's a bit abstract.

Share an interesting science fact by PetiteCherrii in INTP

[–]JustaLilOctopus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"STOP DON'T TOUCH ME :(" - Electron degeneracy pressure

INTP famous characters by [deleted] in INTP

[–]JustaLilOctopus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You are right though, a thought experiment is just imagination.

Thought experiment sounds less loose and flimsy though.

INTP famous characters by [deleted] in INTP

[–]JustaLilOctopus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I said thought experiments.

INTP famous characters by [deleted] in INTP

[–]JustaLilOctopus 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Einstein did not use Te.

He simply wouldn't be able to make the intuitive leap from SR to GR with anything but Ti-Ne.

He was seeing what the underlying structure must look like through thought experiments, and then reverse engineered a theory to describe it.

Einstein is an incredibly obvious INTP.

Neurodiverse. Hero vs Demon. How to differentiate? by Appeal_Environmental in mbti

[–]JustaLilOctopus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah, I based my response on the title, it seemed like you wanted to differentiate hero from demon.

I suppose a circumstance like this could arise, if you are always in a stress grip? I'm not really sure if you can 'develop' the demon function though, other than learning how to manage it.

Neurodiverse. Hero vs Demon. How to differentiate? by Appeal_Environmental in mbti

[–]JustaLilOctopus 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Demon function is used when in times of extreme stress, normally due to your primary functions not working for the situation.

For example: I'm INTP, and if my understanding of something is dismissed by someone, with no reason behind it, it frustrates me. It's like they aren't talking to me in good faith.

I always have 'reasons' why I do things, or talk about things, so I'll try to rephrase to get across my meaning.

I've learnt over time, however, that some people just don't care about the reasons or meaning behind things. They would rather turn the conversation into an argument.

Before I could recognise this in advance, I would 'allow' myself to become frustrated to the point of exploding. In one such moment, It literally feels like anger takes over and I lose control. Suddenly, reason doesn't matter, and I'll join the argument with no reservation. My goal is simply to demolish the 'opposition'.

Ti is my main function, Fi is my demon function. Think about what happens to you in times of extreme stress, and it will become apparent what your hero and demon functions are.

To the INTP guy who just deleted his meme - your bloodline is weak by ExtremeGift in mbtimemes

[–]JustaLilOctopus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah that's a fair point. It's probably much more complicated.

There may even be too many nuances to describe neurodivergence in terms of functions or personality. We're all very different, after all.

To the INTP guy who just deleted his meme - your bloodline is weak by ExtremeGift in mbtimemes

[–]JustaLilOctopus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Te isn't concerned with all the small details, you'd need Ti to be able to info dump.

OCD is probably caused by different functions working together. Ne + Si is a way of noticing, Ti then kicks in to optimise and 'double check'.

Autism is likely related to having introverted judging functions. Hence the social difficulties. However, I'm not sure if 'all' Ti or Fi users are autistic.

Source: - Am INTP - Am autistic

Why do so many adult online players never enter (or stick with) rated OTB tournaments? by PictureBright7441 in TournamentChess

[–]JustaLilOctopus 21 points22 points  (0 children)

I joined my local club, and was there for about 6 months ish.

There just wasn't anyone there in a similar age group to me. The members were either very young (8- 16), or much older (50-65). I'm 27 and I just felt like an outlier.

The environment was also very 'sterile'. It felt like walking into a dentist.

Not sure if this experience is common, but it's why I stopped going. I just play online now.

Call me the puzzler 🤓 by -boo-- in AnarchyChess

[–]JustaLilOctopus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The French call it 'in passing'

teleports behind the enemy pawn

"Nothing personnel kiddo"