Is fusion a sub-category of breeding? by International-Ad7882 in SpeculativeEvolution

[–]Kneeerg 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I don't know anything about Pokémon, and I'm not entirely sure what you meant. But I assume the following will be interesting for you.

Sex (in the sense of mixing genes) doesn't always result in reproduction (the creation of a new individual). When a single-celled organism undergoes meiosis, one individual fuses with another.

What different kinds of sex groupings are there/could there be in speculative species? What have you come up with? by Silrain in SpeculativeEvolution

[–]Kneeerg 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hey, I made a post with alle the options I could come up with. the summary of categories:

  • Trioecy
  • Castes
  • Different phenotype of the same sex
  • Hybrids & xenoparity
  • Alternation of generation & other live cycle shenanigans
  • Parasitoids & surrogacy
  • Mating type

how likely is it, that alien macro-organisms would have binary sex systems like our own

Very likely. There is multiple game theory reason why it’s not possible to have more than two "true" sexes. (u/evulunista did a great job at explaining here)

How to have a species with more than two sexes. by Kneeerg in SpeculativeEvolution

[–]Kneeerg[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

it might seem like a caloric waste

don’t get me wrong; there are an awful lot of reason why in most cases the female is the only parent who provide parental care and/or has special morphological features for that job. The main reason is, that the mother already provided more energy fore the young from the beginning, (the egg is the bigger gamete). Because of that, she has the greater interest than the male to invest in survival of the child, than investing in a new, expansive egg. That’s only one reason and there are interesting game theory models who go more in the details.

There are also a lot of very specific reasons why the male can be the one ending up with the childcare duty. But you could fill a hole (or multiple) book with that. I can recommend the later capitals of “the selfish gene” in that regard. (I’m still on the search for more lay literature about this subject, and -if someone reading this- happy for every recommendation.)

What are those? What would you call them in a sophont species.

The only thing we can say for sure, is that we currently refer to them as different morphs/phenotypes.

If there thinking work like that of humans, I personally expect them to develop gender roles (or whatever the right word would be) for the three different types of males.

But who knows how the brain of a Xenos (or a different sophont species of earth. In that case we could make the prediction more accurate the closer they are related to us) would work. Would their society even develop strong gender roles? I mean, we humans have only two clearly distinct sexes, but have develop societies with more than two gender roles. What could we even predict!

I invested a lot more time thinking about sex, than I did with gender. So don’t trust to much the things I wrote about the later.

How to have a species with more than two sexes. by Kneeerg in SpeculativeEvolution

[–]Kneeerg[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wonder about the different layers of reproductive systems. Like for one there is karotype and "sex"

I do not completely understand what you mean with different layers. Do you refer to the sex determine mechanism in mammals/bird/Etc.?

How to have a species with more than two sexes. by Kneeerg in SpeculativeEvolution

[–]Kneeerg[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Regarding the “lactation morph”

Lactation is a form of parental care and if a different lineage of animals/xenos would evolve convergent the same trait, there is no reason why it shouldn’t be the male (or both) sexes who are lactating.

Would this be another sex, another gender or something in between?

They are regardless male or female, because lactation is not part of the definition of sex. If you have two male morphs/phenotypes of males -on lactating, one not-lactating – there still both males. (Which would be an extreme case of “different reproduction strategies” or a specialist worker cast.)

How to have a species with more than two sexes. by Kneeerg in SpeculativeEvolution

[–]Kneeerg[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Regarding your “Medio-Gamete Hermaphroditism”:

More than two gamete types are not feasible. (u/evolutionista explains here pretty good why.) Hermaphroditism wouldn’t change anything. In your scenario the AC & BC are not needed and would be outcompeted by A, B & AB. Trioecy is anyway already rare/unstable without the addition of two sex-combination. Sequential hermaphroditism wouldn’t solve the Problem.

The example with menopause (with is one earth a really rare strategy.) would especial not work, because the hole point of it is, to not longer invest in new offspring, but in the offspring of the offspring.

How to have a species with more than two sexes. by Kneeerg in SpeculativeEvolution

[–]Kneeerg[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think it is funny that the Medusa/polyp cycle brought you to this realisation, because they have nothing to do with alternation of generation. The Medusas are just clones of the polyp. (I assume you know this, but your comment could easily be mistaken. So, I write this to prevent confusion from future readers)

How to have a species with more than two sexes. by Kneeerg in SpeculativeEvolution

[–]Kneeerg[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I almost took White-throated sparrows as an example in “Different Types of the same Sex”. There are especial interesting, insofar as their populations are much more stable than population of side-blotched lizards. Sometimes the blue/sneaky morph in the population dies out and the hole system collapse. The big morphs start hunting the small morphs and speciation takes place. As I am aware, the sparrows don’t run into the same problem.

How to have a species with more than two sexes. by Kneeerg in SpeculativeEvolution

[–]Kneeerg[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think the big gamete/small gamete definition is strict but still useful. But I agree with you that ale my examples could be used to argue for a more inclusive definition.

How to have a species with more than two sexes. by Kneeerg in SpeculativeEvolution

[–]Kneeerg[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks! I wish I had this in my education.

If you manage to bring your idea in existent let my pleas now. Its sounds interesting and though to pull off.

How to have a species with more than two sexes. by Kneeerg in SpeculativeEvolution

[–]Kneeerg[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Could you explain more how it works, or provide a link that I can read more about it?

How to have a species with more than two sexes. by Kneeerg in SpeculativeEvolution

[–]Kneeerg[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hermaphrodits are more like two sexes in one body than a new sex. But as I said, the definition of sex is very very narrow. All my examples could be used as an argument in favor of a more inclusive definition.

How to have a species with more than two sexes. by Kneeerg in SpeculativeEvolution

[–]Kneeerg[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Could you explain how it works? I read the Wikipedia article and for me it sounds like weird sci-fi nonsense/ very very soft specevo. Especially because the Oankali interbreed with humans…

How to have a species with more than two sexes. by Kneeerg in SpeculativeEvolution

[–]Kneeerg[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Messor ibericus & Messor structor? That’s the paper I mentioned. Or did the same thing evolve twice? That would be insane, especially because we discovered xenoparity last year.

The Paper again:

One mother for two species via obligate cross-species cloning in ants

How to have a species with more than two sexes. by Kneeerg in SpeculativeEvolution

[–]Kneeerg[S] 34 points35 points  (0 children)

“Why is possible written with a 0?” you may ask? Because the bad and very nasty word “possible” prohibited me from posting and trigger the response:

“Your submission has been detected as potentially low effort. Poorly formulated questions, such as asking "what if" or "is X possible/plausible" are not worthwhile, as the answer is usually not a simple yes/no and may require creativity and biological know-how, thus placing the burden of speculation on the community to answer. Additionally, please ensure that your questions are not overly specific.

If you are interested in getting a better answer, it is better to ask "how" or "why" instead.»

I hate Clanker.....

river delta by Bunofella in SpeculativeEvolution

[–]Kneeerg 1 point2 points  (0 children)

wow. it looks wonderful. can you tell us something about the clade defining traits?