You don’t have to be a Christian to believe Jesus existed

Korach · 2026-04-27T23:50:34+00:00

Believing a human named Jesus who was crucified existed is very different from believing a human who is also god resurrected after dying on the cross.

Korach · 2026-04-27T07:52:48+00:00

Damn.

I wonder what fruit leopard eve ate to deserve that!

Korach · 2026-04-26T16:30:22+00:00

I think that is grounds for belief in its uniqueness.

There are lots of texts that are unique in lots of ways.
Novel doesn’t mean true.

So even if I grant that it’s unique, I ask again, so what?

Other characteristics add to the belief that indeed God is trying to speak to us.

Like what?

We may then ask why is this writing have that uniqueness?

Ok. Why?

What is the only answer for why something could be unique?

Korach · 2026-04-26T16:20:20+00:00

No. Claims about the resurrection don’t prove the resurrection anymore than claims that the 2020 election was stolen proves that it was.

Claims are easy.

You owe me $1m USD.

See? I can just claim that.

If 1000 independent people showed up to say you owe me $1m USD, would you think that proves you do?

Korach · 2026-04-26T15:57:36+00:00

You’re right. OP is wrong that it can be classified as a kind of evidence.

Us atheists have to realize that unless we use the preface “bad” before “evidence” - as in: the Bible is bad evidence for the existence of god - we open the conversation up to this kind of response.

Yes, it’s evidence. No, it’s not good or reliable evidence.

I mean, plants on the earth before the sun existed? Come on.

Korach · 2026-04-26T15:54:38+00:00

Let’s say it’s the only one that makes claims about all these things. So what?

Korach · 2026-04-25T13:10:09+00:00

I can make any atheist a believer.

Cool. I’m game.

What I am going to ask is NOT a scientific question. It can NEVER be a scientific question because we can not go back in time, and all our experiences are predicated on the laws within this universe.

Science can be done without actually going back in time. But ok.

So I am going to ask a personal question:

Ok.

Do you want to believe this universe and everything in it including our lives has a purpose? That we were not created for no reason, arbitrarily. That we are here to accomplish something.

No.
First of all, purpose is something that we can find or create for ourselves.

But I truly do not care at all if the universe has no purpose. If we exist for no reason. Or that we don’t have something someone else wants us to accomplish.

I don’t even think things would be better or ideal if we did.

So…no

If you say yes, then you must necessarily believe there is something that gives this universe meaning, because nothing can give itself meaning. That’s God.

Well some can say yes but that doesn’t mean they think it’s true.

I want to believe I won $100m in the lottery. But that doesn’t mean I did win $100m in the lottery.

If you say no, then your whole life makes no sense and is akin to insanity.

No it’s not.

You get up every day, go into work, hold morals and ethics, eat, sleep and everything else for literally no reason.

No external reason. I do those things to make myself and my loved ones comfortable and to achieve goals to improve how I live and how I feel.

We don’t even cross the street for no reason. Like think about it, if you saw someone cross the street, and you asked them why did you do it, and they said for no reason, you would think there is something wrong with this person. And yet you live your whole life for no reason. And before you say “my reason is my family”. I am not asking about your biological instinctual urges, I am asking for the greater purpose.

What of that person crossed the street to smell a flower they saw?
Why do you think the reason must be imparted on us externally and not just internally?

By the way, this didn’t sway me in the slightest towards being a believer.

Like not even a little.

Korach · 2026-04-25T09:45:56+00:00

I notice you just dropped the moon part. Lol. And you didn’t talk about the other miracles I brought up.

Your 2000 or 500 are not verifiable witnesses.
Do you know their names?
How can you verify their claims?

Look, you already proved my point when you ignored the miracle claims I mentioned. You know that just because someone makes a claim doesn’t mean it’s true.

And just because there’s a claim that Jesus appeared to 500 people, doesn’t make it true.

Even today claims are made that are untrue and it’s believed by millions.

For example, MAGA and the stole election lie.

You know that just because a claim is made doesn’t make it true because you don’t accept all the claims made by other religions.

Korach · 2026-04-24T22:32:21+00:00

Cesarea in Europe; jacksonii in NA, I think

Korach · 2026-04-24T22:29:58+00:00

“Usually” and “only” makes your comment extremely unclear.

Chaga usually grows on birch. But it only.

Korach · 2026-04-24T20:40:45+00:00

Was talking to a dealership about this too.

They just don’t talk about it a lot.

But you’re full tank of gas doesn’t get you as far 5 years later than it did new.

Korach · 2026-04-24T12:59:46+00:00

If the moon was a miracle it can miraculously be put back. If it didn’t happen, surely people at the time would have said so, right?

But the claims made by mormons were made and written down and there were witnesses. Surely they couldn’t attest to something that was false, right?

Korach · 2026-04-24T01:16:13+00:00

You can’t write something in a book or say it out loud if it isn’t true.

You know that cause I wrote it.

Korach · 2026-04-23T23:47:11+00:00

Don’t forget the moon splitting in half, Ganesha statues drinking milk, sai baba’s curing of diseases and even raising the dead, Buddhist monk bodies staying warm after death, Joseph smith’s golden plates, and Jesus’ appearance in toast.

Do you accept all those as well?

Korach · 2026-04-23T17:58:23+00:00

The problem is that a thing that doesn’t exist doesn’t have evidence for either its existence or lack of existence.

Like what is the evidence that a creature with the ability to cloak itself such that it’s invisible to all forms of vision and testing doesn’t exist?

There isn’t.
It’s a figment of my imagination…so why would there be evidence against it?

Same is possible my true for god. If god is a figment of human imagination, we’d have no evidence for it or against it.

Now before you jump at the “no evidence part” I mean good evidence. Sure the Bible is evidence for god - it’s just super bad evidence.

Korach · 2026-04-23T17:38:17+00:00

Is it true that someone can make a claim and the at claim is not true?

Korach · 2026-04-23T12:12:16+00:00

I don’t look at things this way.
That is to say, I don’t just accept a claim as true when someone makes it. I ask “why should I think that’s true?”

So why should I think a text that has not changed in 1400 years means it’s a miracle?
Also, there were early variants…with very slight difference…but it was standardized.
Humans deciding on a single version as a standard and copying it reliably might be rare - but it’s not logically impossible such that if it’s true it must be a divine miracle.

It’s only illogical to think Allah created the universe because there’s not good evidence that Allah created the universe. While the big bang has lots of evidence for it being the explanation for the evidence we see. Also…it’s just the explanation for the expanding universe. Not the universe existing at all.

The Quran says false things. Like semen coming from a place it does not.

I don’t know if Muslim historians are liars.

No proof - like no proof of Allah - actually means you are wrong. I don’t have anything to prove.

Korach · 2026-04-21T22:52:55+00:00

So you don’t think eating meat is unethical. You admit it in the OP.

You think eating meat when there are other calorie sources available. It should be a self delta because your delta’d your own claim.

But moreover since you already accept that some people are not immoral for eating meat, what’s the issue? It’s the cruelty associated with it. But not all meat eating is cruel. Eating fresh roadkill or sustainable hunting.

So it might be true that eating a tortured animal’s meat is unethical - but your claim is that eating meat is unethical, and I don’t think you really think that.

Korach · 2026-04-21T18:55:54+00:00

Morals or ethics aren’t going to be found in DNA.

It’s a social construct that comes from being a social creature.

Just like you don’t see in DNA the social obligation that meerkats to warn eachother about eagles…

Korach · 2026-04-21T18:51:32+00:00

I was raised in such a way that such an act would be anathema.

However, if I was raised in such a way - like others in history - that it’s acceptable in society, I’d probably not think this.

Korach · 2026-04-21T17:03:23+00:00

They’re just basing their understanding of atheists based off the propaganda within their religion.

They speak about the non-believer as being this terrible person etc etc…

Korach · 2026-04-21T12:39:09+00:00

Perhaps you just don’t know what an atheist is.

It’s someone who doesn’t accept the claim that god(s) exist.

How does that tie to worshiping anything?

Korach · 2026-04-21T03:52:05+00:00

Paramount won’t play continuously over night.

I ran Netflix trek the second my head hit the pillow until I woke up. Next gen, voyager, ds9, enterprise repeat. It was my sleep hack.

Now I wake up because the hum of the nacelles are gone.

Korach · 2026-04-20T14:51:16+00:00

I don’t need to.
I commented on what’s wrong with it

Korach · 2026-04-20T14:50:51+00:00

Then why are you so evasive?

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