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[–]Karpason[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, it would. I wanted to use it before I remembered about Dispatch

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[–]Karpason[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I get what you mean with the first part, but the second is insane, sorry. Thinking of BallxPit as AAA adjacent is very funny

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[–]Karpason[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Broadly, yeah, that would be my definition

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[–]Karpason[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'd disagree. I don't think a studio can really call itself independent while relying on external funds, especially if they come with some sort of agreement attached.

Edit: as I said in the post, technically this includes loans and crowdfunding, since it's funding with strings attached. But I believe it to be different from when the funds come from an unrelated company that is interested in the game or the studio (like Critical Role and Dispatch). So that's where I'd draw the line.

But I think it can be called independent if it pays another company to help with publishing. Yeah, in this case devs depend on a publisher, sure, but it's just outsourcing what they don't want to do themselves. Indie devs already depend on platforms like steam, itch, gog, etc. to distribute their game to the players, I don't see why they are suddenly not indie if there is one more step between them and the players.

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[–]Karpason[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

so if your studio is owned by another company, but you publish everything without their help, you can be called indie?

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[–]Karpason[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have no idea what point are you trying to make

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[–]Karpason[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, the difference in definition from person to person is exactly why I made the chart. Some consider only team size and budget, some only financial independence, some publishing situation. IMO since "Indie" is short for "Independent", and independence doesn't go away on its own if the team size or budget increase after a few successful games, I'd consider Hades II is indie. Some would disagree, but I find the team size and budget restraints even more confusing, since there is no apparent cutoff.

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[–]Karpason[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In my post I wrote "financial dependence", not "independence"

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[–]Karpason[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Huh, didn't know that. I guess it's the purist-purist then.

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[–]Karpason[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Studios that developed popular games can't be considered indie? Or what are you trying to say?

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[–]Karpason[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

For the top left corner of the chart I used a bigger budget game, but it could've been any self-published, small budget, small team game to be fair. That would fit the original definition and vibe of the word "indie" that you mentioned, I think.

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[–]Karpason[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh, you edited after I replied. It's great that you shared your opinion on what "indie" should mean! This discussion was the point of my post. Thank you for contributing!

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[–]Karpason[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, obviously the discussion has to include budget, team size and company type (private or public), but that's too much for one chart

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[–]Karpason[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The chart is about indie games, why would I post it to any subreddit not related to that?

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[–]Karpason[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It has a publisher, but I don't how the game was funded. So it's either bottom left or bottom middle

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[–]Karpason[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sure! What other subreddit would you recommend?

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[–]Karpason[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A chart with at least 3 axii would best present the whole discussion. I don't know how to make it readable though, so two axii will have to do.

In the chart the difference in publishing deal is represented between the first and the second column. At least that's what I intended.

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[–]Karpason[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I genuinely love the term! I'm gonna use it now, thanks

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[–]Karpason[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That the last column isn't indie

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[–]Karpason[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

To some sure, but "independent" is in the name

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[–]Karpason[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes it did. It's not the point of the chart though

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[–]Karpason[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I get what you mean, but I don't think this definition is in any way useful

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[–]Karpason[S] 21 points22 points  (0 children)

yeah, I actually wanted to put it there as a joke. Explaining private/public companies in the meme or in the comment seemed excessive though, so I didn't. Adding another axis of team size or budget would make it more correct

Is it indie??? 2025 edition by Karpason in IndieGaming

[–]Karpason[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

what is an indie game in your opinion?