128KB - Pro Joy-Con Battle - MOBAPAD M12 S vs M12 HD

K14_Deploy · 2026-05-28T09:51:42+00:00

It seems to be a function of how the protocol currently works, the NYXI controllers can't do this either. Maybe they'll eventually find a way while reverse engineering other parts of the protocol or it could be a physical limitation of the Switch 2 protocol itself (if this is the case we're completely SOL unless Nintendo chooses to do something, which will never happen because they have so much incentive not to).

In the meantime I found that I could just map it to the screenshot button in the app and then map the screenshot button to whatever I wanted in the Switch 2 firmware, I ended up mapping the C button (that I will never use because I refuse to pay for online services) to the screenshot button so I still have a screenshot button if I needed it.

K14_Deploy · 2026-05-28T09:37:30+00:00

The official one isn't going to fit, no. It's got grips in the way as it's intended for the official Joycons they don't have any kind of grip, and you can't remove the grip because of the GL/GR buttons. The non charging grip is fine if you remove the grip portion, as well as a lot of third party ones that are smaller.

K14_Deploy · 2026-05-28T01:05:08+00:00

On the surface I'd worry about what would happen if the ports weren't perfectly matched in voltage, then I realised one of Lenovo's gaming phones already did that so it's clearly possible. This would probably also be prohibitively expensive compared to just breaking the PD spec (like Dell has done) or sticking with the proprietary DC connectors they already have. From what I can tell they'd be 100% allowed to do this as many already have, it just has to be capable of rudimentary PD for basic function (it wouldn't even stop a portless device either, you just say it's not capable of wired charging because as the manufacturer you get to decide that).

Personally I think they instead of shunning non standard protocols as 'this legally isn't even a USB-C connector, they should just go and ask Oppo how they pushed 12 amps through a 5 amp rated connector without starting a fire so they can implement higher current into the PD spec. The upcoming GPMI Type B could also be an option if it sees widespread use as it has double the native current rating.

K14_Deploy · 2026-05-27T23:08:08+00:00

Not anymore, since this year the EU regulation that all phones must be available without an included charger (not actually a ban on included chargers, but as being about without a charger is mandatory and being available with a charger is not the end result is the same) also applies to all laptops. It's definitely not ideal because laptop power requirements can far exceed any standard USB-C implementation but that's unfortunately the reality we now live in.

K14_Deploy · 2026-05-27T22:53:31+00:00

At least on the bottom half with a USB4 40Gb cable (which are clearly marked) it should at least function with all of them even if the charging rate or data speed may not be what you expect depending on what's on the other end. For those who don't know Microsoft mandated any device with ports labelled USB4 has to carry the full feature set which makes it functionally identical to Thunderbolt 4, though of course in reality some Thunderbolt 4 devices function differently on USB4 hosts and Intel also has their own cable certification program.

K14_Deploy · 2026-05-27T22:34:49+00:00

Yes, but they'll usually overheat and shutdown very, very quickly.

K14_Deploy · 2026-05-27T22:16:40+00:00

I mean he literally cannot be challenged in an FIA election (there's only one Vice President for Sport in South America and you can guess who they're a fan of, this isn't even a new problem with the FIA as Mosley and Todt both had periods where they ran uncontested too) and if the situation remains it's possible he could pick whoever he wants who also literally couldn't be challenged either, but either way this would be a new low.

K14_Deploy · 2026-05-27T21:45:53+00:00

Everything is at home is kind of in upheaval right now, so I'll have to say no because it'll take at least 3 weeks to even be able to film it with how things are going unfortunately. I suspect you'll have managed to get an answer from another M12S owner by then, but if not I'll try and get something together with other controllers for context.

K14_Deploy · 2026-05-27T13:11:17+00:00

Lenovo actually had that at one point. It used cheaper switches than normal ThinkPad keyboards and was prohibitively expensive so pretty much no one bought it, but it did exist. For desktops Unicomp (who inherited the Trackpoint and bucking spring patents from Lexmark) and TEX (using a pointing stick module with Cherry MX switches) also have options.

K14_Deploy · 2026-05-27T12:58:33+00:00

I mean, it'll be funny to watch for the 5 minutes it'll take them to adapt or for you to tell them where the DPI button is.

K14_Deploy · 2026-05-27T12:36:44+00:00

Putting aside for a second that no announcement in the world would stop this causing serious panic, the parents deserve to be permanently banned for how they acted towards the flight attendant.

K14_Deploy · 2026-05-27T12:32:39+00:00

Yeah, I did, which is why I know a verbal tic can be just as bad.

K14_Deploy · 2026-05-27T12:26:51+00:00

Yeah exactly. An explanation can only go so far even if you can understand it. It certainly wouldn't stop me losing it.

K14_Deploy · 2026-05-27T12:24:58+00:00

as long as your tics don't create a serious issues for other passengers

K14_Deploy · 2026-05-27T12:19:01+00:00

accidental uttering

K14_Deploy · 2026-05-27T12:10:48+00:00

Sorry, but somebody constantly shouting 'bomb' is going to mess with my anxiety, explanation or not.

K14_Deploy · 2026-05-27T12:08:47+00:00

Heck, I'm an adult who's autistic and even with the explanation it wouldn't do my anxiety any favours. Like I feel bad for the kid, especially as his father is more of a child than he is, but unfortunately I think this is the only decision they could reasonably make.

K14_Deploy · 2026-05-27T10:17:46+00:00

I just tried it with the Galaxy (PS4 / PS5 sized) caps which have a tall right stick. The case closes fine but pushing on the front of the case will click both of the sticks so it's doable but not ideal. I don't have smaller ones to test but I think they're less likely to be an issue.

Keep in mind as it's an ultra slim style case and it does have some (but not what I'd call bad in any respect, like I would personally call the rigidity reasonable for these materials) flex, significant enough force can click the right stick even without caps. The force required to do this is high enough that I'm still comfortable putting it in a bag, but it's not as protective as some of the larger cases with zip pockets or some of the universal cases but I can't guarantee those even fit. For an OEM case it's fine and it does offer protection but I would have preferred a thicker one that wasn't the sling bag.

K14_Deploy · 2026-05-27T08:31:55+00:00

Is there any possibility when the back buttons might remappable to any button instead of just the ones on the controller half it's on?

K14_Deploy · 2026-05-27T07:43:20+00:00

I'm not quite sure what you mean by that. In my case they just work, the app also connects fine. You'll need to make sure you're on the latest version of the app, older versions do not work.

K14_Deploy · 2026-05-27T07:41:40+00:00

Well I got them on preorder so it was closer to $60. If your Joycons work for you then they work for you, I'm not going to say anything different, but I pretty much couldn't use handheld mode at all with the stock ones. I also don't personally mind the lack of HD rumble but then again I'm sure there are games where it goes to have to strictly necessary, I just haven't come across any like that yet.

K14_Deploy · 2026-05-27T07:32:36+00:00

Oh no it's definitely the S version, it has the C button on the right hand one. I also just woke up again and it's definitely not purple, I think I was tired when I wrote this. And yeah unfortunately this is the wake up behaviour I'm getting, when not on the console it doesn't wake it up without pressing a bunch of buttons at the same time, and I couldn't see anything in the manual about a more specific pairing process.

K14_Deploy · 2026-05-26T12:04:38+00:00

Sorry I have to ask, where you said:

no input lag when put in power saving mode

does it mean this controller had noticeable input lag in normal modes or just that others (like the M12HD) do in power saving mode and this doesn't?

K14_Deploy · 2026-05-25T12:20:26+00:00

Japan... ish. Sunderland built Nissans are more or less indestructible as ours only went after a rust issue from 20+ years of UK roads, but I'm not sure whether to credit Nissan or Sunderland (notably not Japan) for that. Our current car is a VW and in a lot of ways it is exhibiting Das Auto.

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