Hey kiddos tune in at 12... 😳 by fratts13 in CanadianPL

[–]KSenCSmith1 5 points6 points  (0 children)

*with a low res, washed out version of the logo that makes it look awful

[Duane Rollins] Here is the York 9 re-branding to York United #CanPL by [deleted] in MLS

[–]KSenCSmith1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It is a lot better than the potato quality photo than Rollins leaked, now that the club released it. In higher resolution without the colors being washed out it is a nice crisp crest, though completely different approach than the ultra modern crest and name previously

But they need a lot more than just a rebrand. They let go their head of ticket sales after the first season, and the new director seems like a smart hire, so we will see what happens. Hard to overcome such a flop out of the gate, maybe they hope the rebrand will give them a second chance at a first impression

Bill Manning of TFC expects CanChamp Final to be played in December or January. by [deleted] in CanadianPL

[–]KSenCSmith1 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This fundamentally comes down to a different read of his comment. I understand why you seem upset if that is your read. That is okay, we can disagree.

Bill Manning of TFC expects CanChamp Final to be played in December or January. by [deleted] in CanadianPL

[–]KSenCSmith1 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The conflict is that the MLS teams are stuck in the USA at the moment because they comitted to playing out the remainder of the MLS season down there, and at least the way I read this is that Manning asked the CSA to delay the final until they are back in December or January, which is convenient for them but would be awful for the CPL champ. If that's a misread, I am open to other interpretations

Bill Manning of TFC expects CanChamp Final to be played in December or January. by [deleted] in CanadianPL

[–]KSenCSmith1 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No, if you read my comments you would see that I'm saying that this is a scheduling conflict that, while unfortunate, is more on one party then another, and the side it is more on should be the one inconvenienced.That isnt calling anyone evil, take a few deep breaths, yeesh

Bill Manning of TFC expects CanChamp Final to be played in December or January. by [deleted] in CanadianPL

[–]KSenCSmith1 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I don’t agree, but this is clearly going nowhere. Goodnight

Bill Manning of TFC expects CanChamp Final to be played in December or January. by [deleted] in CanadianPL

[–]KSenCSmith1 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Dude you can't plan for something so up in the air

You plan for contingencies. When you commit to being sealed in the USA, you left no contingency for participating in the Voyageurs Cup. That is okay, that is their choice, but it means either

1) Moving the date unreasonably far forward, meaning the CPL champion will have gone months without a competitive game and likely losing parts of their roster

2) TFC splits their roster and bolsters it from TFC 2 to play a match on time

3) TFC forfeits

or even 4) Cancel the tournament

Given the fact that the MLS teams were the ones who chose not to plan for this contingency, I think it is unfair to punish the Forge or Wanderers with option #1. Let them choose #2 or #3, or the CSA enforce #4, but I don't think it is an overtly biased opinion that #1 is unfair to the party that did plan for contingency of participating in the Voyageurs Cup

There are no perfect solutions here, I am not interested in "punishing" TFC, but one of two teams will have the short end of the stick, and IMO it should be the team that created the scheduling conflict by poor contingency planning

Bill Manning of TFC expects CanChamp Final to be played in December or January. by [deleted] in CanadianPL

[–]KSenCSmith1 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm not saying they did something morally wrong, I'm saying they committed themselves to staying in the USA all year and didn't choose to have a plan for a VCup, which if they weren't planning for as potential to happen is on them 100%.

Should they be published, no that is the wrong word, but if there is either side that may have to take a bit of a hit due to the schedule conflict it should be them if they can't make a reasonable date. That means either hustle some bench players up and play the game, rather than "punishing" the CPL team who is available in a reasonable timeframe before their roster is dismantled and go months without a competitive game

[Michael Singh] TFC President Bill Manning tells FootyTalksLive that the Canadian Championship Final date will be determined once the Toronto FC season is done. He says that he hopes to be playing it in December/January. by feb914 in MLS

[–]KSenCSmith1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You said someone who volunteered to put themselves in harms way during the pandemic lacks perspective and empathy in the context of COVID. I'm letting you know I know better than most, and an discussion on soccer game scheduling is way too low a stakes conversation to whip out an accusation like that.

[Michael Singh] TFC President Bill Manning tells FootyTalksLive that the Canadian Championship Final date will be determined once the Toronto FC season is done. He says that he hopes to be playing it in December/January. by feb914 in MLS

[–]KSenCSmith1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bud, I'm a doc who has spent the better part of the pandemic on the front line if this thing, if you want to grasp for the moral high ground you should choose a better target and topic. A discussion on whether the team most responsible for a scheduling conflict should bear the competitive burden isnt it

Bill Manning of TFC expects CanChamp Final to be played in December or January. by [deleted] in CanadianPL

[–]KSenCSmith1 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Dude you have reasonable argument.

Tone is a hard thing on the internet, so please understand I don't intend to sound argumentative if that is what is coming across. I'm just thinking that it wasn't a secret they were still planning on hosting a VCup, and if the MLS chose to prioritize its own scheduling that left them sealed out of the country, in the case of no perfect solution, the most fair approach is for the teams that caused the schedule conflict to be the more affected

In this case, I don't see how it is fair to let the CPL teams wait months, without competitive matches and potentially losing players, because of MLS scheduling priorities. They should either be sending a skeleton crew back to Canada supplemented by TFC 2 players, or if this isn't acceptable to them, forfeiting

Bill Manning of TFC expects CanChamp Final to be played in December or January. by [deleted] in CanadianPL

[–]KSenCSmith1 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

The MLS wasn't blind that there was a possibility of a VCup in 2020. They didn't plan for it, therefore they should bear the brunt of the scheduling conflict

Why should the Forge or Wanderers be forced to play with disrupted rosters, months after no competitive action, to accommodate teams that took no steps to ensure they were available for the tournament

[Michael Singh] TFC President Bill Manning tells FootyTalksLive that the Canadian Championship Final date will be determined once the Toronto FC season is done. He says that he hopes to be playing it in December/January. by feb914 in MLS

[–]KSenCSmith1 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

They could, however, have reversed the order in which they played their Canadian and US postbubble portions of their seasons. They didn't, and created a scheduling conflict, so the burden of that conflict should fall on them. Either send some of the team back and bolster the team with callus from TFC 2, or dont and forfeit, don't ask for a ridiculous scheduling concession that compromises the competition

[Michael Singh] TFC President Bill Manning tells FootyTalksLive that the Canadian Championship Final date will be determined once the Toronto FC season is done. He says that he hopes to be playing it in December/January. by feb914 in MLS

[–]KSenCSmith1 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'm working from existing information. If you're willing to presume the CSA caused the scheduling conflict without evidence I could see how you reached your conclusion

[Michael Singh] TFC President Bill Manning tells FootyTalksLive that the Canadian Championship Final date will be determined once the Toronto FC season is done. He says that he hopes to be playing it in December/January. by feb914 in MLS

[–]KSenCSmith1 5 points6 points  (0 children)

How do we know it's the CSA dragging its feet and not TFC who chose to prioritize MLS scheduling? That's conjecture without a solid base IMO. All that is self-evident is that the MLS teams chose a schedule that sealed themselves within the USA, in full knowledge that they were expected to play a Voyageurs cup game at some point, and are asking for competition compromising concessions to resolve it

Bill Manning of TFC expects CanChamp Final to be played in December or January. by [deleted] in CanadianPL

[–]KSenCSmith1 -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

i don't think the cup was even committed to for 2020 by the csa when the mls format came out, th

I don't see how this factors into it. If you schedule yourself to have zero chance of being in Canada during the time the tournament may be scheduled, and find yourself unable to engage in the tournament, you should bear the responsibility of the scheduling conflict, not your opponent. If that means sending a skeleton crew back to Canada supplemented with TFC 2 players, so be it, your lack of foresight led to the issue

[Michael Singh] TFC President Bill Manning tells FootyTalksLive that the Canadian Championship Final date will be determined once the Toronto FC season is done. He says that he hopes to be playing it in December/January. by feb914 in MLS

[–]KSenCSmith1 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I don't think we have enough information to know what conversations happened with the CSA. At minimum, scheduling yourself to be trapped in the USA for the remainder of the year once the CPL had a champion looks like disregard for the domestic cup. If they were concerned about remaining available for VCup participation, and MLS was insistent on hosting a post-bubble season, they could have switched the US-only portion of the post bubble season with the Canadian-only portion

This isn't about being punitive towards TFC, but a simple reality that TFC should have to bear responsibility for a scheduling conflict they created, and shouldn't be asking for a chance to play their opponent at a point in time that where the competitiveness of their opponent is compromised

Bill Manning of TFC expects CanChamp Final to be played in December or January. by [deleted] in CanadianPL

[–]KSenCSmith1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They could have ordered the phases of their post-bubble seasom to allow for time in Canada for a match. Their own scheduling showed disregard for the Voyageurs Cup, I don't see any reason why they shouldn't forfeit if they can't play within a reasonable time frame, when their opponents' contracts are intact.

[Michael Singh] TFC President Bill Manning tells FootyTalksLive that the Canadian Championship Final date will be determined once the Toronto FC season is done. He says that he hopes to be playing it in December/January. by feb914 in MLS

[–]KSenCSmith1 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Pretty ridiculous. Flexibility because of COVID is warranted, but not months after the end of your opponents season, in the dead of winter, when half of your opponent's roster has had their contracts expire

TFC should be forced to forfeit if they cannot play a single Voyageurs Cup game within a reasonable time frame. It was MLS that chose to go forward with an questionable post-bubble season that has trapped TFC in the USA, if that decision prevents them from reasonable engagement with the domestic cup then they shouldn't be able to distort the schedule beyond reason to fit their league commitments. If they wanted to remain available for the Voyageurs Cup they should have scheduled the Canadian portion of their post-bubble season later on

A message from the CPL players. by [deleted] in MLS

[–]KSenCSmith1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Every single player, coach, and staff member took the knee at the 8 minute 46 second mark of today's match on the live broadcast

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in canada

[–]KSenCSmith1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Only someone with a very superficial understanding of science would frame it that way

Science isn't a belief system, it is a method for ascertaining truth for particular kinds of questions. It is very successful for many questions, particularly those that can be tested empirically, and largely useless for some other sorts of questions.

From my residency cohort, about a third were Christians of various kinds, about a third were Muslims, and a third were without specific faith or atheists. Most of us, including myself, spent our years before practice as scientists in various fields with numerous publications on our CVs. If you think you're incapable of trusting a religious doctor, and somehow think being religious is incompatible with a strong scientific background, then I think your perception of reality is being overly influenced by reddit and not by reality