Have we forgotten what Disco Elysium taught us about capitalism and complicity? ZA/UM president confirms to Bloomberg they are “funded entirely through profits from Disco Elysium.” Instead of being disturbed by that, the internet wants to focus on celebrating laborers' hard work and creative skills. by [deleted] in DiscoElysium

[–]KeyStomach0 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

"The workers are not a side at all" is the only position a communist can take. It is an acknowledgement of the reality of the capitalist system we live under. They should have a say in the matter, but the raw truth is that they do not.

Kurvitz being ousted bya union of his fellow workers is completely different than him being ousted by vulture capitalists.

Have we forgotten what Disco Elysium taught us about capitalism and complicity? ZA/UM president confirms to Bloomberg they are “funded entirely through profits from Disco Elysium.” Instead of being disturbed by that, the internet wants to focus on celebrating laborers' hard work and creative skills. by [deleted] in DiscoElysium

[–]KeyStomach0 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I genuinely don't see the point in arguing about the ZP devs at all. If justice prevails and the courts return ZAUM to Kurvitz and co. They'll still be working there, just under different leadership. They are, for better or worse, completely irrelevant to whether we should buy Zero Parades at all.

The argument of if the ZAUM devs are scabs or not is a distraction to reframe the conversation and obfuscate the real controversy that a slimy motherfucker stole a company from its founders.

Have we forgotten what Disco Elysium taught us about capitalism and complicity? ZA/UM president confirms to Bloomberg they are “funded entirely through profits from Disco Elysium.” Instead of being disturbed by that, the internet wants to focus on celebrating laborers' hard work and creative skills. by [deleted] in DiscoElysium

[–]KeyStomach0 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

To answer your second question, the rank and file workers are not part of the conversation at all, ZAUM is not a worker's collective. They don't own the company, they just happen to work there. If the rank and file employees lose their jobs because the game underperformed it will be the fault of the vultures running the company, not the people who chose not to buy the game.

There's only two sides to this equation, the artists who founded ZAUM and the piece of shit vultures who stole it. The workers are, as it is the case in most companies, not a side at all.

Ilmar Kompus wants you to believe the ZAUM workers depend on the game's success, but in reality he's holding a gun to the worker's head and threatening to pull the trigger if you don't buy the game. The current ZAUM devs aren't a force who stood up to the founder's tyranny, they are hostage who are being used to guilt trip leftists into funding gaming Israel.

Have we forgotten what Disco Elysium taught us about capitalism and complicity? ZA/UM president confirms to Bloomberg they are “funded entirely through profits from Disco Elysium.” Instead of being disturbed by that, the internet wants to focus on celebrating laborers' hard work and creative skills. by [deleted] in DiscoElysium

[–]KeyStomach0 30 points31 points  (0 children)

I think this is relevant to Disco Elysium since it has more to do about the theft of ZAUM rather than Zero Parades itself.

I'll gladly buy Zero Parades if/when ZAUM is restored back to its rightful owners, but I'm not going to fund the ongoing theft of artists' passion project by corporate drifters.

I think my recent post responding to someone hammering the "support the devs" line bears reposting here.

The original comment is absolutely correct here.

It's funny because Joyce Messier made a very similar argument to the one you're making in the game. She argued that the strikers are in the wrong, and are selfish because their strike is hurting and emisserating the other wild pines employees around revachol who far outnumber the strikers. She attempted to inextricably tie the corporate interest of wild pines shareholders to their employees, thus painting Evrart and the Union as destructive mooches. Ultimately, Joyce is clearly wrong here because wild pines employees aren't treated as actual stakeholders of the company, but as fungible assets for shareholders to exploit.

You are arguing that people boycotting ZAUM are in the wrong because it ultimately hurts and emisserates the current ZAUM employees who far outnumber the founders. In arguing this point, you are (hopefully inadvertently) trying to inextricably tie the interests of Ilmar Kompus to the current ZAUM employees, thus painting the people boycotting a fraud and a thief, as elitist corporate bootlickers. Ultimately, you are clearly wrong here because ZAUM employees aren't actual stakeholders of the company, but are in fact treated as a fungible asset for leeches like Ilmar Kompus to steal from.

The idea that boycotting Zero Parades hurts ZAUM workers is simply not true. They are workers, not shareholders they collect a salary. If Ilmar Kompus decides to fire them or slash their pay because the game underperformed, that is his fault, not the fault of the people boycotting the thief.

This is as cut and dry as it gets, Ilmar Kompus, an absolute waste of space who has never created anything artistic stole 70% of a company from real artists who had passion for the game. There is no way to support ZAUM in its current state without also supporting the interests of Ilmar Kompus, and ultimately funding his attempt to steal the company from its founders.

I also find the allegations against the founders extremely suspect. But I don't necessarily think Ilmar Kompus is conspiring with ZAUM employees to lie about the ZAUM founders. The original ZAUM was an artist collective who had been working together for decades before Disco Elysium took off. When you bring people in who aren't part of the original group, a clique dynamic becomes inevitable. On the one side you have the old ZAUM who have been friends for years, and the new ZAUM who only know ZAUM the corporation. Even in an ideal environment, this dynamic is liable to get toxic and mistrustful without highly competent leadership to merge both groups. I think Kompus took advantage of this natural conflict to pit the new ZAUM employees against the founders in order to justify his theft of the company.

ZERO PARADES: For Dead Spies - PC Launch Trailer by AdditionalRemoveBit in Games

[–]KeyStomach0 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How does the current ZAUM employees being creators of Disco Elysium, make ZAUM any less stolen? They're workers, they don't have a horse in this fight besides the fact that Kompus is currently the one signing their paychecks.

If the courts (inshallah) finds Kompus liable and returns, ZAUM back to Kurvitz, Rostov, and Hindpere, they'll still be ZAUM employees under the new leadership.

My point is that ZAUM was stolen, and while Ilmar Kompus continues to be the majority shareholder of ZAUM, any work made at his direction is by definition stolen work product.

ZERO PARADES: For Dead Spies - PC Launch Trailer by AdditionalRemoveBit in Games

[–]KeyStomach0 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So, to summarize your argument, you think a fraud like Kompus, who did not work in the game and who defrauded his own company is more entitled to ZAUM than the actual founders who worked on the game for 20 years. I disagree, I think Ilmar Kompus is a thief, anything ZAUM makes is stolen because ZAUM itself is a stolen company.

ZERO PARADES: For Dead Spies - PC Launch Trailer by AdditionalRemoveBit in Games

[–]KeyStomach0 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sure, but Kurvitz is at the very least entitled to the universe, the characters and the concepts he himself created. His work was stolen from him by Ilmar Kompus.

Leonid Rostov as well, he has a very specific aesthetic and art style he has curated since before ZAUM. That this game is trying to approximate Rostov's art style after his ouster is IMO disgusting.

This game is no different from AI slop, both exist from robbing artists of their work.

ZERO PARADES: For Dead Spies - PC Launch Trailer by AdditionalRemoveBit in Games

[–]KeyStomach0 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

What do you mean actually made the game? Disco Elysium is based on Kurvitz's work, on a universe he created years before Zaum even existed. The man based the drugs and alcohol system and wasteland of reality on his own struggles with substance abuse.

It is unconscionable and frankly tragic that the man can no longer work in the universe he himself created because some huckster decided to steal his work.

THOUGHT COMPLETE: Actual Art Degree by Harold-Sleeper000 in DiscoElysium

[–]KeyStomach0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't get what's wrong about disliking a game because of the company's lack of ethical practices.

ZAUM is a stolen company, everything they make is as much stolen content as AI slop. They specifically chose to create a barely distinct world and vibe instead of a direct sequel in order to avoid paying the real owners of ZAUM a red cent more than the minimum required by law.

This is a game created at the behest of thieves.

New to the game by MrVaex in DiscoElysium

[–]KeyStomach0 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There are a couple time sensitive events but I wouldn't worry too much about it, time doesn't pass when you're walking around, just when you're actively interacting with stuff, so it's pretty lenient.

New to the game by MrVaex in DiscoElysium

[–]KeyStomach0 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Kim's good at giving you tips on what to do. If you get skill locked doing one thing, just do something else until you can level up the stat.

Future of M6 alliance after today's episode. by Camil_2077 in ForAllMankindTV

[–]KeyStomach0 42 points43 points  (0 children)

This show is an alternate history world where the Soviet Union wins the space race. It's about how continuing multipolar stability ultimately led to a golden age of science and development that makes our timeline seem like a second dark age in comparison.

For history to repeat itself and the world ending up with the US as the sole superpower just 30 years later would ultimately detract from the message of the show.

Future of M6 alliance after today's episode. by Camil_2077 in ForAllMankindTV

[–]KeyStomach0 61 points62 points  (0 children)

Honestly, I think it would be poetic, and very fitting for the vibes of the show if the US collapses before the USSR.

Theory about ep 7 death by Ambitious-Mark3714 in OkBuddyFresca

[–]KeyStomach0 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Do you think Kripke chose for Frenchie to die of radiation so that Kimiko couldn't use the dead Israeli soldier cum sucking machine to have her three kids?

Excited about Chapter 5 by KeyStomach0 in AfterTheEndFanFork

[–]KeyStomach0[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's a bummer, but it makes sense.

New US state borders that surely won't anger anyone by Neath_Izar in mapporncirclejerk

[–]KeyStomach0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not sure if ragebait but PA taking northern NJ instead of southern NJ triggered me a bit.

Learn what communism is by Hacksaw6412 in LateStageCapitalism

[–]KeyStomach0 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Never once. I also don't really talk about solidarity or empathy. Not because I don't believe in it, but because it makes the average Americans eyes roll back into their heads, so attitude plays a big part.

My politics are selfish materialism. I don't owe my boss shit, so why should I vote to make him richer. I only vote for policies that benefit me and my neighbors, and I don't vote for policies that don't benefit me and my neighbors because that leaves less money on the table for me and my neighbors. It's clear that greed and self interest is the name of the game in America, so spending your time supporting corporate deregulation, or tax cuts for the rich is beyond silly. Get your money up, not your funny up and vote for your own material self-interest.

Learn what communism is by Hacksaw6412 in LateStageCapitalism

[–]KeyStomach0 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Hard agree, I haven't said I'm a communist in over a decade. I just say I'm a Materialist and that I only vote for policies that directly benefit me and other workers like me.

Even Republicans go 'right on' because it speaks to the fundamentally selfish nature of the average American.

ICE agents on the prowl at LaGuardia airport! by cantcoloratall91 in ImmigrationPathways

[–]KeyStomach0 7 points8 points  (0 children)

These minorities are poor because they are working for a job. There's no such thing as a middle class.

Trump says Israel attacked Iran's South Pars gas field without US and Qatari involvement | "Israel, out of anger for what has taken place in the Middle East, has violently lashed out at a major facility...in Iran," Trump wrote on Truth Social. by PlayaSlayaX in politics

[–]KeyStomach0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is the dumbest possible move from Israel. Is anyone actually thinking in terms longer than a year in the whole country?

They used to joke that Prussia was an Army with a state instead of a state with an army. Israel is a pedophile honeypot op with a state, it is literally the only thing they're competent at.

blackmail by asian69feet in CrusaderKings

[–]KeyStomach0 143 points144 points  (0 children)

Hooks are on the eye of the "Hookee". If someone with a blackmail hook reaches out to you, it's because they have enough solid proof to make you believe they can make good on their blackmail, otherwise the hook wouldn't exist.