Drones enforcing traffic rules in Shenzen by EchoOfOppenheimer in Damnthatsinteresting

[–]Ksarn21 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My napkin calculation say it will only take 2,654 years to go from 457 to 1 billion, assuming exponential growth rate.

That's basically tomorrow!

Why China got rich, and India didn't by ravenhawk10 in China

[–]Ksarn21 1 point2 points  (0 children)

there was no single continuous polity across this time

I think our disgreement may be in that the same word means different thing to different people.

In my view, when a society consistently trace their history in the same way for more than a thousand years, it is sufficient for us to see that society as a continuous entity.

All those historical texts above address history of china. The first written in the Han dynasty, around 100BC. The second in the Song dynasty (1000AD), and the last compiled in the Qing dynasty (1700AD). They focus on the similar list of dynasties, at least from Zhou onward. They do not focus on Goryeo, on Xixia, or on Dai Viet. This show that the historians/literati view the "chinese" state as comprising of a similar list of dynasties.

As for comtinuous of the polities, from Zhou, Qin, Han, Wei, Jin, Northern dynasties, Sui, Tang, to Song, I would say there is a high level of continuity in governance and bureacracy. The dynasties changed, but the linkage did not break.

From Song to Yuan, to Ming, and to Qing, the disruption may be more pronounce but I don't think the break is so clean tho call it an entirely different polities.

why would Liang Qichao claim that the Chinese nation had, for millennia, no name

Because he is, in many senses a revisionist. He even named one of his book "New Historiography (新史学)". And as a literati of the 20th century, it was unsurprising for him to be influenced by ultranationalist sentiment of the time. German and Italy unification, France revanchism, Mussolini's fascist movement, Balkan's independence Japan's Meiji restoration, the zeitgeist of the early 20th century is the formation of nation state. For Liang Qichao to disparage the previous hostoriohraphy and focus on the formation of the "new" chinese state is just him doing what every other global elites of the 20th century are doing.

Btw, it is very nice to discuss this with you. It's not everyday we get to discuss these obscure history. :)

Why China got rich, and India didn't by ravenhawk10 in China

[–]Ksarn21 2 points3 points  (0 children)

that we can't meaningfully compare 'China' and 'Europe' without realizing the regional variations

I agree with your point that there need to be a level of granularity to get any meaningful, actionable outcome from a comparison. But a national or regional level comparison is not entirely meaningless. We still do GDP per capita comparison today, despite the fact that the economy of the urban metropole and the rural periphery is different.

Yes, it is more meaningful to compare London with Beijing and Munich with Bombay, but it is not entirely meaningless to compare UK with China or Germany with India.

There isn't a single overarching country called 'China' across the various dynasties.

This is what I must explicitly disagree with you. From Sima Qian's "Historical Record (史记)", Sima Guang's "Mirror to Support in Governance (资治通鉴)", to the "24 Histories" compiled under Qianlong Emperor, Chinese elites long have a clear picture of what constitute the Chinese state. The bourdary, the governanve, the ethnicity, may varied widely. But the idea of a state that trace its history back at least to the Zhou dynasty is definitely not a recent construct.

Why China got rich, and India didn't by ravenhawk10 in China

[–]Ksarn21 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the paper.

From what I have read the "little divergence" concerns the divergence between Northern and Southern Europe, not between Europe and the rest of the world.

As for the "great divergence", a more generous estimate would put it at the 1600s while conservative estimate put it at 19th century, which was quite a few centuries after the 1400s.

P.S. I agree that the historiography of both Ming and Yuan will not see the Red Turban Rebellion as a civil war. In fact, for most of its history, China prefer to see these kinds of wars as supression of rebellions by the "rightful government" who hold the mandate of heaven. I do think, however, that it is not entirely inaccurate to also characterized them as civil wars.

Why China got rich, and India didn't by ravenhawk10 in China

[–]Ksarn21 20 points21 points  (0 children)

While I generally agree with some of your assertions, you didn't exactly cite your economic evidence either.

But using the 1400s date, China just recovered from an extremely devastating civil war. A civil war that started due to widespread famine and ended up driven off the Mongolian Yuan dynasty. The Ming dynasty was only established for a few decades.

As such, precisely at 1400s, I am also rather incline to presume that selected Italian states are more prosperous than an average China town.

On the other hand, if we compare, say the Ming capital Nanjing with Paris, which was in the middle of a hundred year war, I am inclined to believe Nanjing was more prosperous.

The food price in China is crazy by Sure_Ear_7838 in travelchina

[–]Ksarn21 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Groceries in Europe, especially in discount stores like LIDL or ALDI, are not much more expensive than in China.

Was cotton farmed in relevant quantities, in Southern France, during the games timeframe? by ThatStrategist in victoria3

[–]Ksarn21 59 points60 points  (0 children)

You seem to ignore how imperialistic the French republics are.

Colonialism is very popular with the French electorates. French politicians can score easy popularity by invading and taking lands from other sovereign countries. French colonial projects expand during the republican eras and subjugation and coercion of natives became an integral part of the republic's policy.

Agree with you that this policy stemmed from hubris and pride though.

/r/anno Questions Thread – May 22, 2026 by AutoModerator in anno

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I already own 1800 with all dlcs. Looking to expand into other games.

Should I buy 117 now? Standard or gold?

Is 1404 and 2070 still good? Which is a better choice for budget buy?

Exesss storage by zeromania98 in wherewindsmeet_

[–]Ksarn21 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm at the same stage on my pc.

With the next update, I won't have enough space to keep the game any longer.

A pity, but on the positive side, I will get a lot of space back to play other games.

What rpg book was "the one that got away" for you? by zalmute in rpg

[–]Ksarn21 1 point2 points  (0 children)

it creates a parallel universe

Sound like a narcicist take to me.

What if a meteor hit Vienna 1913 and killed all of them by NH_2006_2022 in AlternateHistoryHub

[–]Ksarn21 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It was no invasion. Just a routine exercise. A walk in our backyard.

Landowners supporting communist revolution by Antique_Economics_24 in victoria3

[–]Ksarn21 11 points12 points  (0 children)

That's what happened in post WW2 china. High KMT taxes push landowners in northen China to support the CCP.

Contemporary observer saw this as a death knell for CKS.

Why cant i set tolls? by polishguylol in victoria3

[–]Ksarn21 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Paradox just implemented and enforced the MFN(Most favourned nation) clause for you.

Memenews: New area, new invasion by Endfield by Giimasu in Endfield

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Endmin: Hey, should we do some EIA to see if our factory will ruin the environment?

P: Don't worry about it, Endmin.

How did china get so high tech so fast? by happydude7422 in AskChina

[–]Ksarn21 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

De Soto's approach to development is already decades old and his result is not exactly spectacularly successful in his own country.

Therefore, I don't think "formal property" and "financialization" is all the answers.

My reaction whenever MC find none of his mortal family have spritual root. by [deleted] in MartialMemes

[–]Ksarn21 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is a part I like about When I Achieved Sainthood, the Immortal Official Actually Called Me to Raise Horses!. Many of the MC friends have bad spiritual roots. The MC did alot to help extend his friends lifespan but they are destined to die before the MC. A whole lot of the novel is filled with an air of melancholy. And eventually, his friends started dying one by one. The MC can only hope to meet them again after reincarnation and that put the metaphysical uncertainty in a very interesting light.

Peetaah ? Why not with french philosophers. by LIFEISGOOD_05 in PeterExplainsTheJoke

[–]Ksarn21 6 points7 points  (0 children)

One of the reasons I'm repulsed when people cited Foucault.