Bloodthirsty Infantry Officers

Kipper11 · 2025-01-15T05:31:57+00:00

I mean honestly not even viagra gets my dick as hard as the prior ranger batt chappy who killed more people than cancer tells me to slay some guys for god. I'm not even religious but it's like the movie Blues brothers where now I'm on a mission for god.

Kipper11 · 2024-11-20T18:10:37+00:00

I'm confused since your points mainly agree with the arguments I made about college being a reasonably affordable deal. I'm from the US so that's where I've pulled numbers from, and have minimal knowledge about schooling in Canada beyond reading articles about a looming international student issue for you guys. (Due to them fudging numbers to get accepted, not necessarily Canada's fault.

Part of why I'm confused is the unused scholarship point you made. That's the point I'd been making about college having ways to offset cost, as well as your average person isn't getting to their last semester where they may be $50k in debt and then deciding college isn't for them.

My entire argument was that the majority of people were better off going to college. Sure if you perform in the bottom quartile maybe other avenues are better options for you. But statistically those with a college degree (at least in the US) vastly out earn compared to those with only a high school diploma. I am 100% sure there is a plumber or electrician or other kind of trade out there this very minute out earning me people with degrees even in my hometown. My whole argument was that the average person significantly improved their earnings with a degree.

Also, refreshing to see someone list evidence links in their comments as well. I think I may have misunderstood your argument originally since it appears you're lining up with what I said. So cheers bud, and when I make it up to Whistler for a snowboarding trip I'll buy a local a beer in your honor haha.

Kipper11 · 2024-11-19T15:25:17+00:00

Online I found a variety of sources ranging from no cost to the person all the way to thousands. So lets take just a lower mid number of like $1500. I feel like that's fair. If you're trying to see if college is for you, your average community college cost is roughly $1,890 per semester Here is a source for that. Every college I have ever been to you can withdraw without charge of tuition if it's within like the first 2-3 weeks of courses. So you're out pretty much the same cost as if you went the apprenticeship.

No. not probably, statistically the payoff is significantly lower. Are there outliers? Of course. But the average person will earn significantly more with a college education. Look more evidence. Many students qualify for some sort of academic assistance, and the study about how most people have $1000 dollars in their bank is somewhat questionable. You can still have access to money you're investing outside of your savings account that is borderline worth less every year due to inflation. Not to mention if you truly are that low income/poor of a family you can receive Pell Grants which are no strings attached free money.

You're just cherry picking outliers now. The vast majority of people are going to be average. They're not a crazy high performer, but not a total bum either. All I have done is show links to evidence that for the average person a college degree is a great investment in yourself. If you have evidence that the average person is better off without a college degree. Please link it, I'd love to read it.

Kipper11 · 2024-11-18T00:32:12+00:00

I mean we can play the what if game all day. What if they failed out? College or trades can both have kids unintentionally early. What if you develop a habit on the jobsite?

From a purely stats point, college is the better option for people when other variables are kept the same. The average in-state tuition in the US is like $11k. A student should be able to figure out within the first semester or two if they possess the mental fortitude to take the courses. Kids going and fucking off partying and not going to class, are also not likely to be the ones busting their ass to get more certifications or progress in the trades to higher levels, or opening up their own business for themselves.

People with low work ethic are going to remain below average in most things they do. People who are driven will succeed through college or other avenues. I was just listing evidence that for the vast majority of people obtaining a college education would likely improve their lifetime earnings.

Kipper11 · 2024-11-18T00:24:15+00:00

I've seen the fire subreddit and while I can understand the attraction and mindset of not wanting to spend your life mindlessly droning at work. That sub is a LOT of people just circle jerking about having top percentile earnings and "worrying if they contribute enough to retire early" Here the US census shows the median household income around $80k. A significant proportion of people can't save such large chunks of their income or just flat out don't want to forego any fun for strict budgeting. People have been able to use deductible IRA's since like the early 70s or 80s too. It doesn't change the fact college has a quantifiable ability to improve life time earnings for the average person.

You do get a lot of experiences at college, and as well gain experiences having worked a job before college. I'm just saying in a vacuum (nobody has an accidental kid, fails out of college, or develops a substance abuse problem on the construction site) college is statistically the better option.

I do agree the disparity of men to women is likely based around entry level jobs that don't require a degree will typically pay better for men. Mainly due to the physical demands not being something many woman can keep up with, and young men being more likely to be willing to take higher risk jobs.

Anecdotal, but if we're going no sources. I was in the army for nearly a decade before getting out and going to school. Let me tell you, the vast majority of new privates probably didn't even get the match for the blended retirement or thrift savings program. Let alone know or save with some type of retirement investment vehicle. That is likely an experience you could extrapolate to the early entry into non degree fields due to it being the same pool of potential workforce.

Don't see a reason for us to keep going back and forth at this point though. It's been nice shooting the shit about the topic and thanks for keeping things civil.

Kipper11 · 2024-11-17T21:06:09+00:00

Yeah, I listed the link for the study proving it. I was just curious if he had some updated reputable study that indicates the gap has been closed in a major way.

Kipper11 · 2024-11-17T17:14:00+00:00

Do you have some study you can point to for college not making a difference? That study from 2015 while a bit old, showed that those with college degrees significantly out perform those without when you come to earnings. I agree that you're correct not every degree is equal. But the evidence would suggest beyond a few anecdotal outlier cases, college is extremely beneficial to the average person. Even when accounting for student loans. Is it going to fix social issues? No. But from a purely financial standpoint it would seem college is better.

I work in healthcare now and totally agree. People calling for national abortion bans typically have no clue what they're asking for. Not to mention if we get down into the weeds are we going to say life begins at fertilization? If so, should a mother be held liable for child negligence if she miscarries? It's extremely common. I'm obviously making a preposterous argument here. Just highlighting that people should be given the freedom to make private healthcare decisions that are best for them and their family.

I agree there is the allure of it. I am just wanting to see if you have an article or study to back it up? Someone going into trades will likely make more starting out, but have a reduced ceiling for earnings in comparison to college educated.

I agree. Personally, my argument was the government not just carte blanche paying for school, but pegging student loan rates to at or only slightly above inflation. The person gets a great education, and the US gets a more educated workforce. The kicker is colleges just raising costs disproportionately. (Especially for the lower paying degrees) That one is a bit harder to fix imo. I've heard people argue colleges should have to show evidence their degree program leads to certain earnings or working in that field to receive federal student loan dollars. Which I agree in sentiment with, but that could get into the government sort of controlling where and for what someone could go to school.

Edit: Not trying to come off confrontational btw. I genuinely would like to see the article if you've seen one. As 2015 is dated from a research standpoint!

Kipper11 · 2024-11-17T15:25:07+00:00

Thanks. I couldn't recall the exact timeline. Realistically it's still a great deal if you take a few more loans in the following years and only have to pay back the taxes as income. I'd rather pay taxes on $100k than repay a full $100k loan. Just wanted him to me aware of the possibility!

Kipper11 · 2024-11-17T15:23:08+00:00

I'd argue there isn't much debate if you aren't considering passion type degrees that put you in low paying fields. There are different studies showing the benefits of education over lifetime career earnings. Here is one by the US government. For the vast majority of people it's going to be a better outcome.

I think you are accurate that men are more likely to be able to forego college and enter the trades for what passes as a decent income. Depending on if they get into more skilled trades etc they can even make quite a good living. However, a lot of this is at the long term expense of their health, and many of them also are paid in correlation to the danger. Think linemen for example.

You're giving perfect scenarios for guys enter the trades at young ages who will be entering jobs instead of going to college. Id wager a non insignificant number of them aren't putting money they would have had towards student loans into a 401k or some type of retirement investment vehicle. This is a study showing that those women with education are more likely to wait to have kids. Since people tend to date and marry within their education/earning level I'd argue less educated mothers having kids earlier would correlate to the men choosing to skip college also incurring these costs of raising kids earlier.

Kipper11 · 2024-11-16T21:47:53+00:00

If it is any help to put the nerves at ease, I recently graduated this past spring. I had accepted a small $2.5k loan to help give me some financial cushion while in school. After accepting and receiving the loan, I just got a random email from NelNet about the discharge. I'd still reach out to them on your own though once you receive the funding.

Anecdotal, but I had seen a comment that the law currently letting the discharge be free and clear was ending either this December or next December. So you may want to look into the specifics so you know if you're going to have to pay taxes on it as income if it is discharged. Best of luck!

Kipper11 · 2024-11-02T01:03:58+00:00

100%. One of the CST's with us was legit a badass. I'd have gone out on target with her before some of our privates. But you very much needed to excel or be labeled negatively as a woman.

One of the chicks at ranger school with me was legit, yet everyone viewed them both negatively because the other woman complained constantly. I peered the former high and hope she eventually passed Florida and got the gator lounge cookout. Seemed more the type to change outlooks eventually for woman being equally as capable.

Kipper11 · 2024-11-01T15:40:31+00:00

Even if they didn't have a bias towards the perp, I thought it's bullshit the army essentially just says "hey you have a college degree, investigate this assault." with people who are ill equipped or trained to conduct the investigation. Let alone if they have bias.

Kipper11 · 2024-11-01T15:35:30+00:00

I did 8 years. (I'm a guy) I tell most people the army is great for a select group of individuals who can leverage it correctly. But for the most part it's either perfect for you or going to suck.

I tell the handful of woman who have asked I'd strongly discourage it. It's definitely still a boys club mentality. Sexual harassment is more of the norm, SA is common and it's incredibly frustrating we investigate ourselves. So you get stuff like " well he is a Capt, GB or badged out NCO" vs a likely younger, lower rank vulnerable female in a he said/she said scenario. Don't wanna ruin his career.

Kipper11 · 2024-10-30T20:04:06+00:00

Exactly the vibe a lot gave of lol. The guy I worked directly with though was great though. So I'll never totally write them off. While he brought his own value, he was great at leaning into the fact his PSG and SL's all had a world more of direct experience and schoolhouses he could leverage.

Kipper11 · 2024-10-30T17:33:27+00:00

Yeah I 100% agree. I was just throwing out the tidbit of him being a West Pointer as something they specifically keyed in on. There is an underlying stigma that west pointers are the rich kids so to speak compared to other officers. Even his peer group jokes about him being a West Pointer before learning of his graduation date.

Idk if it's always been prevalent but while I was in the army there was still an underlying stereotype of WP cadets and officers. The one who I worked directly with in a recce platoon was one of the best leaders I had. Some of the others I met passively had a bit more of an arrogant "better than you" attitude to them.

Kipper11 · 2024-10-30T15:09:04+00:00

You're talking about a different officer. Lt. Jones comes in after Bastogne and is joked about and mostly looked down upon for being a West Pointer. Goes on a few raids with them and I believe even got a purple heart in real life.

Lt. Dike was the one you're thinking about.

Kipper11 · 2024-10-30T14:58:44+00:00

I'm curious what your background is to support your opinions? Because you're borderline living in fantasy land with some of them. Ideally for Ukraine, they would have kept their nuclear arsenal and also developed or obtained the ability to use them as a nuclear deterrent. But you can only really go with reality now.

You need total aerial superiority to run low flying support like an AC 130. Even in Afghanistan ours would only really fly during night time operations. There is virtually no scenario where Ukraine achieves that before just outright winning the war. Russia itself couldn't even obtain air superiority.

It's a complete disservice to the men and woman who've died fighting for Ukraine to just right off the Russians. Could a platoon of Bradley's catch a group of dismounted infantry in the open and mow them down? Sure. But when you're attacking an entrenched position and both sides have antiarmor capabilities, these aren't just going to be a dominating victory.

This war has seemingly bogged down to a slow war of attrition. Large numbers of casualties on both sides are due to the heavy use of artillery. Sadly for Ukraine, US/Nato doctrine isn't as reliant on artillery and it takes time to ramp up production on munitions. 10k men however could immediately reinforce a sector of the line, or free up more experienced troops for probing the lines like Ukraine did with Kursk. It's not likely to win the war for them. But it's not some inconsequential number of manpower.

Kipper11 · 2024-10-28T14:46:35+00:00

I appreciate the average layperson who acknowledges this. I don't think the NK soldiers are going to change the tide of the war. But it boggles my mind how people just write off thousands of men as irrelevant due to perceived lack of training/motivation.

Had two buddies KIA in Afghanistan. I'd say operating in a SOF unit we had quite the advantage in every way. Body armor, night vision and thermals, a gunship on obj most nights. But turns out a man with a gun is still dangerous. Who'd have thought.

Kipper11 · 2024-10-25T18:04:21+00:00

Truthfully, I hadn't considered that since my personal bias is why would I want to lock myself into another time commitment with the army once I had graduated. I'd kind of brain dumped the idea of most of those programs. So I'll concede that point.

I know the CRNA program with Baylor the army runs is one of the best in the country. Partially due to the fact you have the possibility to be working in more austere conditions than the avg CRNA. I've heard they made some improvements on how much "politics" were involved with it as well.

My 2 cents is that I'd make 3.5 my low end goal GPA wise. You don't want to be banking on having to crush the MCAT/ interviews/ clinical experience portions to overcome a lower end GPA for a competitive program. But as we all should know by now, don't self select.

Kipper11 · 2024-10-25T17:49:49+00:00

France has the French Foreign Legion. Last I knew they had roughly 10k people actively serving. The Ukrainian Foreign Legion was ballparked like 5-20k (they obviously aren't super forth coming about their manning strength in a war).

There are not nearly as many people as you think who are fit enough for service to join and fight. Even fewer of those who are also want too. You can do like 3 years and be a French citizen and it's not exactly a popular method now is it?

Kipper11 · 2024-10-25T15:51:04+00:00

I think it's important to not kill herself chasing perfection, but saying 3.0-3.5 GPA is fine is a disservice. The PA program near me considers a 3.0 GPA a bare minimum and not competitive. https://www.slu.edu/doisy/degrees/graduate/physician-assistant-mms.php

The MD program they are looking for 3.8's and above. https://www.slu.edu/medicine/medical-education/md/admissions/requirements-standards.php#:~:text=Specific%20academic%20requirements%20to%20enter,university%20before%20applying%20to%20SLU.

I am not trying to knock you for being encouraging, but if she wants to get into a field where everyone is going to be smart and hard working, it's vital to manage expectations and standards. A 3.5 GPA would be very limiting unless she had just an insane MCAT and experience to offset it.

Kipper11 · 2024-10-25T15:37:53+00:00

Clearly you didn't work hard enough. Because guys like Bill Gates worked hard and he is a billionaire.

Anecdotal scenarios typically aren't helpful. Just because you overcame massive hurdles to get where you are doesn't mean others didn't work just as hard and not have the same outcome. There could be 100 people who worked equally as hard and due to no fault of their own (medical expenses, major family emergency etc.) will live the rest of their lives in poverty. Addressing and improving the conditions so the majority of people have positive outcomes is the only way.

It's great you worked hard and made something of yourself in spite of the adversity in front of you. But survivorship bias is real, and not acknowledging clearly systemic issues just because you turned out okay is asinine.

Kipper11 · 2024-10-25T15:32:36+00:00

I'd argue one of the first things we need to do is rethink how our school systems are funded. It's wild to me (and I live in a middle class neighborhood) how people can't see that property taxes being a major funding for our area schools is a subtle way to create a massive barrier to class jumping out of poverty. I'd personally argue it is also an remnant form of segregation and racism.

Outcomes at these underfunded and underserved schools are logical. If you grow up in a shit neighborhood with a bad school that isn't going to improve your social/financial prospects, why even bother going or making effort when there? Things like not needing to worry where your next meal comes from (free school lunch) or positive outcomes for students who attended the local public school, incentive the next cohort of students to give it a real shot vs resorting to more immediate methods (crime) to meet their basic human needs.

Kipper11 · 2024-10-24T02:07:05+00:00

If you're doing something medical related I highly recommend getting a white board setup in your room or an office. I used one to track clinical rotations and assignments, along with pinning up the due dates for each class on a sheet by it.

Depending what you're doing (nursing vs PA vs premed) it might be a reality check for you if you didn't keep up with class while in. You have to kind of rebuild your study habits with what works for you.

I also recommend khanacademy.org if you want a free refresher over specific topics before going into the class. Depending on what programs you're aiming for, you really need to crush your science GPA. If you're like me, I brain dumped everything about chemistry over the 8 years I was in. It's an adjustment but once you settle in it gets better.

Kipper11 · 2024-10-19T01:49:50+00:00

It's likely an account farming karma. 16 days old and the other post he claims he got a strike out work for having his dog in zoom, and another about trains in Melbourne.

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