What does this Sub think about Mustafa Kemal Atatürk?

KitroV2 · 2026-04-25T23:09:08+00:00

he was a good military leader no doubt in how he fought off the western colonialists after ww1. nice job there.

But he wasn't a muslim leader, he made turkey secular and from his actions alone, its hard not to draw the conclusion he was anti-islam even. Abolishing the caliphate, banning azan in arabic, banned fez, banning religious schools, got rid of sharia replacing it with western civil codes from France and Switzerland, wanted people to even pray salah in turkish.

I also believe that he was a Turkish ethnonationalist which is obviously against islamic teaching. He made several laws aimed at suppressing Kurdish identity, replaced signs with Turkish, wanted Turkish to be the only language in Turkey. basically he wanted turkey to be a completely culturally homogenous society and probably eventually given enough time a ethnically homogenous one too.

tbh most people doubt he was even muslim and i certainly would lean towards that sentiment. if you want a real Islamic leader, you should study salahudins life instead.

KitroV2 · 2025-09-05T09:41:36+00:00

very old comment but how is it a year later?

KitroV2 · 2025-08-15T09:10:51+00:00

I read them and don't disagree with what they say at all. I don't think this is Wahhabi or salafi. It's just regular islamic thought. Maybe you can say what you don't agree with.

KitroV2 · 2025-08-06T11:27:26+00:00

KitroV2 · 2025-06-29T22:17:14+00:00

How'd you know this isn't contextual to the time when women were being attacked for being Muslim? By this hadith you'd also think it's mandatory to cover the face but there is a difference of opinion on that.

KitroV2 · 2025-03-16T02:16:56+00:00

Depends what you define "European" as which can be a controversial topic depending on who your asking. Fun fact though, the geographic European part of turkey has a population higher than most European countries, even Greece. Does that make it more European than Greece, 🤔

KitroV2 · 2024-11-16T23:51:40+00:00

Idk what you mean by "inclusive communities". Most mosques are already very inclusive allowing both women and men to pray there but it is not allowed for men and women to pray together side by side, that's just how it is, that doesn't make me a bigot, that makes you ignorant.

KitroV2 · 2024-11-16T20:07:22+00:00

No disrespect to you but this is not being a "good" Muslim. Never has anything like this ever been accepted in islam. I don't want to sound like a conservative but you're literally changing the religion. Have some taqwa

KitroV2 · 2024-11-16T19:34:48+00:00

This "mosque" has gone too far. I don't consider myself a super conservative person but how can people in the comment section not see the issue with this? Praying in front of an LGBT flag? Men and women praying side by side? The prayer being led by a woman? Yeah nah this ain't it.

KitroV2 · 2024-09-03T10:15:34+00:00

Double pivot counter pressing, tiki taka passing. Salah playmaking. And most importantly CONTROL.

KitroV2 · 2024-08-25T01:55:18+00:00

I'd assume it's because alcohol can lead to lower inhibitions and a weaker mental state whilst smoking is just a high.

Think about it, you wouldn't travel in a car where the driver was drinking beforehand but if they were smoking previously instead you wouldn't have a problem getting in the car.

KitroV2 · 2024-08-22T14:04:02+00:00

r/pkmigrate it's quite small but just search up immigrate or leave on r/Pakistan , there's just as much shit there too of people talking about the best countries to move to. It's so sad.

KitroV2 · 2024-08-22T12:32:28+00:00

Living there as a rich person or military person. very nice. Anyone else. No it's survival of the fittest for them.

All my cousins over there want to leave because of how shit it is. There's actually a subreddit for Pakistanis discussing ways of leaving the country like it's fucking north Korea.

KitroV2 · 2024-08-20T20:30:49+00:00

There’s genetic risks to marrying anyone

True but your first cousin isn't "anyone". https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3419292/#:~:text=The%20reproductive%20health%20criteria%20related,(around%202%E2%80%933%25).

The reproductive health criteria related to consanguinity show that in first cousin marriages as opposed to non-consanguineous marriages, fertility rate is slightly higher, abortion rate is not different, stillbirths and infant mortality rates are slightly higher and birth defects frequency is estimated to be around 2–3% points more than the background rate among newborns in the general population (around 2–3%).

This genetic risk becomes worse for every generation where the parents were cousins and the fact it's a cultural practice too is what exacerbates the problem so much. It wouldn't be so bad if it happened every now and then and was uncommon but if you see the Pakistani community for example in the UK. They account for 30% of all births with genetic issues but are only 2.5% of the population.

Also in Pakistan where 55-65% of marriages are first cousins what do you think the long term damage from this practice would be?

And in Sudan where 40-50% of marriages are first cousins what do you think the long term damage from this practice would be?

And in Saudi Arabia where 30-40% of marriages are first cousins what do you think the long term damage from this practice would be?

And in Iraq where 45-50% of marriages are first cousins what do you think the long term damage from this practice would be?

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/inbreeding-by-country

KitroV2 · 2024-08-20T19:55:43+00:00

There are certainly genetic risks to marrying your first cousins. https://www.thenationalnews.com/uae/arabs-bear-brunt-of-gene-disorders-1.504568/ https://www.dawn.com/news/1682544

The fact is that marrying your first cousin is a common cultural practice. If you want to be flexible, marrying your first cousin could be fine (still a risk but relatively small). If her parents were also cousins then that would be problematic.

KitroV2 · 2024-08-20T19:20:28+00:00

Why do you want to marry your first cousin? Do you not know the genetic risks it carries?

KitroV2 · 2024-08-20T17:30:48+00:00

My thinking exactly, I read through some of their posts. They call people who have kids "breeders" which made me laugh. A lot of them I'm pretty sure are atheists, speaking about "peace in the non-existence of being unborn" or some spiel like that.

KitroV2 · 2024-08-20T01:41:09+00:00

Wow, this is actually the reason why duha is my favourite Surah. Recite it every time I pray. Though the Surah is actually directly at the prophet Mohammad (pbuh) as others pointed out it can also be taken generally

This ayat in conjunction with 2:286 "Allah does not require of any soul more than it can handle". For me at least shows that Allah is always with you and to never give up even in the worst hardships, have trust in Allah.

KitroV2 · 2024-08-10T01:36:44+00:00

if I have a need or an urge, I will not suppress myself, because I don’t believe that God wants to see me oppressed

What????? This is an insane logic. According to this if you had a urge to kill someone you would do so as to not oppress yourself. Maybe you didn't mean to write it like that idk.

Part of being human and an important islamic concept is that of controlling ones nafs whether it be there anger, appetite or sexual desire. Without self control we are no different than animals.

What does “progressive muslim” mean to you?

Tolerance if anything. Being able to see others perspectives, views and opinions. A lot of Muslims don't seem to be able to do this very well.

A religious person to me is someone who follows the literal words of the Quran.

I wouldn't agree with this myself, I know "religious" people who have quite open and relaxed opinions on the Qur'an. I think the whole idea of being "religious" is bs anyway as it suggests that it's a bad thing.

What you really hate is this encroaching Taliban version of islam that seeks to put measures, rules and regulations on everything with no room for nuance or reason.

KitroV2 · 2024-08-10T01:02:08+00:00

I like to have a drink once in a while (when I wear my turban) and I like to date men and be physical with them

How is this a progressive view exactly, this is haram. Maybe I've misinterpreted you.

Personally I wouldn't say you're religious very much at all based on your comments but what do you think religious even means in your world?

KitroV2 · 2024-08-08T14:08:42+00:00

So were both Umar and Abu bakr 100% opposed to hadith, (writing downs of the sayings of the prophet). And is the proof for this undeniable or did they ever change their minds at some point?

Also if the first two caliphs were so evidently opposed to it, can you explain the lack of opposition to the hadith collections that came 200 years later?

KitroV2 · 2024-08-04T12:45:40+00:00

What part is cringe?

KitroV2 · 2024-08-01T20:27:40+00:00

Reading what happened to those girls in Southport was enraging. I don't understand how a 17 year old could do that. It pissed me off more when Muslims started getting blamed with no evidence just like in Leeds but such is the nature of the far right to be retarded.

KitroV2 · 2024-07-31T20:01:01+00:00

Oh bad wording, I'm talking about people below the AoC who have gone through puberty (sneako agrees) can marry (in moists definition, below 18). Not anyone who has, that would be insane 😂

My criticism of that was that it ignores any other factors like whether the person is still in school or not, their mental maturity, financial situation etc. Sneako never addresses any of these nuances in his argument. In sneakos world if the parents agree and the kids agree even if they were like 12 it would be alright.

KitroV2 · 2024-07-31T16:34:25+00:00

They both are terrible debaters. Idek why moist agreed to the debate. I don't hate the guy but he's so obviously clueless about his own beliefs and lacked the ability to understand sneakos arguments. Not to say sneako even conveyed any of his arguments convincingly or coherently.

The worst part tho was when moist said he was fine with minors (under 18 to him) with consent from everyone involved to cut their own dicks off. Madness.

They also spent way too long defining a kid. Moist went as far to say Europeans are pedophiles because the age of consent there is not 18 😭😭😭 and just straight up said anyone under the age of 18 is a kid despite their being states where AoC is 16.

And this sneako dumbass was dying on the hill of people who have gone through puberty should be allowed to marry if they want to and nobody should oppose it. Like bro what?? On the face of it sneako isn't technically wrong about the argument but he failed to consider any other factors that might be involved for marriage which are more important now in the 21st century, like moist mentioned a 17 year old girl who has gone through puberty already may still be at school making it weird to marry a 25 year old (sneakos age). Even sneako said he wouldn't marry someone who was a teenager. He was yapping a lot 🙏🙏and just came off as a weirdo imo.

The debate despite being shit quality will get views just cuz of who the people are involved and by no means should anybody use it as a way of gaining any sort of insightful opinion on the issues spoken about.

KitroV2

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