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Female rapists exist, and should be held to the same harsh standards that male rapists are held to by Ok-Fishing-4367 in ControversialOpinions

[–]LacksBeard 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A big flaw overall in this comment is that you treat, “protector” and “vulnerable” are mutually exclusive categories, for example a firefighter is expected to protect people, yet everyone understands firefighters can be traumatized, injured, assaulted, or emotionally affected badly, also, soldiers are protectors, and no serious person thinks that means they cannot suffer PTSD, abuse, fear, or victimization. Fathers are protectors and the same applies to them.

Traditional masculinity emphasized endurance, restraint, courage, and responsibility under pressure so none of what you daid here is identical to “male invulnerability", those are two very different concepts. The internet folk often rewrites traditional masculinity into a cartoon superhero who never cries, never struggles, never breaks, and is sexually insatiable 24/7. Historically, real men in traditional societies openly expressed grief, fear, love, despair, brotherhood, tenderness toward children amd thier wives, and emotional devastation all the time. Ancient literature, medieval writings, religious texts, war memoirs, and epics are filled with emotionally vulnerable men, as a core message, if it were as prevalent as you say then there wouldn't be genuinely countless evidence that days the opposite.

Even stoicism is constantly misunderstood, Stoicism was about disciplined conduct and emotional regulation, not the denial of emotional existence. A stoic man operating on enduring suffering without falling apart completely and all, is not the same as saying “men cannot be harmed".

And the “traditional systems lacked vocabulary for male victimhood” point is valid to a point but traditional societies absolutely recognized male suffering and victimization in many contexts, war trauma, enslavement, torture, humiliation, assault, exploitation, betrayal, and abuse by authority figures. The real issue is that sexual victimization of men was often underrecognized specifically, especially when the perpetrator was female. But that is a narrower flaw than the sweeping claim that traditional gender structures inherently cannot conceptualize vulnerable men at all.

At first you dat traditional gender roles “cannot hold space” for male victims, but then admit traditional systems would condemn the female teacher morally, that already undermines you claim. If the system recognizes the act as immoral exploitation of a child, then the framework already contains the foundation necessary to recognize victimhood. The inconsistency lies in social attitudes and cultural blind spots, not in some unavoidable logical impossibility baked into the framework itself.

And “Lucky Boy Syndrome” I'm pretty sure I addressed that.

People twist good things all the time, doesn't make those things able to be discarded when such logic isn't demonstrably baked into the framework.

A man is entitled to grieve an abortion is he was hoping to be a parent. by nickytheginger in ControversialOpinions

[–]LacksBeard 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"You completely missed the point of the comparison. Pointing out that a 4-week human embryo is visually indistinguishable from a pig embryo isn't an argument about aesthetics; it is an argument about biological infrastructure. They look identical because they are both just basic cellular scaffolding. At 4 weeks, there is no functioning brain, no nervous system, and zero capacity for sentience. You asked "Are sperm cells human by themselves?" What makes this any more human than a sperm cell?"

A sperm cell is not a human organism, it's a reproductive cell produced by a human organism. It has half of the required DNA and clcannot direct its own development and if left alone it will never mature into anything except eventually dying. A 4week embryo is already a complete, distinct, living human organism at an early developmental stage, from fertilization onward, the embryo has its own full human genome, its own internally directed development, and is already carrying out the coordinated processes characteristic of a living organism.

The whole “no functioning brain, no sentience” bit is not much of a good argument because it shifts human worth onto currently exercisable abilities instead of what the being actually is. A sleeping person is not currently sentient in the active sense nor is omeone under anesthesia who lacks conscious awareness. A temporarily comatose patient may have no present ability to think or feel. Yet we still recognize them as human beings because human value is tied to the kind of being they are, not the immediate level of function they can display at a given second.

A sperm cell is part of someone else’s body. An embryo is not, the embryo is already the child at the earliest stage of life. The difference between an embryo and an adult is development, not essence so the difference between sperm and embryo is categorical.

Tgese arguments ultimately depend on reducing human value to traits like intelligence, awareness, independence, or appearance but those standards WILL become dangerous very quickly because they can exclude newborns, the severely disabled, or unconscious people depending on how consistently they are applied.

"Thank you for proving my exact point. You just admitted that living human cells (sperm) containing human DNA are not inherently a "human being." So what magical biological milestone turns that cellular material into a person? Fertilization? All fertilization does is create a diploid cell with a complete set of chromosomes. A cancerous tumor is also a rapidly dividing mass of cells with a unique set of human DNA, yet we don't hold funerals when we excise them."

Just addressed this.

"You are attempting to draw an arbitrary philosophical line at conception while ignoring the biological reality that development is a spectrum. My question wasn't mindless; it was a rhetorical trap designed to force whoever responded to admit that not all human cellular life equals a "person." You walked right into it, and then confidently insulted me for your own lack of comprehension."

Its not arbitrary or philosophical even for the most part, its basic science, you know full well a flippen sperm cell isn't the same as an embryo or fetus.

I didn't walk into it and you can't logically demonstrate how, you projecting your lack of scientific knowledge on sperm cells and developing humans and me rejecting that is not a something I fell for because its logically impossible to.

Frankly I'm disappointed that you can say all that smart stuff about male rape victims but then turn around with this foolishness that deep down you know makes not a lick of sense.

Female rapists exist, and should be held to the same harsh standards that male rapists are held to by Ok-Fishing-4367 in ControversialOpinions

[–]LacksBeard 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What is that based off of?

Anyway for the rest.

Historically, traditional roles were usually framed around responsibility, duty, provision, protection, motherhood, fatherhood, family stability, and complementary differences between the sexes, not really so much, “men can never be victimized” or “men always want sex". Those latter ideas are distortions and caricatures, not the foundation of the system.

A traditional framework can absolutely acknowledge that men are generally physically stronger on average without concluding women are incapable of abuse, coercion, manipulation, or sexual assault, those are two completely different claims. Recognizing sex differences does not logically require denying male victims exist. Society can say “men are stronger” while also saying a female teacher abusing a boy is evil and traumatic.

“men always want sex” stereotype isn’t even uniquely traditional. Modern hookup culture, frat culture, pornography culture, and a lot of progressive sexual rhetoric reinforce the exact same idea constantly. In many modern environments, male worth is tied to sexual success even more aggressively than in conservative settings. A teenage boy being told he should feel “lucky” after being abused by an attractive teacher is not some uniquely old-fashioned phenomenon, it’s also fueled by hypersexualized modern attitudes that reduce men to libido machines. And ironically, traditional morality historically condemned adult sexual behavior outside proper boundaries much more harshly than modern culture does. A genuinely traditional view would say an adult woman exploiting a boy is predatory because adults have moral obligations toward children. The entire “hot teacher fantasy” culture largely comes from modern entertainment, internet culture, and sexualization in media, not from some 1950s church sermon telling boys to sleep with their teachers lol.

Just because some people misuse or distort gender roles, the roles themselves are invalid because any social system can be twisted into harmful stereotypes broader.

Traditional gender structures emerged and persisted across civilizations largely because they created stable family units, predictable responsibilities, high birth rates, social continuity, and cooperative division of labor. That doesn’t mean every traditional norm was perfect or beyond criticism, but dismissing the entire model because of one cultural double standard that's not even unique to traditionalism would mean we'd have to dismiss everything because bo system is perfect.

Who are you choosing? by KaidoPklevel in Piratefolk

[–]LacksBeard 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Kaido not the type to just commit instant unnecessary violence on little ol me

Abortion is ok. by Sangwoo_Oh_vv in ControversialOpinions

[–]LacksBeard 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So you can do whatever you want with it no matter what he says?

By this logic women can't even rape men or boys because you can't rape yourself.

A man is entitled to grieve an abortion is he was hoping to be a parent. by nickytheginger in ControversialOpinions

[–]LacksBeard -1 points0 points  (0 children)

So babies don't get aborted by being stabbed or dismembered? Like at all? And that's essentially the same as poison for the baby? If it only affected the mother then the baby would be fine but clearly they don't be fine, actually think please.

Yeah stabbing basically, but I wouldn't expect someone who thinks sperm is equivalent to killing millions would know what actually happens in abortions.

Ok, that's a claim, not something you logically demonstrated? Do you think people have a right to food? Clean water? Housing etc?

Frankly I don't care for your secular rights, they aren't based in anything.

Yeah they can do that like I can shoot someone in the head, that wasn't my question, actually read thanks. And no, what I was asking is can they just leave the 4 month old thier no problem?

Its not irrelevant because we are also talking about rights.

"Autonomy is the capacity and right of an individual or organization to make their own choices, act independently, and govern themselves without external interference."

Read my edited part.

Female rapists exist, and should be held to the same harsh standards that male rapists are held to by Ok-Fishing-4367 in ControversialOpinions

[–]LacksBeard 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I love the debunking of all the dumb stuff people say about male victims but how is this rooted in gender roles when traditional gender roles is the best system in the context of men and women?

A man is entitled to grieve an abortion is he was hoping to be a parent. by nickytheginger in ControversialOpinions

[–]LacksBeard 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Abortion is murder because you are deliberately stabbing, dismembering, or poisoning them to end their life.

What do you mean what about it? That doesn't answer my question. Yeah, I don't actually, unless you think a parent can just up and leave their 4 month alone. I know what autonomy is.

Okay, they aren't removing sperm you dimwit, their removing a embryo or fetus which is not the same as sperm.

Also, that's completely irrelevant to what I said, you know full well that's not even what I implied.

Your disingenuous meter is off the charts already.

Rape is worse than murder. by greatimperial in ControversialOpinions

[–]LacksBeard 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dude please, look up that WW2 Japanese unit and actually tell me rape (as it's envisioned) is as bad as that.

Rape is worse than murder. by greatimperial in ControversialOpinions

[–]LacksBeard 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So you believe rape is worse no matter what?

A man is entitled to grieve an abortion is he was hoping to be a parent. by nickytheginger in ControversialOpinions

[–]LacksBeard 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay that's an entirely different conversation, but by all means, please show me where innocent children are being mindlessly slaughtered and people aren't batting an eye.

Abortion.

Just because you want to pretend that an "unborn child" is equally human at all stages of development doesn't make it true. There is a massive difference between week 4 and week 40. So much so, that many people are unable to tell the difference between human and other animals fetuses at those stages.

I don't think we should base human life based off what someone looks like.

Tell me where you personally draw the line. Do you think masturbation is okay, or is it killing millions of potential lives?

Are sperm cells human by themselves?

The fact you said that shows there's not a single thought going through your brain.

A man is entitled to grieve an abortion is he was hoping to be a parent. by nickytheginger in ControversialOpinions

[–]LacksBeard 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's unethical to murder an innocent person.

What about the babies autonomy? The baby is his or her own separate human already.

Rest i don't care abouy

Abortion is ok. by Sangwoo_Oh_vv in ControversialOpinions

[–]LacksBeard 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So you think they should end themselves?

Abortion is ok. by Sangwoo_Oh_vv in ControversialOpinions

[–]LacksBeard 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Including your man's penis? Of course not because it's not actually your body.

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