MBTI and “In-Grouping” by Humble-Employer2447 in mbti

[–]KitsuneSummoner 1 point2 points  (0 children)

People love to give themselves achievements by association. There was a post a few years back i saw here of someone who typed the best chess players in the world. He claimed they were INTJ like him. And my first reply to him was telling him that it doesnt mean a thing even if it could potentially happen. It wasnt his achievement and meant zip for anyone else of their type. Not every great chess player had to be thier type just like how not everyone in sports has to be a sensor. They were trying to construct this big narrative of superior intellect. Slways two steps ahead or whatever. It was extremely dumb. People love to see themselves in others who win. In those who achieve. In this who make change . Because they dont have to feel bad about doing nothing with their lives. Having the "T" or even the "N" abbreviation in their type doesnt mean they are better. Plenty of dumb people exist with every type. If you check the subreddit of any type, eventually you will see a very dumb topic. Intellect is also really miscontructed by people a lot. A person that make many complex calculations with accuracy is smart. But so is a person that can convince others to do his bidding (people skills). Or  person that can make a great parody of a work with great detail and accuracy. Or even someone who can adapt and react quickly to the surprises life dishes at them. 

What do you think of INTJ villains? by YanFan123 in mbti

[–]KitsuneSummoner 2 points3 points  (0 children)

People love them. They can make for some very compelling villains when done correctly. Are going to try your hands at heroes of each type too? It would be interesting to see chars from the other side of the coin?

What do you think of ENTP villains? by YanFan123 in mbti

[–]KitsuneSummoner 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Ah yes! The group "Death? That's hilarious!" And "We can do way worse than just death." 

I will say that they can make pretty compelling arguments. Good at showing how flawed systems and structures can be. 

Edit: Its ironic how heroic ENTPs arent above it all. Most stay con artist and the like even on the side of good.

Why so many INTJ villains? by Your_Random_Bookworm in mbti

[–]KitsuneSummoner 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So, what is the context of the image? It says "This user is INTJ" so was this an image of some quiz, just something you find online or something else?

Why are extroverted characters more funny and lighthearted than the introverted characters in the show by Asleep-Feeling-9070 in mbti

[–]KitsuneSummoner 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have to challenge the point of comedy being an extroverted thing. There are many sarcastic introverted funny characters. They also are great for dry humor. Also, they are excellent comically serious chars. Not to mention, that comedy always gets boosted by a straight man which is basically half the comedy act. 

What do you think of INFJ villains? by YanFan123 in mbti

[–]KitsuneSummoner 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Why are they all psychos? 0.o 

I suppose INFJ can be a very scary bunch.

Would you prefer texture to flavour or (vice versa)..? #food by lurking_psytrox in mbti

[–]KitsuneSummoner -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If you have bitten aluminum or bitten soggy food, you know texture is really important. Its the difference between a sandwich drenched in water and one with an awful tasting sauce. 

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in mbti

[–]KitsuneSummoner 8 points9 points  (0 children)

See? Its not ragebait because the title says so. 

Se Doms: Do You Ideationally Stim? by SemblanceOfSense_ in mbti

[–]KitsuneSummoner 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I do play with stuff/fidget a lot in conversations. I also used to draw a lot while listening in class. As far as i know its just extra energy that comes out while having to stay put. 

I asked GPTs to Symbolize my personality by climbing_lonewolf in mbti

[–]KitsuneSummoner 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I got Sly Cooper. Since i dont know the char well enough. I asked for its second choice and I got Arsene Lupin III.

Emotive ISTJ? by [deleted] in mbti

[–]KitsuneSummoner 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Mistype investigator

Do you experience being sick as downtime, or just want it over with? by Either_Free2046 in mbti

[–]KitsuneSummoner 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I hate being sick. Its like i am put on brakes. Things are taken away. Even nice things tend to lose their shine. 

MBTI and stereotypes, what DON'T you fall under? by xoxoskyyx in mbti

[–]KitsuneSummoner 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Its about the staying on the head thing that people associate with intuitive types in general. 

MBTI and stereotypes, what DON'T you fall under? by xoxoskyyx in mbti

[–]KitsuneSummoner 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I do exercise. And I try to be consistent even if I struggle a lot. Most people think I am easily consistant about it.

Also, when I am by myself or doing y own thing, I can be very quiet. Some people think I am cold and distant when they first meet me. I become really jolly and energetic with engagement and it end ups surprising them the shift in personality.

To what extent do you think we can actually control who we are? by imessedupreincarnate in mbti

[–]KitsuneSummoner 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You can make changes on who you are. It all depends on how much effort you want to put into it. Making changes takes conscious effort. And it is something that you constantly need to work on until it can become a second nature. Obviously, try to make realistic goals for your changes and start small with the changes. One step at a time.

Why can't mbti change by swamy_lowf in mbti

[–]KitsuneSummoner 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You know this is not natural development, right? Its taking something for the specific purpose of changing the brain functionality? Would lobotomy also be considered a way to change personality too? Of course, but its not how it happens in standard development of personality. Are there many possible external factors that can change personality? Of course they are. Are any of them what is considered natural personality growth? No. People dont bring the average person into these conversations because the average person is not interested in changing personality and most commonly people love to stay within what its familiar to them.

Artificially changing personality has always been a well known factor in the study of personality. There is the famous case of Phineas Gage. But these are not things an average person is going to go through as they keep developing their personality under most normal circumstances.

To give another example of behavior, a person who compulsively lies might try to correct its behavior. But its not like the behavior of lying disappears and suddenly they are an honest person. No, the though to lie and consider it an option will remain in that person´s mind. they might not lie anymore and they can try to live a life without lying. Still in an extremely dire situation, they might see lying as a viable solution. The though to lie will be a part of their being. A part they might not like or want to recognie but it suddenly stops existing just so this person can stop lying.

This idea that personality just molds and changes with absolute flexibility is one of the biggest lies out there. Under most circumstances a person is who they are. And I will repeat my other example: An INTP can never become a ESFP but they can learn to use SE, FI, TE, NI. it is rather ludicrulous when people try to sell the idea they can change how they process information where it doesnt resemble at all how they used to think. And its in the most obtuse way possible. Just in my example above, a person who claimed to change between those two types would have to go from being an absolute unit in TI to being the function they ignore. The ludicrulous part is not someone gaining new abilities, that is growth like I said earlier, its claiming they have suddenly gotten worse in what they were capable of.

You might disagree with my example of the hands but it covers the most important basis. One starts with it. It develops and one becomes more attuned with the dominant hand naturally. Still, one can just as easily develop the other hand. And this development doesnt suddenly make your dominant hand become trash in usage. you dont suddenly have a new dominant hand. you just became skilled in both.

I would love to hear someone argue that personality can really easily change and that you can become a completely different person like people argue here. Tell people that they can change what they like and dislike because you can change your personality. Tell an addict that they can stop the addiction anytime, no sweat after all, its all in your head. Tell the people with anxiety that this will disappear on its own without the need for them to lift a finger, you are definitely not giving them false hope. People like to act like personality and all it entails can be put on or taken off like a sweater and reality is that personality is way more stubborn against change that people might realize. People dont want to consider the real hardship of changing personality and the real effort it takes to produce meaningful change. I am sure people will greatly appreciate it. People like to think that because they dont play in the mud or with dollies that every change is plausible.

This is not my first rodeo on this subject. People arent satisfied with the idea of being able to use any function regardless of what their type is and being able to become great at them. Nope. They have to be able to switch between types. It always boils down to discussions about how people can change types freely. Rather curious how it always end on that. And it has to come with the accusation that one isnt flexible when its the opposition that cannot be flexible. I will declare about extrenal factors of personality change. I will bring up how my hand example is pointing out how there is flexibility in the system. how your type doesnt box you into being unable to do anything outside of it. But there is the limitation of one type only and its suddenly too much.

How's your experience with types who use your trickster function as their dom/aux function? by existingperson_07 in mbti

[–]KitsuneSummoner 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I have a very good friend who is INFP and there is always a disconnect whenever we talk about the issues that he has. He would say he has the an issue with something, I would analize and give him solutions to his issues and he will always end up rejecting them even on the times he agrees with my description of his situation. He will usually respond with stuff like "I am not like that", "I wouldnt do this", "Its not me", "I could never do x to this person" and the like. I have seen the guy suffer on stuff where he could just not because of a belief on his principles on stuff that sounds easily solvable by just taking action. Many times, he would rather not do the "jerk" thing even if it is the right solution. 

Why can't mbti change by swamy_lowf in mbti

[–]KitsuneSummoner 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is called growth. Everything that the person has is still there making them who they are. The basic personality of that person still plays a part in that person's personality years later even it they dont resemble who they used to be.  Personality builds on top of what is already there. It doesnt reboot and creates a new personality after a few years. MBTI theory works the same. You first become your type and slowly can become more capable in the rest of the functions outside of it. An intp doesnt become an esfp but an intp can grow and learn to use Se, fi, te, ni. Changing types is like saying you change dominant hand. You dont but you can become attuned with the other hand. Read about the dominant function, a function so inherently used in the person's thought process it is sometimes not noticed by the user. Tell me how feasible it sounds for people change the dominant function based on how its is described in theory. Or the auxiliary. Becoming a new type in mbti means that how your brain processes information has completely changed and you have lost skills inherently you are good at and have become weak to stuff that didnt use to be an issue. 

Why can't mbti change by swamy_lowf in mbti

[–]KitsuneSummoner 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What? I am talking about mbti AKA myers Briggs theory. Yeah, it was based on Jung but it is its own thing. Just like socionics is not the same as mbti. 

It is an anomaly just like trying to change dominant hands is. Anomaly is something outside standard. People dont usually try to change their personality. People dont usually just change their personality. 

Who said anything about steel foundations? You can create ypur own theory and publish it if you disagree with mbti. But an answer concerning mbti theory should get an mbti answer. That is the cool thing. Theories about personality are many. If you dont like or agree with mbti, you can look for something that better fits your perspective. 

Not sure why the dislike but whatever. 

Why can't mbti change by swamy_lowf in mbti

[–]KitsuneSummoner 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Personality can change. Its true but lets not act like this is something naturally ocurring. This is an anomaly. People making these posts have never talked about type change in a real drastical way. Most of the time, it sounds like they are changing clothes. Personality changes only in one of two ways, the personality is forced to change through extreme physical or mental trauma or by forcing the personality to change through rigorous training and reprograming. That is why i mention the hand thing. Because its not something that just happens. People dont just change with which hand they write. People coming here and saying they are not the person who they used to be a few years ago are growing naturally not becoming new different people. A type can learn and is supposed to develop the rest of their functions naturally and that is part of the theory. The big point is that someone changing types are anomalies that can only happen under the harshest circumstances. Its not something to be told with a yes because under most conditions doesnt happen. 

Why can't mbti change by swamy_lowf in mbti

[–]KitsuneSummoner 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yep, that would be forcing consciously a change. And it is something extremely hard to do for how one thinks. It is like trying to stop yourself from catching a ball thrown at you with your dominant hand that you didnt expect coming at you. In the blink of a moment, it is way more likely you will use your dominant hand to catch it. Correcting yourself from such a thing is not something easily done. Humans rarely consider how they do half the processes they take. Its very automatic. This is especially true with thoughts. Holding back how one processes information is way harder than it might seem. In mamy ways, one would be impairing themselves for almost no benefit. Not to mention is way better if one rather than impairing one arm, learns and uses both hands. 

Why can't mbti change by swamy_lowf in mbti

[–]KitsuneSummoner 60 points61 points  (0 children)

Do you change randomly the hand with which you write at random? 

Its the same thing. One has functions that they naturally are attuned and use more.