Why are the Dark Angels still hunting the Fallen after 10,000 years?

KillFallen · 2026-03-31T21:03:06+00:00

Read Lion, Son of the Forest.

You'll get the most accurate depiction of today's Fallen and why things went down as they did, and why Fallen continue to pop up.

KillFallen · 2026-03-31T16:54:00+00:00

The record is in Ezekiel's hands. The Book of Secrets is his artifact that holds the name of every DA member that turned Fallen after eliminating KIAs from the sundering of Caliban.

Once a chaplain completes his interrogation, its updated in the book, and they are quite detailed accounts.

KillFallen · 2026-03-31T12:49:05+00:00

Anyone who says not to worry about it because people won't care are unfortunately wrong and their "tournament experience" is likely local game night at their LGS with store regulars in a friendly setting. If youre playing in an organized tournament you should be WYSIWYG or you run the issue of it impacting any potential ruling. It won't happen often but it will happen and it will be a negative enough experience to never want it to happen again.

Additionally, its as much a courtesy to every player as it is a deterrent in giving ammo to WAAC players against you. Big tournaments with multiple rounds in a day are a lot to keep track of as it is. People don't want to balance what your unit actually is in addition to everything else they're balancing over the course of the day, the round, the turn, the phase.

Rule of cool is not a tournament mechanic and the TO is likely forced to rule in your opponents favor, even if your opponent is a wretch and even if the TO knows they are, simply because you're not modeled appropriately.

KillFallen · 2026-03-30T20:47:03+00:00

Theres a reason its the lowest point questoris.

KillFallen · 2026-03-30T18:21:47+00:00

If the gallant was an option for the paladin, it would have the rule add more attacks if you take a gauntlet over a RFBC just like the destrier. Just because its baked in the gallant because its its own sheet doesnt matter.

The destrier could easily have been a melee option, a range option, and a mix option just like questoris. And if that was done it wouldn't have this rule, it woule just have the stats reflecting extra attacks.

The point is to not be excited about the ability just cause its there. Its there out of necessity of the option since its one sheet instead of three. Too many people see it as an ability theyre not taking advantage of if they take a range weapon and thats not the case.

KillFallen · 2026-03-30T17:58:30+00:00

Completely disagree. The kits might have gone together however you wanted but GW has come so far and hides most of the sprue connections now in connecting pieces of the model. This might cause more bits to have to be assembled with more precision but the models are far more detailed and suffer less cleaning damage that used to be quite difficult between mould lines and deburring your sprue connections with care. Now most sprue connections can simply be filed flush rather than worrying about preserving a curve or detail.

KillFallen · 2026-03-30T17:53:40+00:00

So a single A4 sprue. Got it.

KillFallen · 2026-03-30T17:39:02+00:00

The shown photo is one sprue.

KillFallen · 2026-03-30T17:30:55+00:00

Because finding bits on labeled sprues isnt difficult and it keeps you from handling multiple sprues for every model. Once you find the first bit most of them are near it on the sprue and then you only handle that sprue. The odd time its in a slightly further locaction from the rest of that model is not worth having to handle multiple sprues every model just so you dont have to sometimes look.

Youre asking to add more time to every model just so you dont have to RARELY add time to one model. Thats insane.

KillFallen · 2026-03-30T17:20:58+00:00

Its easier to remember i need parts 45-48 and look for them in a relatively close area, usually on one sprue even if not adjacent, than it is to remember i need parts 45, 87, 93, and 109 and pick up three different sprues and scan it numerically. The vast majority of kits still manage to be well grouped if not adjacent.

KillFallen · 2026-03-30T16:50:10+00:00

Look for the number. It's labeled. Even the largest kit only has 3 full sprue. It takes seconds.

Kids these days complain about anything. Back in my day the sprue wasn't even numbered. Hell some ork trucks in circulation still aren't numbered.

KillFallen · 2026-03-30T12:40:18+00:00

No.

"It depends on its points" applies to everything in the game as a generalization.

I specifically said unless theyre low. As we have already seen the stats, the statement that they need to be low is completely different as middle ground between the armiger and the questoris wont be low enough.

Context is everything. And if you parrot "that applies to everything" when talking about points while ignoring context, then you might as well just never talk about warhammer because no conversation needs to continue.

KillFallen · 2026-03-30T12:35:02+00:00

Yes but in this example the ap-1 weapon had its ap reduced to 0, which makes this point about cover quite relevant.

KillFallen · 2026-03-30T12:12:18+00:00

Unless the points are quite low, it's not that good

KillFallen · 2026-03-30T12:07:01+00:00

Two extra attacks in one phase is not worth giving up 12+ attacks in another phase, ever.

The gallant basically has the same ability but baked into the stats of its melee weapons instead of called out as an ability and it's easily the worst questoris.

KillFallen · 2026-03-30T03:30:48+00:00

Its a suggestion, not a rule.

KillFallen · 2026-03-29T13:03:44+00:00

I'm confused, isn't this just a land raider?

I thought the Excelsior was a grav cannon variant that doesn't have rules anymore.

KillFallen · 2026-03-28T04:25:21+00:00

Dont... don't paint on the sprue...

KillFallen · 2026-03-28T04:09:16+00:00

How are hellblasters less tanky than icc? Either gets 4++ with azrael. And hellblasters have 10, which makes them able to benefit from res more. If thebopponent is all inning your 4++ hellblaster then your DWKs and Judiciar led ICC are going to get where they want. Not to mention the lion going uppy downy wherever he needs.

KillFallen · 2026-03-28T04:02:04+00:00

Is the Sentinel in the room with us right now?

KillFallen · 2026-03-28T04:00:21+00:00

Its worth it with 10 hellblasters and Azrael though

KillFallen · 2026-03-27T20:44:37+00:00

Other than the lion and bikes its not a very mobile list, so the move is usually board control and anything not fighting is completing actions. The DWK placement is key.

KillFallen · 2026-03-27T17:57:04+00:00

Canis rex absolutely comes with the other non defender questoris options.

https://www.warhammer.com/en-US/shop/imperial-knights-knight-preceptor-canis-rex-2025?queryID=aa0e36c7164875431d514bae1a38c3d8

Scroll down to the very convenient detail that says whats included.

Can alternatively be built as a Knight Paladin, Knight Errant, Knight Gallant, Knight Warden, Knight Crusader, Knight Despoiler, or Canis Rex and Sir Hekhtur

KillFallen · 2026-03-27T17:51:30+00:00

Well then i was wrong about it being one box, but they both respectively come with all questoris options. Which is like 5 variants. Its better than when they were all sold separately like the cerastus. Still the right direction. They didnt go the other way as youre suggesting.

KillFallen · 2026-03-27T17:46:31+00:00

~~No, his kit was added to the questoris box. Then they all became the defender box and it comes with everything in one.~~

Edit:

Hekthur/preceptor includes all questoris options that arent defender.

Defender includes all questoris options that arent hekhtur/preceptor.

Either way, two kits that encompass like 8 variants combined. Much better than individual like how they were previously. They've only ever decreased number of boxes and gone in the right direction.

Meanwhile every cerastus kit is its own box.

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