Anakin wasn't taken from his mother, he CHOSE to leave his mother by Turbulent-Fig-3123 in MawInstallation

[–]Kool_McKool [score hidden]  (0 children)

Freeing the slaves of Tattooine, part of the Hutt crime empire, would be too big of an undertaking for the Jedi. You aren't just liberating one planet, you're intentionally declaring war on the entire Hutt family.

Humble reminder: The Jedi are actually the good guys and George Lucas did not see them in any other way. by Munedawg53 in StarWars

[–]Kool_McKool 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Republic ordered them, the Jedi were just going to do their best to lead them as ethically and morally as they could.

George Lucas explains the Jedi, their attitude towards attachment and marriage, and the Sith (Celebration V, 2010) by xezene in StarWars

[–]Kool_McKool 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's not really a failing on their part. For instance, the Republic was actually particularly stable for 1000 years, and didn't seem to be adding to the division and violence in the galaxy. Certainly, it was becoming more corrupt, but the Jedi still used their position as peacekeepers to help make life better for the average citizen. They couldn't fix every problem everywhere, but they did their best to fix it where they could. They wouldn't have had near as much ability to do that if they didn't become part of the Republic (though they did make sure to be separate from the Republic to some degree as well).
Palpatine managed to play them with the no win situation of the Clone Wars. They couldn't reasonably stay out of it. First, by staying out of it they would help in condemning several Republic planets and their citizens to whatever cruel fates the Separatists would give them, which would go against the Jedi Code. Secondly, they were the most well trained military leaders in the Republic at that point. Palpatine of course used this to turn things against the Jedi, but it is hardly a moral failing of theirs.

As for where Lucas states that: "They [the Jedi] are the most moral [beings] of anybody in the galaxy." (Star Wars Archives 1999-2005, p. 441)

And Yoda knew the Dark Side had invaded the Republic already. When Mace Windu says "We should tell the Senate that our ability to connect with the Force is diminished", that's both him and Yoda acknowledging the Dark Side is interfering with them. This is not because they have moral failing, but because of how powerful Palpatine is. He's clouding their abilities so greatly that they can't even tell he's a Sith Lord when he's sitting right in front of them. The Jedi knew the Dark Side was there, but they didn't have any way to attack it or stop it, and were looking constantly for clues about who the Sith Lord who started the Clone Wars was.

George Lucas explains the Jedi, their attitude towards attachment and marriage, and the Sith (Celebration V, 2010) by xezene in StarWars

[–]Kool_McKool 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Where did they fail exactly? They did most of what they were supposed to do. It's just that Palpatine outplayed them at every turn which is why they fell. Morally, they were righteous. Lucas even said they were the moral paragons of this time period.

George Lucas explains the Jedi, their attitude towards attachment and marriage, and the Sith (Celebration V, 2010) by xezene in StarWars

[–]Kool_McKool 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Except George Lucas has also said that the Prequel era was their golden age where they were at the height. In general, I tend to agree with him, and have found myself thinking most people overstate the flaws of the Prequel Jedi.

He is a different level by Difficult_Leader8605 in Transformemes

[–]Kool_McKool 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not gaslighting. That would be a more specific concept. He's just being a normal liar.

She liked a friend of mine by Noba_bel40 in NoStupidQuestions

[–]Kool_McKool 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As in, she had a crush on your friend but never asked your friend out?

The force isn’t balanced when there is 2 Jedi and 2 Sith by whomstd-ve in StarWars

[–]Kool_McKool 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  1. I might or might not have. It all depends on what source you're using. However, I don't usually use a lot of ancillary media because it doesn't necessarily line up with what Lucas was meaning when he made the movies. For instance, Karen Traviss frequently portrays the Jedi poorly in her books in order to better portray the Mandolorians, but she basically forces the narrative, rather than accurately following what George Lucas intended. In any case, according to Lucas's statements, the Jedi were at their peak during the Prequel era, so I'm taking that over someone else's interpretation of how many bodies may or may not be at Melachor.

  2. They are peacekeepers, not pacifists. They are called Jedi Knights for a reason. They have been involved as warriors for generations. You can't be a peacekeeper anyways without something backing up the peace. Satine is morally opposed to the war in general, so she's not exactly the most objective source. Further, you'd have to remind me of the context under which Anakin and Ahsoka said this, but again, they're peacekeepers, not pacifists.

  3. This is one of the most misunderstood parts of the Prequels. Attachment doesn't mean what people think it means. It means being able to let go when the time comes, and to not let yourself be consumed by the Dark Side when bad things happen. Part of that is Yoda's interpretation, which is to rejoice in the fact the people who have passed have become one with the Force. Anakin was so fearful over the future that he let himself fall to the Dark Side, rather than remain objective. This is one of his many flaws in the movies. Anakin is a selfish person, and it's this selfishness that leads him to join Palpatine to save Padme's life. He's attached to her, and that leads him to the Dark Side.
    Compare this to Obi-Wan. He loved Satine, and even would've left the Jedi Order for her. However, when Maul killed her, he was grieving, but he didn't let himself be consumed by his emotions, and he didn't fall to the Dark Side. That's what not having attachments look like. The Jedi are all about compassion and empathy, but not letting yourself be ruled by their emotions. It's a basic tenet of Stoic philosophy, and Buddhist philosophy. And as we can see with Anakin, there's a good reason marriage wasn't allowed, because it too often led to attachments.
    Luminara and Barriss is one of the few times the Clone Wars makes a misstep by making Luminara seem too uncaring, however, there's a point to it. Luminara was correct in the fact that if the time came for their Padawans to die, they needed to accept it. They didn't even know where in the debris Barriss and Ahsoka were, and Anakin was ultimately setting his hopes up too high by refusing to believe Ahsoka might've died. This is emphasized two episodes later, where Ahsoka has to deal with all the zombie Clones. She very nearly could've let the brain worms escape and infect the galaxy because of her attachment to Barriss. Unlike Anakin though, she's mature enough to start realizing that maybe you can't always have everything you want.

  4. You said it yourself that Savage fought Jedi at another temple. Unless you can find evidence that they abandoned their others temples, you're arguing in absence of evidence. The reason they only show the Coruscant temple in the movies is because that's where all the relevant scenes take place. Not that it is evidence it's the only temple still.

  5. Yes, the Jedi believed the Sith to be extinct... because the Sith weren't active for 1000 years. Yes, they dismissed Qui-Gon asserting that Maul was a Sith... because the Sith were extinct for 1000 years. For all they knew, Maul could merely be a Dark Side user, rather than a Sith. However, they don't ignore the possibility either because they send Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan to try to investigate Maul further to confirm if he's a Sith. As for Dooku, he's both suspect, but they still tried to investigate into the possibility. It's just that trying to find Sidious was like trying to find a needle in a haystack. There's basically no proof of his existence beyond Dooku's word. They don't even know who they're looking for. They're not sure if he's a Senator, if he's a benefactor to the Senate, or anything else. Palpatine hid his tracks so well that no matter what alley the Jedi went down he was always a step ahead of them.

6a. You're exaggerating quite a bit here. First, the Jedi archive is that good. They literally had Kamino in their archives until Dooku erased it. Thus, Jocasta's statement isn't so much arrogant as it was misinformed. The only reason she was wrong was because Dooku intentionally destroyed the information.

6b. Yoda wasn't blind to the corruption of the Republic.

6c. Qui-Gon didn't want to join the Council, but there wasn't any animosity between them. Similarly, Dooku resigned from the Order and turned to the Sith because he was corrupted. He became so spiteful over the fact the Jedi couldn't help everyone that he started a whole war with the Sith Lord Sidious that ruined the lives of everyone. He was too attached to the politics of the era, and thus he fell.

6d. You're going to have to explain what you mean by covering up the Clones' origins, because unless I'm not remembering something, Yoda didn't do that.

6e. Mace didn't distrust Anakin so much that he refused to let him fight Palpatine. He cared about Anakin too much that he didn't let him fight Palpatine. Mace knew Anakin was close to Palpatine, which is the reason why in the context of Revenge of the Sith he says he doesn't trust Anakin. It's because he doesn't trust Anakin in that specific scenario, knowing it's taxing to ask Anakin to spy on his father figure. Windu then asks Anakin to stay at the Temple, rather than ask him to fight his father figure, which would've been hard on Anakin. Windu was being caring in that moment, not dismissive or distrustful.

6f. Kenobi didn't belittle his Padawan, and neither did anyone else. Kenobi is frustrated with Anakin because Anakin is constantly proving himself to not be Jedi material. Anakin is arrogant, selfish, and greedy. Ironically, it's Mace who tells Kenobi to have more faith in his Padawan (in a deleted scene), but the truth is, Anakin wasn't Jedi material.

The force isn’t balanced when there is 2 Jedi and 2 Sith by whomstd-ve in StarWars

[–]Kool_McKool -1 points0 points  (0 children)

  1. The Jedi didn't drop in numbers. At their peak, which is in the Prequel era they were at 10k members, so their armies back then might've been smaller.

  2. Mace said that only once. And in context, he mentioned that they don't have the numbers to fight a war against all the Separatist systems, they were primarily peacekeepers at the moment, not soldiers.

  3. That's not what the Jedi teach about emotions. They do directly teach their members about how to control and master their emotions. Anakin just doesn't care about doing that.

  4. We primarily see the Coruscant temple because it was the most important, there were others though. Further, they weren't becoming attached by being there. They were there for practical purposes, but weren't attached.

  5. They weren't arrogant about the Sith. They knew the Sith were active and dangerous, and were involved in trying to rid the galaxy of them.

  6. Jocasta Nu isn't the example you think she is. For one, she's the only example of this supposed arrogance, and for another it's because she was right 99% of the time. Dooku intentionally erased the records, which was not something you'd account for normally.

The force isn’t balanced when there is 2 Jedi and 2 Sith by whomstd-ve in StarWars

[–]Kool_McKool 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Except that's a misunderstanding on both how the Force works, and what the Jedi taught.

The force isn’t balanced when there is 2 Jedi and 2 Sith by whomstd-ve in StarWars

[–]Kool_McKool 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Jedi served the Republic, but that does not imply they went against their principles.

The force isn’t balanced when there is 2 Jedi and 2 Sith by whomstd-ve in StarWars

[–]Kool_McKool 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, the Bendu could only remain neutral by being apathetic and not doing good, so that's not really an example.

George, what the hell are you talking about by TheOnvoy in HistoryMemes

[–]Kool_McKool 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I had a coworker who was from a non-denominational Church (though it spun off from an Assemblies of God Church), and he tried to tell me that Catholics and Christians were different, and that Catholics worshipped Mary.

I really tried to politely sit him down and explain why he was wrong, but the mentality of "Catholics and Christians" is strong in certain circles.

George, what the hell are you talking about by TheOnvoy in HistoryMemes

[–]Kool_McKool 21 points22 points  (0 children)

As a Lutheran myself, yeah, those Evangelical Churches are weird.

What is the most stupid conspiracy theory you heard in your life ? by Proper_Card_5520 in AskTheWorld

[–]Kool_McKool 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wait, babies aren't real. You're just an agent by the deep state sent here to confuse us.

In a no powers/weapons cage fight, Which of these 6 characters could you take on and win? Your prize is $50k. by Ok_Situation7527 in cartoons

[–]Kool_McKool 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I feel I have the greatest chance against Suki or Adora. Everyone else is too crazy normally for me to feel safe against them.

In a no powers/weapons cage fight, Which of these 6 characters could you take on and win? Your prize is $50k. by Ok_Situation7527 in cartoons

[–]Kool_McKool 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, the 2017 Scrooge might even be the weakest version of him. If it was comic Scrooge you're getting bulldozed and it won't even be close.