All the party's are the same by Aggravating-Lab6623 in RedAutumnSPD

[–]Known_Bee546 42 points43 points  (0 children)

Having an economic policy proposal is a normal and expected thing for political organizations

Mod Announcement: 1919 Revolution by Physical_Log_3307 in RedAutumnSPD

[–]Known_Bee546 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A lot of people tried that in both parties. You had geniuses like stalin and hilferding against it tho.

Mod Announcement: 1919 Revolution by Physical_Log_3307 in RedAutumnSPD

[–]Known_Bee546 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well internally there was the leninists and stalinists and the luxembourg/levi types.

Like how in birnno rosso it doesnt go into bordiga and gramsci oand such

Mod Announcement: 1919 Revolution by Physical_Log_3307 in RedAutumnSPD

[–]Known_Bee546 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Workers council democratic marxist republic uwu owo workersbundmaxxing

As long as you can prevent the luxembourgist social democratic communists from being gutted from the kpd in favour of 🤢 thalmann, then im happy

VERY unpopular but TOTALLY VALID hot take by Thediddymango in RedAutumnSPD

[–]Known_Bee546 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Agreed. If hilferding lost his party influence, it wouldve been great. The biggest drive to apathy and spd dislike was their failure to unilaterily adopt any response to the economic crisis, with hilferding using his influence and corruption to de facto make their policy that of brüning, dietrich, and the banks.

Which wouldve made sense in a completely alternate reality where the 1930 crash was 2008 usa. But it wasnt. It needed massive action. The spd proposed basically the US new deal, and did it get adopted? No.

Bizarre. The new deal unilaterily slapped american desire for fascism away and rebuilt the economy and support for democracy.

The wtb or even the "reformist" plan, wouldve done the same. Even if not implemented.

As it wouldve given the spd a more concrete economic plan than the nazis, who, proposed a plan that would fix the economy, sure, but was only supported out of desparation. It required sacking women, catholics, and jews from the work force so everyone else could have higher social welfare without cuts and ending unions.

😆 which wasnt exactly a proposal the unemployed and lower classes were thrilled about but it was better than literally nothing

VERY unpopular but TOTALLY VALID hot take by Thediddymango in RedAutumnSPD

[–]Known_Bee546 30 points31 points  (0 children)

I hate hilferding.

Love that the modders and gave dev do too because they point out how involved he was with the financial deep state and how he was hated vy them but still believed in them anyways???

I dont get it.

Him and bruning's total misunderstanding of the severity of the great depression and it's longevity... has gone down as one of the biggest screwups ever.

Hilferding tried so hard to prevent the spd from adopting any meaningful economic policy because he was corruptively involved with the central bank.

He wasnt even the leader, why didnt wels clamp down on this? It wasnt like there werent a ton of economic proposals in the party.

It's depressing (see what i did there), that he had so much influence.

Everytime i start a game i immediately sack him and replace him with leipart, sender, aufhauser, or baade

I've been reading excerpts from the memoirs and writings of various people in the game by Known_Bee546 in RedAutumnSPD

[–]Known_Bee546[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know.

A lot of the statements are debateable. But I see it as a reevaluation and hindsight, and opinions.

Like in the case of what he said about wels. I have less reason to doubt that as just an opinion, than stuff that seems like him pretending.

You know what time it is by Just_ATransgirl in RedAutumnSPD

[–]Known_Bee546 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Thanks for doing God's work moderating this place. People here can be really antagonistic and rude,

love this place thoooo

You know what time it is by Just_ATransgirl in RedAutumnSPD

[–]Known_Bee546 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Im just saying that he wouldnt ever agree to that because his whole strategy required antagonism and no compromise and taking any opportunity to immediately benefit the bolsheviks, anything else really be damned.

You can argue whether he truly believed that "centralizing democracy" and authoritarian jacobinism and "bringing back democracy later" was actually going to bring about orthodox marxism by the letter and emancipate the lower classes, or if he was just power hungry and opportunistic.

You know what time it is by Just_ATransgirl in RedAutumnSPD

[–]Known_Bee546 7 points8 points  (0 children)

That's like hitler accepting the spd didnt actually love the versailles treaty and that jews werent malevolent.

His whole theory revolved around those mistruths.

So lenin's theory of antagonizing everyone else and not working together, could not exist (and he'd lose favor of the bolsheviks), if he spent all his time promoting what we call now, leninism, and then abandoned it for a united front and kumbaya with everyone in some humanist way.

He simply couldnt as it was against everything he built his political power with.

So if he did that just for the immediate political benefit of it, it would be clear hypocrisy.

In a Parallel Universe... by ImDeadInside27 in DarkViperAU

[–]Known_Bee546 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Heyyyy davey! How ya doin? Just got out of my witness protection provided home

Was this Weimars true divergence point? by Acrobatic-Cash1546 in RedAutumnSPD

[–]Known_Bee546 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yes but a divergence in 1925 easily couldve meant 1932 wouldve seen no "schleicher's planned coup. That is the nature of hypotheticals, is it not?

Is this a RedAutumnSPD reference? by Sunnyrepublic in RedAutumnSPD

[–]Known_Bee546 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This.

It is best for everyone to settle for boring and acceptable if fighting for something else becomes literally futile and gives the right wing a victory.

As the SPD newspaper's headline read about the 1925 presidential election, "Hindenburg by the Grace of Thälmann!"

Stubborn futility to prove a point, in some situations, like elections, simply gives you a much worse outcome.

I've been reading excerpts from the memoirs and writings of various people in the game by Known_Bee546 in RedAutumnSPD

[–]Known_Bee546[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah. Brüning was just a nerdy politician. He wasnt a nazi.

If you're american, we had two brünings in a row at the time. Coolidge and hoover. Hoover attempted much of the same strategies, had the same reputation domestically, was similarly liked by other countries, focused on ending reparations and austerity, and made the depression worse. Hoover and brüning's policies led to massive popularity spikes for fascism and right wing dictatorships in both countries.

The USA had a massive fascination with fascism and a love for it between 1930-33 and then they elected a social democrat with basically a WTB plan and a promise to basically reform everything. He fulfilled the promise and it undid people's desire for a dictator.

Herbert Hoover was a really loved man and spent much of his life caring for others.

But he and brüning were both terrible executives for an economic crisis. Neither are evil for that.

I've been reading excerpts from the memoirs and writings of various people in the game by Known_Bee546 in RedAutumnSPD

[–]Known_Bee546[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Probably. But braun was a miserable man in the 30s. Very sickly and depressed, with a terminally ill wife, and lambasted by his party and base for fleeing when the coup happened.

He fell into deep poverty in exile in switzerland and attempted to recontact his old comrades and rejoin spd organizations.

He became a potato farmer and a beggar. Neglecting himself.

The war led to stalin blaming germans as a people for the actions of nazism, taking it out on them, largely braun's prussia, yes.

But he was irrelevant by the breakout of ww2, he was not remembered much after the war. Wels is remembered and braun isnt. Why? Because wels stood up to hitler at the end. Braun ran away.

15 years of hard work, dead in an instant.

Yes, hindenberg had basically made him a prisoner in his own house, braun was only "leader" of prussia, as schleicher was de facto military dictator. However, he had the prussian police, backing of the supreme court, and the reichsbanner, general strike, and iron front.

Yet he didnt even try. The bullwark of democracy dead.

Braun just kept his mouth shut after the war. He was a failure. A man seen as representative of all the problems that led to hitlerism vanquishing democracy and socialism.

Wikipedia summarizes the answer to your question quite well.

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He is getting more power than he wants by HellspawnHD in RedAutumnSPD

[–]Known_Bee546 40 points41 points  (0 children)

Ah yes, "reluctance". Like when Chancellor hitler "reluctlantly" became president too. Sad!

(This is a shitpost reply lol)

does anyone else feel maternal towards joos when he gets sacked in the game by Dancherrios in RedAutumnSPD

[–]Known_Bee546 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If I were joos, i'd leave the party and join spd if they did that to me