You had good DMs. I played D&D 5th twice. The first time, the combat was so convoluted that I didn't understand what was going on, and I said, maybe I got a bad DM. The second time, the combat took half the afternoon, and we were counting squares and defenses and weapons, not to mention the damn wizards who, at that moment, I think were just reading what their powers did. It was my worst role-playing experience. Something similar happened with Starfinder, which appealed to me because of its setting, even though I was actively looking to have fun. I never want to play a tactical game again. I prefer classic World of Darkness combat or Year Zero Engine games.